115 488 Pista, Is it really worth it? (updated)

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The 488 Pista, the replacement for the 458 Speciale with additional 50 bhp, more aggressive design, and better aerodynamics - is it really worth it?

The 488 Pista is equipped with the most powerful V8 in Ferrari History, but sometimes you could just do better - an example is the Ferrari 488 Novitec N Largo. It is more expensive, but it's worth it - Novitec adds additional 111 horsepower, yup, you read it right, it's 61 bhp more than the 488 Pista, and let's be honest, the Novitec N Largo does look slightly better than the 488 Pista.

Yes, the Novitec is limited to 22 cars worldwide but this shows that we have the capacity to make a car better than the original, and that we don't need to wait for a better version of the car to come from the manufacturer.

Update

Final specs for the 488 Pista are out, and now we can do real comparison between it and the tuned rival from Novitec.

Power
Novitec N-Largo has 732 ps (722 bhp)
488 Pista has 720 ps (710 bhp)

Torque
488 Pista has 770 Nm (568 lb-ft)
Novitec N-Largo has 760 Nm (561 lb-ft)

Design
(This is my personal opinion)
Cleanliness of Design: **
**Pista
= 10
Novitec = 7
Agressivity of Design:
Pista = 8
Novitec = 9

Aerodynamics
Novitec has a bigger rear wing, however the 488 has the intake on the hood which adds a lot.

Conclusion
With this comparison i conclude that both of them have around the same performance, better design and aero with the pista, more horsepower and actually more weight for the Novitec.

Now i didn't want to say that Novitec is better than Ferrari, i just wanted to point out this small thing, but now with the real specs we can see that there is only 12 bhp difference which isn't much.

Ferrari is Ferrari, its the holy grail of racing, (pls americans, don't start hating on this) But we have to say that with the old specs it would've been a disappointment to have the official ferrari have 61 bhp less than a tuned car.

5m ago by B3tro
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alexalcaide  4m ago

488pista is faster than huracan :)

 

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BR2+  4m ago

Captain Obvious right here..



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n21t4  5m ago

I was working out the power to weight ratio of some cars. Came across the Ferrari 488 Pista. Obviously, Ferrari state it is 90kg lighter than the Ferrari 488 GTB, and I used curb weight, because no car can really race dry. Here is the awesome power to weight ratio:

488 Pista
RWD
Power:Weight
720cv:1385kg
1cv:1.92kg (1.92kg/cv)
0.51cv:1kg (0.51cv/kg)

I’ll compare it to other cars:

488 GTB
RWD
Power:Weight
670cv:1475kg
1cv:2.20kg (2.20kg/cv)
0.45cv:1kg (0.45cv/kg)

911 GT2 RS
RWD
Power:Weight
700cv:1470kg
1cv:2.10kg (2.10kg/cv)
0.47cv:1kg (0.47cv/kg)

675LT
RWD
Power:Weight
675cv:1328kg
1cv:1.96kg (1.96kg/cv)
0.50cv:1kg (0.50cv/kg)

F12tdf
RWD
Power:Weight
780cv:1520kg
1cv:1.94kg (1.94kg/cv)
0.51cv:1kg (0.51cv/kg)

But this is when I realised:

918 Spyder
AWD
Power:Weight
887cv:1704kg
1cv:1.92kg (1.92kg/cv)
0.52cv:1kg (0.52cv/kg)

The Ferrari 488 Pista has the same power to weight ratio as the Porsche 918 Spyder. That’s quite awesome. Obviously I’m aware the Porsche will still win in a straight line, as it has nearly double the torque, but the fact that McLaren and Ferrari are coming more and more into hypercar territory with their cars in a straight line is awesome.

It started in 2015, when both released the 675LT and F12tdf, which both have better power to weight ratio than two of Lamborghini’s hypercars, the Centenario and Veneno, and both would be quicker in a roll race. Now, the 720S and 488 Pista are entering deeper into the hypercar category. Even the 812 Superfast, having a better power to weight ratio than the Lamborghini hypercars.

To have a power to weight ratio of 2.1kg/cv or less kg per cv is awesome! Can’t wait to see the 488 Pista battle it out with the 720S on track.

