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For those living under a rock, but still interested in motor racing, this is a public service announcement. Tomorrow big racing starts again - both Formula 1 and MotoGP kick off the 2017 season with Australian and Qatar motorcycle Grand Prix qualifying sessions.

Expect to see both F1 and MotoGP qualifying lap times here in Fastestlaps. For F1 this will be special year, because these cars, without doubt, are fastest Formula 1 cars ever built. Therefore expect new track records in all GP circuits of 2017 calendar!

2m ago by FastestLaps
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BR2+  2m ago

I never said they needed 10, That's a hypothetical number i threw out there giving your past, And again I never said one car was faster if they weren't driven on the same day same driver unless it's quite obvious like a miata vs M4, And no it wouldnt be a better indication of which one was faster if the same car keeps posting a faster lap.And there might be a same day same driver yet different result, But I'm not using that result nor have I, I'm using same day same driver result period, is it possible the outcome will be different with a different driver different day? He'll yes, But again I'm not using that. And the ZO6 only beat the 918 at VIR because it was a factory time That shouldn't even be mentioned nor have I even bought it up in any comparison.

And that's total bullshite that you seem to think Europeanso don't do same day same driver, Wtf do you think there comparison tests are a week apart with different drivers? There all SDSD, it doesn't give American cars any type of advantage , He'll there barely even in the same price range and manuals instead of DCTs, If anything I'd say there the disadvantaged.

And no you don't us factual data, When I was comparing the 488 to the ZO6 you used your own opinion, Saying they should only be tested on euro tracks, and saying it has more refinement n class by 1.5x , Saying it lopks better and feels better so it has to be better becayse you think that, And i said all thats as subjevtive as a color, etc, And that's a fact He'll check the page.

And every country is built on immigrants, I'm not even from the US, Which is quite ignorant and unbelievably arrogant n stupid to think where somebody is from simply by the cars they like, Utter trash.


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Fastedee  2m ago

If FL was stricter in the old days you wouldn't be here. The fact is maybe your right about a particular car. and I never said anywhere that one needed anywhere near 10 tracks but two would be good. The GT3 RS is a lot faster than the M4 GTS at Virginia but almost the same at the Saschenring. I have seen your arguments with many old members and would suggest you look in the mirror on that score sir along with a couple of others who cannot disagree without being utterly disagreeable.
Your often right and I recognize that but no one is always right. Hypothetically. some cars do 20 + laps. so it would be possible to be faster on a couple of same day same driver laps and still be sloeer on say 14 outta 20. The Z06 beat the 918 at Virginia but. was slower on many other laps. You may be right but same driver same car has many flaws as they may get a slower time than another fresh driver.
Europeans do not usually use same day same driver so that Automatically gives certain American laps more weight to you. I would not be surprisrd if the ACR was the fastest ever track car under 400k ever but why not use the scientific method and get more data?

Your belief that I should be banned is curious as my posts concern mostly factual data. with a little mild opinion and never once have I used foul language or called someone a name on here. I sincerely believed your buddy to be an immigrant as he made many errors in expression consistent with that assumption. There's no shame in that as our country was built on immigrants.I suppose there just might be a hazing mentality amongst you fellas.


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BR2+  2m ago

If one care beats another with the same driver on the same day on one track, And it beats it again on the other, Yea that's the faster car, There's really no debating it, and this is coming from you? A dude who believes which car is better by only using personal opinions?...I never once compared a factory lap to a magazine lap on different days then said one was faster. You don't need 10 European track tests to tell which is faster, Thas just a plain fact. And when you no the details of the GTR vs 918 or amy other compsrison you want to make, it can be plainly clear which car is faster, nd I've been on this site for a very long time, He'll I'm the oldest most active loyal user on this site who have dealt with many many people, trying to pull a fast one.

It wouldn't be too hard for someone to try to fool anyone here, FL is Way too lenient k nowadays, I have dealt with pepple sho dound different Pepple who have stolen other users nest and pics along with mannerisms, They always slip up, As did you, If it were a few years ago, You would have been banned, As to what has him changed? Beats me. I'm here to make and keep this site great, But I can only do so much, And others just want to ruin it, And others just got tired of the Bullshite, Why you think the old members aren't here anymore?..And again it's also entertainment too.


