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Jan  2w ago

My business partner who has many track records in SA owned 4 GTR's between 2011 and 2017 and the 458 In 2015. The latest 419kw GTR was the slowest by far because making it easier to live with (read softer) has made it much slower than the previous models.
All these cars, bar the MY16 GTR did lap times between 1:19,5 and 1:19,9 around Killareney race track in Cape Town where we live.
The 458 was slightly slower on standard rubber but a half second faster on Trofeo R doing a 1:19,1
But typically, the Japanese fabourite at Tsukuba comes out on top, albeit slower around every other track and every other publication and every other GTR produced.
For the record, at Killarney the R8 V10 also did a 1:19,5 and the only cars that ever went faster were McLarens, the MP4-12C, 570 and 650S.
Ken's lap in the Merc GT-R of 1:18,6 will be published soon, although that was done with a passenger.


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Fastedee  1m ago

This is academic as the NSX has gone nearly a second faster than this at Tsukuba.


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Taiwanno2  5m ago

it's a joke that both Japanese cars are using extrem tyres while the others are using P zeros

 

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FastestLaps  5m ago

And still... the NSX couldn't do s**t. Let's wait for NSX-R. I think they have good platform already, just need to make the hybrid powertrain more geared towards outright power.

Original Honda "non R" NSX wasn't exactly world-beater when it was launched in early 90s either.


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DrDuke  5m ago @FastestLaps

This time Honda don't has Ayrton Senna to assist them ;)

My personal bet is that the ford gt is the thing to beat in near future.


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saxy  5m ago @DrDuke

The last NSX was never an out right performance car. It was one that would start every morning (something Ferraris still can't do) and it was livable everyday and was cheap to maintain.

These parts are still valid. I'm the simplicity and light-weight factors are gone though


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BR2+  5m ago

Thas just an excuse.


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DrDuke  5m ago @saxy

http://magazine.evo.co.uk/2016/08/31/ff-ferrari-458-italia/pugpig_index.html

The 458’s maintenance records show that it’s nipping at Audi R8 V10s in terms of reliability


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cupra  1m ago @DrDuke

I agree 110% the new ford gt is what you need to see


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cosimo  1m ago @saxy

"The last NSX was never an out right performance car. It was one that would start every morning (something Ferraris still can't do) and it was livable everyday and was cheap to maintain."

yeah, no wonder there are some folks that have driven over 60k with their 458, f12, 599, ff etc.. on winters tires in rain and snow.. that's a really valid point you made there douchebag of the year.

now your excuse is to wait and see how will the type-rice perform, if it ends up sucking chink balls then you'll be back bashing the practicality of supercars from 30 years ago comparing it against a civic with the help of butthead2+ lol

the power of dreams, more like power of screams with lfa performance from 2001-2002 lolololol


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Murmur  1m ago @cosimo

LOL. The mighty butthurt of Ferrari hater saxy once again shows in his comments :'-D


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Fastedee  1m ago @FastestLaps

The 1:41 lap at Anglesey should be replaced with the NSX 1:39 time.


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cosimo  1m ago @Fastedee

still won't change the fact that it's an overpriced + overhyped slow pos honduh powered by refrigerator motor from haier, in order to cut cost they went for the chinese brand.

maybe that's why it's performance dwindles ? lol

https://i.imgflip.com/inrhj.jpg


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cosimo  1m ago @Murmur

don't worry about him he's just another proud super pendejo on fl that knows cars very well, such as a civic and accord that in his childish brain drives like a ferrari hypercar and remains the best bang for buck with super reliability and practicality


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Fastedee  1m ago @cosimo

Dwindles no. 1:39 was after 1:41 and on Stock tires in damp. It's quick as 430 Scuderia. The only U.S spec 458 appreciably quicker was the one Car and Driver compared with McLaren MP4 12c and 997 GT2 RS. That one dynoed 498 bhp at wheel. Other ones couldn't have been making much more than 450 at wheel with 0-125 of around 11-11.2. Ferrari probably thought fast enough for Americans These 458's tested by Road & Track and MT had the same 7 second 0-100. The trap speed was a little higher for the 458 but otherwise...Very similar lap times except for Top Gear where NSX is faster.488 costs a lot more and I bet the U.S. Spec.488 will only be slightly quicker past 100mph. About same as Ford GT. European version is a missle unless Russians driving it lol.