 

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dddd  5m ago

Good work. I hope that 488 Pista will be great on tracks. If it wasnt faster on tracks than 720S it would be a disappointment. In straight line it doesnt stand a chance against the newest Mclaren (imo). Unless Ferrari started to underrate of power figures it would be slower in terms of acceleration. Pista needs at least 800 HP to be comparable to 720S in terms of straight line acceleration.


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B3tro  5m ago

Holy shit man!


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n21t4  5m ago @dddd

It’s definitely slower in a straight line against the 720S, the 720S has a power to weight ratio that is better than the 918 Spyder and 918 Spyder Weissach Package.

It has done 0-200km/h in 7.1 seconds, faster than the 918, but slower than the P1 and LaFerrari.

And in terms of track, I expect Ferrari to win. When it comes to the track, Ferrari don’t disappoint. The 458 Speciale beats the Huracán LP610-4 on track and straight. The 458 Speciale also beats the 650S on track, despite being much slower on the straights, and this is also one of the reasons I won’t doubt the 488 Pista against the 720S on track.

Even the 488 GTB does really well on track. It competes against the Huracán LP610-4 and 650S, and beats both on track easily.


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n21t4  5m ago @dddd

It’s definitely slower in a straight line against the 720S, the 720S has a power to weight ratio that is better than the 918 Spyder and 918 Spyder Weissach Package.

It has done 0-200km/h in 7.1 seconds, faster than the 918, but slower than the P1 and LaFerrari.

And in terms of track, I expect Ferrari to win. When it comes to the track, Ferrari don’t disappoint. The 458 Speciale beats the Huracán LP610-4 on track and straight. The 458 Speciale also beats the 650S on track, despite being much slower on the straights, and this is also one of the reasons I won’t doubt the 488 Pista against the 720S on track.

Even the 488 GTB does really well on track. It competes against the Huracán LP610-4 and 650S, and beats both on track easily.


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Tyrone1  5m ago

If the pista really turns out to have a curb weight of 1385kg ill be surprised.


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dddd  4m ago @Tyrone1

To be comparable in terms of performance level to 720S Pista will have to weigh around 1400 kgs and have at least 760-780 HP. I REALLY hope that Ferrari underrate power figure of 488 PISTA because this 720 PS is a poor number for that kind of supercar from Ferrari. On tracks it should be a beast because even 488 GTB is fantastic in these situations despite not being very quick in straight line.


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Chanante  4m ago @dddd

I dont understand you. What performance is poor numbers for 720ps? 7.6s is poor to make 200. And you belive the numbers of mclaren? You know the owners? Or you know if they had tuned his cars? Mmm


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Ferrariman  4m ago @Chanante

dddd is not understandable period


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dddd  4m ago @Chanante

I meant that 720 HP is not a great number for supercar like 488 Pista. It deservers to have 780-790 hp.

488 GTB is not very quick in straight line (at least it is not as quick as it is said) so i dont think Pista would be much faster in straight.


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BR2+  4m ago @dddd

Mate , You have lost your damned mind, yet again, every time they come out with a car your always, i repeat always dissapointed in something, it's in the 2s to 60mph, low 10s in the 1/4, and you still call it not very quick in the straights.

Not too mention 720bhp is plenty, a normal 488 produces between 700bhp and 730bhp in reality on a dyno, lowest I've seen was 682.4bhp, and a high of 729.8bhp for actual power, so this Pi sta prolly does produce what you want, there's literally nothing to complain about, I've literally waited 20 years for Ferrari to call a car the Pi sta, and the only thing I'm dussapointed is is that I can't afford one, I no a good doctor if your ever in the area.


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dddd  4m ago @BR2+

Maybe im always disappointed in their cars becasue competitors are always faster in straight line (488 is slower even than Mp4-12c, not saying about 650S). I m not even going to say anything about....F12 which is hardly any faster than 997 Turbo.

If customers and stock Pista did 0-200 km/h in mid 7s and 1/4 mile in less than 10,3s (trap speed above 225 km/h) it would be a good thing. We will see. And for Gods Sake better it will be faster around tracks than 720S and Performante...