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Fastedee  2m ago

I have no intention of sneaking. You said one lap was sufficient for establishing speed when.one look at the 918 vs AMG GTR at the Nurburgring shows thats not true as do some of the absurdly slow laps at Goodwood and SPA. If you think a 430 scuderia is really faster than a.LaFerrari based on that one Spa lap you'd be wrong.
It is simply logical to build up a body of laps professionally driven before coming to rash conclusions about any two cars.
That said ,your enthusiasm causes many to give up pointing out your logical fallacies.
While the refined and sophisticated argument is used too lazily against American cars it occasionally is true.
In terms of many different users being one guy who knows?.. but it'd be very difficult to fool Fastestlaps the Latvian renaissance man.
For all I know Cosimo could be a South Korean Tifosi and you could be a very pro American Japanese Fisherman while I could be a Dutchman with a misplaced admiration for the Canadians who liberated me. It's the internet so who really knows behind these cool user names lol.
It's best to keep an open mind on any topic. Trying to win arguments by shouting or diaper jokes has become an internet cliche. Exciting times are ahead and as one poet said you're living in your golden years. Anyway gotta go practice with the Cruisers.


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BR2+  2m ago

Not once did I say American cars are better, Not a single time, I ALWAYS say that's as subjective as a color, Which is faster I will say, And that is fact, Don't put words in my mouth and make false claims yet again.

Your really not as sneaky as you think...


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Fastedee  2m ago

BR2+ What is needed is balance. There's some guy here who thinks American and almost all German cars are garbage. He also thinks Americans are fat and Stupid and Germans fat and sneaky. He also believes Italian cars are the best no matter what.
You think American cars are better when the evidence shows it but also when it doesn't. That's no more objective than the Eurosnobs who claim mistakenly that all American cars are cheap junk.
Another fellow lays Into English cars really heavily and since RB is located in Milton Keynes I couldn't think of a better reason than their location to get angry at even giving them a slim chance.
I prefer English cars but also know that they are (even McLaren lately) are a little behind in tech and dynamics.
Putting stock in YouTube videos over multiple tests by the best mags is not logical.


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Fastedee  2m ago

Chinese GP coming up woo hoo.!No, you only bet on a long shot if you believe it isn't truly one. They definitely are and I wouldn't bet a large sum on Ferrari or Mercedes either.
Pundits who are in the know think RB have a better chance than I do. Tag Heuer should improve on the narrowing gap but what about reliability? The Reneault engine is apparently closer in power and RB got 405 points with the same engine that got 8 with Reneault.
There is often an unanticipated innovation and the aero rule changes may yield another.
I am surprised a huge comany like Reneault supports their team so miserably. Red Bulls alternate Rosso team does better than them with Ferraris cast off old engines.

If I'm "so smarter"? It's "so much smarter". My mistake if you're not an immigrant. You could be a millennial as the teaching of proper English is in decline even in this greatest of nations. I defend this nation verbally and our space arm ,Group of Seven and insulin outweighs the Bricklin lol. Actually, it wasn't that bad for it's time.


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saxy  2m ago

My bad... I'll just let it go


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BR2+  2m ago

...You know who that is right?..


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saxy  2m ago

Lmao. My knowledge is nil? Compared to you who didn't even know that they had equal engines in the V8 era? Or that RB have a big engine disadvantage right now?

I said Williams didn't have the pedigree and I'm right. What happened 25-40 years ago has NOTHING to do with what's going to happen this year. All the personnel have changed, all the drivers have changed. a pedigree is about a lineage of work. Red Bull has "pedigree" because not only have they recently won championships, you know if you give them an equal engine they will be he favorites to win.

well if you think you are so smarter. How about I give you a proposition bet.
RB wins he championship I give you $1million. RB lose the championship you give me $10,000

See what I did? I give you a 100-1 odds and since you believe they have a 5% chance, you can't say no to my deal.

1: You are a disgrace to be called a Canadian.
2: I'm not an immigrant
3. Who are you to tell what I like? Why would I hate things that are English more than Italian? I've bad mouthed Ferrari more than any one on this forum.


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Fastedee  2m ago

This year focuses more on aerodynamics and even your boy Toto Wolff says the gap has narrowed power wise. Most likely your Germans or Italians will win but RB s unique design relies less on the rear wing for downforce(but I doubt you'd understand such things). No offense,but I hope we did the right thing letting you immigrate here ..eh. Well I hope you're an immigrant with that command of english. Your usual adversary is wrong ...you hate things that areEnglish much more than Italian.
You obviously have little respect for French engineering either.