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Fastedee  1m ago @cosimo

Ferraris are better but the NSX again pushes the envelope. The F355 and Modena were faster than old NSX but less innovative and practical. Just because Ferrari is better doesn't keep a lad from being sporting and praising the NSX for what it is..a pretty good car.


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cosimo  1m ago @Fastedee

this talk would've been valid back in late 80s but not anymore.

honduh has a lot more to learn than just sell you a badge from an old model that now carries tons of nonsense weight and drives like sh*t with trofeo r tires lol

i feel bad for anyone who tries to varnish this and the lfailed becuase of some 8-bit/16-bit gizmos that came out of sega and sony warehouse.


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BR2+  5m ago

Between thw newest times, Or old times that need editing, Id say a good amount needs to be done, Theres thousands of cars here and its not easy correcting them, But even some stand out, And certain questionable laptimes of cars like the Huracan n Huayra, It's just MO but I don't think bikes should even be here, Like u said it basically just you that's adding them, Nobody really even chats about them, Hey its your site so I'll be here regardless, Even though I'm here eryday lol


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FastestLaps  5m ago

Watching this makes me miss BM even more... There are so many new cars that we never had the chance to see race each other on track, or even do Tsukuba time attack.


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Georg  5m ago

Why does no one add laptimes ? ****ing shit race bike laptimes added which no one cares about but car laptimes get ignored lately... fasteslaps lost its tracks... sorry to say that...

 

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FastestLaps  5m ago

Will add them today.


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Inline 6 rules  5m ago

Georg is right. This site needs more admins, who update and correct datas and add laptimes.


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cbase  5m ago @Inline 6 rules

Fastestlaps and fakekillerfour are audi/lambo fanboys they're either payed or they take the comparison way too seriously they cheery-pick what data to add not only that they add theoretical BS and ignore the need for creating some non popular tracks.. Comparing newly added cars with best data from older cars is a joke.


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BR2+  5m ago @Inline 6 rules

Ive been saying that for QUITE some time


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BR2+  5m ago

Its not like thats anything new.


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FastestLaps  5m ago @BR2+

Funny how ppl who used to add laptimes and cars but no longer do are now complaining that there are not enough people who add laptimes. Blows my mind!

Btw, there are more laptimes and FAR MORE acceleration and other types of data added now by me alone (and a bit by fake and tyler) than there used to be when everyone could add data. AND the data is FAR BETTER organised, with proper references, much less errors and no BS fake submissions. So I call total BS on this criticism. If you want me to subscribe to all car magazines and add even more data, my paypal e-mail address is riils @ yahoo.com. Send me million bucks and I will quit all my other engagements and focus only on adding performance data and laptimes.


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BR2+  5m ago @FastestLaps

The way the data is visually seen isn't the most visually friendly, Specially with estimates there too. So I wouldn't say it's far better organized. I would add more laptimes but I can't for some reason, For the most part it's not about the people who add them, Georg n me add the most by far, But I believe it's how there added that makes a big difference, And to be honest I kind wished anybody could add data, Although certain precautions should be put in place for randoms, And it doesn't really help if FL is the only one modding all the time.


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Inline 6 rules  5m ago @FastestLaps

This site has struggled correcting inaccurate and incorrect datas even when race cars and motorbikes weren't allowed and the acceleration datasheet was far less detailed. And then there were more active admins (like Georg). It is impossibele for only one person to do all the work.
- There are still many car pages where HP and PS or Nm and lbft mismatched or other datas are wrong.
- There are duplicates (many even marked as ''will be deleted", but they are still on this site).
- There are prototypes which never went to production yet still on this site.
- DeDe linked many acceleration numbers with scanned magazines for proof which aren't added yet.
- In the last few years the fact that the year of introduction and the model year are not same is ignored, many newer cars have the model year as the year of introduction.
Correcting all of that is a gigantic work.