Anyways its nice to talk with you again :)


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Fastedee  4m ago @BR2+

Exactly


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Fastedee  4m ago @dddd

You want to be disappointed. Every test or dragrace site that shows a Ferrari to be fast you ignore and focus on two bogus sites with that bald moron and Ruskie drunks. You aren't even correct in interpreting dragtimes videos and make them seem even more negative to Ferrari than they are. Ferrari claims 8.3 0-200 vs 8.4 for Autobild. Of course a German magazine is going to cheat to make an Italian car look good. The 488 has been tested many times and its slowest result was a 10.6 135 mph quarter. The slowest result for F12 was 11.3 131.7 quarter by Motor Trend. The car was 4004 lbs with US safety stuff. Motor Trend got 11.6 126 with 662 bhp 3800 lb GT500 also front engined rear drive. The AMG GT R and ZR1 came closest at 11.4 128 mph in their testing amongst front engine rear drive. You believe whoever gets a poor result in a Ferrari. If Sport Auto gets 8.1 0-200 in Pista you'll complain about an extremely fast result. I don't know if you're trying to be as annoying in a quiet stubborn way as Cosimo is in a loud way but it's a mystery in how you interpret things. Mp4-12c faster than 488? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! Only with the most sandbagged tool driving.


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dddd  4m ago @Fastedee

No im not trying to be annoying. I would like to see Ferrari cars on the top of the ladder of the supercars segment.


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n21t4  4m ago @dddd

“F12 hardly faster than a 997 Turbo”

https://youtu.be/tqaWvW1gmIk

The 488 GTB is quicker than the 12C. Since you seem so disappointed, the 488 GTB has done the 1/4 mile in 10.3 seconds at 137mph, which is the same as the 650S, and quicker than any Huracán and Aventador.


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BR2+  4m ago @dddd

It will be faster then damn near everything in both acceleration and round track, there's maybe 10 cars or less that even stand a chance against a Pi sta round a track, or will beat a performante, it's main rivals ate the GT2 Re, ZR1, and Senna, which all 3 are pretty much the fastest cars round track in the world. It won't beat a 720S in acceleration, as McLaren today are the biggest cheaters in terms of lying about there bhp. And it's more then acceleration, they don't have to be faster, but always keep up in every generation, few normal cars will keep up with a 911 turbo regardless of hp, it orettu much has the best launch in the world, where Ferrari GT cars focused more on cruising acceleration vs launch.

And yes, I haven't been on nearly as much for certain reasons


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WeAllLoveCars  4m ago @BR2+

BR2+ I agree with you on almost everything you had mentioned. The hardest part I find about track times though is that different cars perform better on different tracks. Car technology has become insane in the last few years and are a lot like cell phones in the way that every 6 months to a year the new models are far superior to the ones before. It will be very interesting the day a third party takes a Pista, Performante, GT2 RS and 720s on the track. The Senna will be quicker then all but I would put that in a category with the Mercedes Project One and Aston Martin Val. Chris Harris just took the 720s against the P1 and the time was .5 seconds slower (over a minute 55) for the 720s and I personally believe that the time was published like that on purpose to not to piss off P1 owners.


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Bob Putz  4m ago @WeAllLoveCars

I believe the GT2 RS will be the faster car around the track, while the 488 will be more of a show off car parked in front of Harrods and Night clubs.

By the way, what do you guys think of my dddd ? too bent or needs to be straightened out a bit ?

Your feedback means a lot to me, love you all xoxoxoxo

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Donghuan  4m ago @Bob Putz

Invites a LENGTHY Discussion.


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Aston Martin V12 Vantage S  3m ago @dddd

Ferrari overrated the specs of their car, while McLaren underrates. Just read how Ferrari spins by Chris Harris
I expect the 488 pista to have 50 hp less than they claim and dyno test reveal that 720s has 79x or more hp


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BR2+  3m ago @Aston Martin V12 Vantage S

Yeah no, they will play the same game


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saxy  3m ago @Aston Martin V12 Vantage S

Ferrari don’t overrate their power, they just underrate their weight. American models burden even more weight for safety standard upgrades, but they always find ways to claim the lowest weight possible, either dry, and with expensive lightening options and the removal of luxuries, which don’t actually represent the standard weight of the car.


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FastestLaps  5m ago

It is worth it, but not because of performance. It's because it's a Ferrari :)

 

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CheekyChaparral  5m ago

I wish Europeans would look at American cars the same way they look to a Ferrari.