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Fastedee  2m ago

Then you shouldn't post again. Many pundits feel they have good chance and your knowledge is nil. You said Williams had no pedigree. You could not possibly know whose chassis is best.


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saxy  2m ago

Oh god. Dude if you don't know anything don't open your mouth to argue. Engines of the V8 era were frozen for development so that they would be evenly matched. The Mercedes and Ferrari engines still have like 30-50hp advantage right now.

2010, all cars had equal engines essentially. You could develop your car through aero upgrades throughout the year and beat your opponents. It's 2017, if Renault knew how to make their engine as powerful as its competitors they would have by now since all token systems have been abandonned. Their engine is also less reliable. Just look at Daniel Riciardo. DNFs will definitely make you out of the championship. And besides, RB's chasis isn't even as good as Merc or Ferrari.

Where were you these past 3 years? Doesn't matter what RB do. If they don't have a competitive engine, they can't beat the top runners. They can win a race if the the Mercedes crash into each other. Or maybe Monaco.


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Fastedee  2m ago

Just relax and watch some Leipzig RB football lol.


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Fastedee  2m ago

Mercedes and Ferrari Engines were better 2010-13? Anyhow for what reason would their engine always be better? Red Bull may have too many obstacles this year but it's silly to write off a team entirely. Verstapen may be a prodigal once in a generation driver for all we know. Even if the engine were inferior there's many other factors such as chassis and drivers
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I'm sure many doubted Ferrari in 1997 and Red Bull in 2010. Vettel is great but we mustn't let a healthy respect for Germans become a belief in their invincibility which I suspect with Mercedes as well. Some of the Red Bull team are Austrian anyhow.

Ferrari are amazing but can become a bit conservative and resistant to change which explains a huge budget from 1984 to 1996 while finishing second every year.
Finally I only gave Red Bull 5% odds because of their recent dynasty, a pace in Australia considerably closer to 1st than 6th, and a young driver with an unknown upper potential.
Still I think Mercedes has the best chance and I think Ferrari should win after 7 straight by Red Bull and Mercedes. It'd be nice if Williams got a big sponsor but seems unlikely.


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FastestLaps  2m ago

Speaking of MotoGP, I think it will be another classic season. 2016 and 2015 were probably two of the best years in MotoGP history. This year there are also at least 3 teams (probably more like 4 because Suzuki are really good) challenging for manufacturers and rider's championship - Honda, Yamaha and Ducati.


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saxy  2m ago

What the hell are talking about, 214 215 mph pace?
Red Bull still can win a race. But they can't win a championship. Only Ferrari and Mercedes can. Fact.

All you are talking about is possible events where someone gets particularly lucky 1 time or twice. There are 20 races in a season. In a ball game, two teams of players could have more energy than the other. The game could go either way. The Mercedes and Ferrari engine will ALWAYS be better than the redbulls'. A better analogy is where a hockey team is short handed for an entire game and an entire season. You will still score goals but you're gonna always lose


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Fastedee  2m ago

Fastest laps wants Ferrari to do well but is cautious understandably.
Red Bull fans might call me out for giving them such a small chance when they were the only other team to win a race last year. They had a dynasty until three short years ago. Their very young driver set a 214+ mph pace. If Ricciardos car was good 215 was possible. Plus that drink gives you Wings! lol.
However, it seems very unlikely that both Ferrari and Mercedes will have significant mechanical and/or driver problems going forward even assuming Red Bull gets their cars sorted from next race on.
Everyone else would have to have the top teams quit to have a chance.
It's time for Ferrari to win for a while. The Yankees too after the Jays get a couple more first lol.
I think people would be more than laughing their butts off if you suggested the Boston Red Sox would be 2004 World Champions after a certain game 3.
My favourite improbable event was the eighth fastest speed skater in the world winning gold when everyone else wiped out lmao.


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cosimo  2m ago

And it has been too many times when Ferrari look promising at the start of season and disappoint later. Let's hope this year is better and we see red on podium regularly.

when you have ferrari haters such as a & b on fastestlaps, anything is possible with their bribing schemes.


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Fastedee  2m ago

Brawn has said many times that F1 should be made viable for the smaller teams. It's no insult to Ferrari but going back to Niki Lauda they'very needed help with engineering . They won briefly after Brawn left but that was a legacy effect like Edmonton winning one cup after Gretzky.
What is really significant is if within a few years the small teams will be able to win the odd race not just points.

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