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FastestLaps  5m ago @Inline 6 rules

There are many things to be done, some of which you havent mentioned like maintaining proper naming of cars - for example, when a Honda NSX Mk II came out, all previous NSXes had to be given the "Mk I" hint to make it easier to differentiate them. Same goes for model lines where internal chassis designation is used - for example, all audi A6es have to be given the "C5, C6, C7 etc" AND the "facelift" designation in addition to that, where there are mid-generational refreshes.

For some cars I can't even figure out how many mid-generation refreshes are there and which ones are refreshes and which ones are proper new generations. Maintaining this all is hard.

But the upside is that FastestLaps is designed to NOT have too many car pages, because each page represents a model range with multiple transmissions and "sub-trims".

Also, big positive in past two years (since the new data system) is that (almost) everything that is added is actually correct - there are virtually no fake or incorrect or reference-less data added in past two years. There used to be a lot of garbadge performance data and much of it, like Inline pointed out, is still not removed. But at least new garbadge data is coming in at a much slower rate then in past :D


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FastestLaps  5m ago @Inline 6 rules

As far as racecars and bikes - they are tiny minority (limited to F1, MotoGP and LMP1) and mostly added by myself, so they don't really contribute to the body of errors on this site.

But the body of errors is significant. I just have concentrated MORE on adding new data than correcting and deleting old errors. Doing so I am still improving the good vs bad data ratio, and, like I said, it's good to know that virtually all data added lately is solid and with proper references.


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Inline 6 rules  5m ago @FastestLaps

I've never said that race cars and bikes have errors, just pointed out that they require time so you have less time for road legal cars. In order to correct old garbage data more admins are needed.


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Inline 6 rules  5m ago @FastestLaps

What IT qualifications do someone need to be an admin?


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cbase  5m ago

Keep ignoring genuine posts with actual proof.. Look this is how they do it, if it's not shiny data for their brands and it's not coming from a popular magazine or show say like EVO motortrend or topgear it will be ignored cause they know other people won't call them out on it later.


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FastestLaps  5m ago @Inline 6 rules

Message me on the FB page and I will explain how adding laptimes and data works now. https://www.facebook.com/fastestlapscom/


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FastestLaps  5m ago @cbase

What proof am I ignoring? Surely, you're not talking about Honda Civic Nurburgring time lol


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cbase  5m ago @FastestLaps

no, were talking about non popular magazines and shows I've seen it time and time again

few quick examples last 2 posts here
http://fastestlaps.com/models/porsche-911-gt3-rs-991

juggz "hidden" post here
http://fastestlaps.com/models/porsche-911-turbo-s-991-facelift

yeah we don't need tracks like adm raceway we don't need french top gear track we don't need all of dede's scans how is he still not an admin? anyway I'm not gonna spend all day looking for old or hidden posts you get the memo I bet even this page would've gotten completely ignored if it wasn't for georg's complains.


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saxy  5m ago

Well, the GT3 RS still finished faster than any GTR

 

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BR2+  5m ago

...Now tell that to a GTR fanboy on Youtube...


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Fastedee  5m ago

Very true


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BR2+  5m ago

I wouldnt say destroyed, But Yeah i was thinking that too, I certainly dont trust Best Motoring, Or anything like the bunch at all, Like i know this is a small track, But its mostly other things. But either way i don trust them.

However, At the same time, The laptime difference is so small, .2s that i think it could actually be legit, It is the newer model, So on a smaller track it may even be faster then the old, Even on some its not, And on smaller technical tracks GTRs shine,(Doubt it but who knows) So normally id call Bs on certain things.

But at the same time the same thing could be said about the Turbo and its German counterparts....On another note the Nismo on the same day did a 1:01.533...Slower, But it was also battling on the same track and time the new Nsx.


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DeDe  5m ago

Is there a track elsewhere in the world, where a post-2016 GT-R (Nismo or stock) ever destroyed the 991 Turbo S? I don't think so. It only happens in Japan... :D

P.S.: Please no Nordschleife-bullshit-laptimes.


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benni275  5m ago

"(Nismo?)" - I would guess this is the GT-R track edition that was just released recently.


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BR2+  5m ago

No add laptimes


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Fastedee  5m ago

You would think it's a Nismo to beat those other cars.

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