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cosimo  5m ago @CheekyChaparral

how can europeans look at a fake supercar at 1/2 price with 1/2 the performance that can die on you in 1/2 a year ? lol

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-z06-discussion/3852261-engine-problems-with-my-6-month-old-z06.html

https://www.torquenews.com/106/engine-problems-plague-corvette-z06-motor-trend-test

never expect a murican recycled plastic matchbox to perform or last as much as a european supercar

in murica they do one thing right, they make a fool out of their own people by teaching people to raise the flag as every dumb alien citizen that believes he/she is actually an official murican (lol) to make them feel safe and brainwash them through tv networks so they stay fat and stupid forever with couple of shot-guns kept in their basement which ends up getting used on the wife, children or in schools. land of free lol

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/dylann-roof1.jpg


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B3tro  5m ago

I agree :D


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CheekyChaparral  5m ago @cosimo

Cosimo, I'm a new member but I've been seeing your comments and replies since ages, You hate 2 things, Porsche and "murica".
I won't argue about how Ford was involved in F1 and their beautiful relationship with cosworth incase you don't know, since everyone else knows that, I won't argue about can-am and indianapolis, but you can't simply deny that Amercian cars do gave souls like Ferraris, it's just the bore/stroke ratio and the crankshaft that makes the difference for you, So you can accept it as a cultural difference, the main reason was how America reacted to the changes that happened.
Reliability? Go buy a Toyota, it would be the best car according to you if it can hit +100k miles or something I guess.
I don't want to argue more, since I know you won't end this, I'm just trying to change 0.00001% of your ideas about American cars.


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xxSoulRaipahxx  5m ago @cosimo

What problem do you have with Americans? Sure, they've made some terrible things over the years, but saying that they can't compare to European cars is just absolutely stupid, as they very much can. The C6 ZR1 is bloody amazing, with one of the best V8's ever made.


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quattro  5m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

you should have stopped after saying that they've made some terrible things over the years...haha...americans can't compete with Europeans...period


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quattro  5m ago @cosimo

hahahaha...well said!


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JankeeDewdle  5m ago @quattro

Ah clam up Cosimo stooge and eat my macaroni. America is best


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MuricanzRstewpid  5m ago @JankeeDewdle

Shut up Murica lover


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Hotrod Lebowski  5m ago @MuricanzRstewpid

No you dude. American cars totally have the best bang for the buck


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xxSoulRaipahxx  5m ago @quattro

They bloody well can. Ever heard of the Cobalt SS? It was once the fastest front-drive car on the Nurburgring. How about the Cadillac CTS-V? Has 556bhp and completed the 'Ring under 8 minutes. Dodge Viper ACR Extreme Aero? Faster than a Gumpert Apollo S. The Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE? 2 seconds faster than the 997.2 911 GT2 RS. I don't know what got you thinking that they will lose against European cars, but you are seriously underestimating them.


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xxSoulRaipahxx  5m ago @Hotrod Lebowski

They are very good value. The Corvette is well cheaper than Porsche's of equal performance and they are very good.


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cosimo  5m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

"The Corvette is well cheaper than Porsche's of equal performance and they are very good"

i totally disagree, this good value talk and bang for the buck is the reason you're getting 1/2 performance with 1/2 everything else lol

there's not one pos chevy that can match the performance of por-shee and not go into limp mode or overheat lololololol por-shee might be a cheater but the motors are strong and uderrated as usual, the only thing you're getting out of the v8 motor is plenty of torque and an accident is about to occur or a tree gets killed because murican muscle, where's the fun in that ? the electronics still go back to 60's and 70's tech nothing has been updated, all they give you are few buttons to press and impress you that the car is now under control lol

talk about bang for the f******k quality hahahahahaha

http://www.corvetteonline.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/33/files/2011/02/Corvettecrash.jpg

murican history in racing didn't last much, 60's? 70's? do you people still cry over john lennons death too ? lol

nowadays in murica it is all about nascar and the badass mickey mouse track they drive on :)

you pay 1/2 price european supercars when you purchase the car and leave the showroom and the other 1/2 when it starts to fall apart and try to find replacement parts through 3rd party shops such as cool dude johnn hennessey :)


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Yankeedriva  5m ago @cosimo

Close your piehole. Americans are number one commie!!


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manone  5m ago @cosimo

"it starts to fall apart and try to find replacement parts through 3rd party shops such as cool dude johnn hennessey :)"

LOL!!!


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Eyetaliansupacar  5m ago @manone

Hear hear!


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xxSoulRaipahxx  5m ago @cosimo

What, because some drivers are imbeciles, all American cars are rubbish? Nothing is perfect, is it? And it appears I have to link you some videos.

https://youtu.be/7MPSr7ZWnYQ
https://youtu.be/wjj7fBkcQCE
https://youtu.be/r-Qb7W0OD4M

Needless to remind you, the Dodge Viper ACR lapped the 'Ring faster than the Porsche 911 GT3 RS, which appears to be $30k more. Half the performance, yeah right. And once again, the Mercedes-AMG GT R is also within the same price range as the 911, yet it's 9 seconds slower than the Viper around the 'Ring. Have you noticed that I'm not talking about quarter mile times yet? Hopefully you have. And crashed cars as an arguement is invalid, as that is up to the drivers themselves to be idiots or to preserve their cars. And it's not all about NASCAR. That's just part of the American culture. Also, have you heard of the Ford GT40? It beat Ferrari in Le Mans 4 times back in the '60's. As well as the new Ford GT beating Ferrari in the GTE-Pro class in 2016. I don't know where you got the idea of Americans only being good at NASCAR from. And nobody said John Hennessey is a reliable source for 3rd party replacement parts. In fact, I hate Hennessey for his business tactics. And what's the cheapest European car with decent performance? The Fiat 500 Abarth and Volkswagen Golf GTi? The Abarth costs $2k less than the Fiesta ST, but you're getting 40bhp less. The Golf? $4k more than the Fiesta. And I know Porsche is an amazing brand, it's just that Corvette's can give it a run for it's money. I am speechless over your unclear hatred over American cars.


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Corvettesummer  5m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

True man


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B3tro  5m ago @cosimo

american cars suck, its just how it is :D
The only thing that they made to the car community is hydraulic suspensions, and that's not even that useful :D


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xxSoulRaipahxx  5m ago @B3tro

Do I need to remind you of their countless wins in racing? Oh yeah, you could see it if you scroll up. They are not rubbish.


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cosimo  4m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

"Needless to remind you, the Dodge Viper ACR lapped the 'Ring faster than the Porsche 911 GT3 RS blablablablabla..fart...double-fart..murican indian curry fart........"

are you sane or are you hiding your mental disorder reports from us that was released from rusk state hospital ?

the 60s are long gone and forgotten when we speak of murica and its fugly cars, ford is better off working on diesel powered trucks and work on let's make murica clean again lololololol

here's an example of 60s timeless car that no pos ford can touch, not yesterday, tomorrow or in the future :)

https://www.supercars.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Screenshot-2016-05-16-15.39.33.png

if you want to compare a sh*tty c7 to a 911, then put it up against a 911 with 450hp, check below for more of your bs style when comparing murican 1/2 price cars to less powerful 911s :)

fit and finish of a 21st century chevy state of art quality lol

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4O1kLdP4PRg/VfIX1Ntd83I/AAAAAAAACb4/txbNeNeGJyA/s1600/shittypaint.jpg

a 650hp dodgy chrysler is definitely faster than 500hp with twice the torque and almost twice the engine displacement with bespoke tires and major upgrade to the $1500 aerokit to increase downforce which drives like shit on the streets, but you seem to forget that por-shee has something else in the same league that you're afraid to compare it to, because it will mop the floor all over the murican fake supercars within one lap lol

are you even f*cking serious comparing a cheap overhyped chevy z285346 asus motherboard that starts up with a diff oil to a gt3 rs ? lololol

you need to wake up before it's too late, just because it can run a few secs faster at laguna milkshake and some youtube wh*re who's trying to find more viewers it doesn't mean this car owns everything out there. it's just a cheap toys'r'us gimmick to impress some 300 million morons that aren't prepared to hear the truth about what exactly is chevy selling them at what price, they're selling you numbers on paper and a dyno sheet with untold stories about special rubbers that are tested with journalists to make murican cars great in magazine tests for once lol :)

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above is cosimo's photograph ^  4m ago @cosimo

You have serious psychological problems. Not that you care, because you have serious psychological problems. The rage. Unreal. Is this a photograph of you?


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Your dictator is here  4m ago @cosimo

Nice rant. Of course a ****ing GT3 (assuming 991) is better than 99.9999% of the driveable cars on the road. You didn't have to write a novel that makes no sense to prove it. You aren't going to change anyone's mind regardless of what country they are from.

I'll bite though on the country-calling game. South Korea?


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.....  4m ago @Your dictator is here

Your fellow friend xxSoulRaipahxx has a different opinion

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hozc3QP-kLw/maxresdefault.jpg


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xxSoulRaipahxx  4m ago @.....

I never said that I hate the 911 GT3. In fact, the pre-facelift 991 GT3 RS is one of my favourite Porsche's, and favourite cars of all time. It's a wonderful sensation to drive. However, I am ready to admit that it's not the fastest, especially when the GT2 RS exists. It's just the unfortunate truth.


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Hermann917  4m ago @cosimo

It is well you recognise the greatness of cars from the Fatherland but the Yankee is a close second to us mein klein dummkopf. Italian cars like tanks are very much inferior to American automobiles. You inept fools could not even defeat the Greeks!!! Lol A GT40 would annihilate that pretty piece of 1960's Italian tin pouffen. A GT would do the same to 488 and ZL1 is hearty workhorse of track. ZO6 is a little delicate ja.


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xxSoulRaipahxx  4m ago @cosimo

So your way of arguments is to call other people mentally retarded? I am genuinely sad for you incapability for coming up with a proper argument. About the reliability, fit and finish, whatever, do I have to remind you of Alfa Romeo? They have terrible build quality but their cars have the most soul of any other car. And does 20 grand seem like "the same league" to you? It surely doesn't to me. It was you who wanted to argue about performance, and now you ridicule me for it? It's depressing how you can't fight back without resolving to personal slander and saying others are mentally retarded. As you said, the times have changed, and America has since made great cars, better than ever before. The 60's, what did it consist of? NASCAR and drag racing? I haven't talked about neither, even with the Dodge Demon setting the world record for the quarter mile time. And why do you resort to saying that they are cheaters? How do you know they are cheating? As I said, I am genuinely dumbfounded as to someone can dislike American cars to the point of comparing them to literal toys. Neither am I saying that American cars are the best, as you won't find any of them in my top 5 favourite cars. And no, the Z/28 is not overhyped. It's a pure pony car with massive performance, and that's undeniable.

And indeed, the Ford GT40 has won against Ferrari. It's the truth, and you cannot deny it, no matter how much you try to. It won Le Mans four times. That's all. And it is also very much a classic.

SiDmHM

Again, I was never denying that Ferrari is an amazing brand. I was only saying that Ford is very capable. Do not ever underestimate it. The Mustang GT350R is a pure driving machine. The Fiesta ST is also a very quick hatchback. And anyway, leaving from Ford, you have to remember Chrysler once owned Lamborghini and helped develop the Diablo. And the Buick Regal GNX? Faster than a Ferrari F40. The only car faster than the GNX is the Countach.

And now you shall go on about the reliabilty issues with American cars. And you shall. Yes, I admit they are not reliable, but does that make them any worse? Slightly, but not in terms of fun.


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xxSoulRaipahxx  4m ago @Hermann917

Oh, come on. Italian cars are equally as good as American cars. Some may be better, some may be worse. Please, do not resort to slandering of their country or whatever. Use factual points instead.


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Coulthardwdc2nd  4m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

You Yanks make some pretty good pieces of kit what!!


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xxSoulRaipahxx  4m ago @Coulthardwdc2nd

... what


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Fastedee  4m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

Yeah even the Aussies have their good points despite making sure the KIA Stinger beats a new Mustang GT in a drag race. Sandbag anyone?


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Fastedee  4m ago @Coulthardwdc2nd

A fan of the Jaw...who was second in WDC lol.


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Fastedee  4m ago @B3tro

American cars are a close third to British and Italian cars in my view.


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Fastedee  4m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

Including the latest Ford GT!


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Fastedee  4m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

Corvettes are awesome but ZL1s seem to be better able to run a huge number of laps.


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Fastedee  4m ago @Hermann917

917 is an awesome car even if your attitude is a bit arch Indiana Jones Villain lmao.


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Fastedee  4m ago @cosimo

Porsche and the American car companies make great vehicles. There is a minority of recent ZO6 owners with heating issues but what an amazing car! The ACR was harsh but much cheaper than GT2RS. The ZL1 is very popular at those multi car comparison track tests. Ford GT is one of few cars that rival British and Italian sporting cars for looks. A few cars beat it for a lap but not 100 laps. The Mustangs are high revving and sound good with strong performance. GT500 and Demon will rival much more expensive cars in acceleration. New ZR1 will outlap every car except Pista,Senna and Valkyrie. I can only hope new Vantage is within shouting distance of Corvette Grand Sport at the track.


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Fastedee  4m ago @JankeeDewdle

Careful. He just might eat
..your Macaroni! Lmao


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cosimo  4m ago @Fastedee

''I never said that I hate the 911 GT3. In fact, the pre-facelift 991 GT3 RS is one of my favourite Porsche's, and favourite cars of all time. It's a wonderful sensation to drive. However, I am ready to admit that it's not the fastest, especially when the GT2 RS exists. It's just the unfortunate truth."

oh really ? then why did you dismiss the gt2 rs when you were comparing it to your old yankee tech chevy ride and dodgy chrysler with a cheap kit ? lol. it must've been the night pill that made you confuse the gt3 rs with a gt2 rs hahahahahaha

keep up the sht talkin and twisting every word you spouted, it flows in every fanboys blood on fl. we've seen it happen over and over again with the help of a little canuck bstard chrysler fanboy with two faces.

and what does a mr magoo ride..... gnx ? has to do with ferrari ? are they in the same league ? or are you some kind of a retard who looks up a fastest 1/4 mile time for a murican crap to compare to a ferrari ? lolololol

i'd say the mr magoo ride has a successor which is the ford gt, they both have traction, quality issues and engine overheating and only the fanboys with the latest ps4/xbox games on fl are able to deny these hard facts :)

with murican new ride, it's just like the old times with different buttons and interior lights to give you a 21st century look with a 19th century structure, what's that saying again ? if it ain't broke, don't fix it and that applies on every murican pos car ever manufactured hence: chevy, ford, chrysler, disney land, hooters, taco bell.......

if chevy wants to play with the big boys, they need to start from scratch by disassembling a toyota corolla and understand why that car can tick for over 400,000 miles vs any chevy built today or yesterday and breaks down before your first oil change :)

and now with the harsh reviews and fake owners that pretend to know about chevy and its surreal 1/2 performance before hitting the eject button lol

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/chevy-corvette.html


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cosimo  4m ago @cosimo

did you guys know that chevy came up with a last minute solution to prevent going into 7th gear by mistake during for the german magazine super test ? i mean a big sh*tty company comes up with cheap solutions such as this ? is chevy actually derived from the word sheep or sheeiitt ? lol

https://i.imgur.com/iScwvRc.jpg

the fake 7:14min run was with more power and upgraded sparco bucket seats + rollcage that some never heard of or seen before on chevys official site lol

and the bungholio moron brings up a magoo ride into a ferrari topic lolololololol


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cosimo  4m ago @Fastedee

"Porsche and the American car companies make great vehicles."

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/D41T9Akygis/maxresdefault.jpg

corolla still beats chevy from 0 - 1,000 + 10,000 + 100,000 miles without having to replace the whole drivetrain, it may be slower but in the end, it's the true winner when speaking of bang for the buck lol


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Al Sharpton  4m ago @cosimo

American cars ride like a diildo

How do I know ? Cause I own a Mustang and Vibrator


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xxSoulRaipahxx  4m ago @cosimo

The reason I didn't bring up the GT2 RS during my previous arguments is due the car being priced at $294,950, and the Camaro ZL1 1LE is priced at $69,995. You don't have to be a Mathematical genius to find out that its $154,995, over $140k cheaper than the Porsche. And all these things about reliability, how a Corolla is better than the Corvette and Viper? Truth is, it's not. So what if the cars aren't reliable? They are not meant to do a million miles. And you could easily do that in a Pontiac Grand Prix anyway, as they could run over 100k miles easily. They are meant to put a smile on the driver's face, whether it's on track or on public roads. Japan has the GT86, America? The Mustang. The pre-facelift Mustang GT with the 5.0l Coyote V8 is around the same price as the 2017 Toyota GT86. Some are even cheaper. Also, the Corolla could have an engine problem in which it uses too much oil. And the Mustang's? At most, it's the rough idle due to a cracked pipe. Google it. It's true.

What is up with this half performance rubbish? What got you to think that they are rubbish? None of your arguments actually make sense to me, and yet you keep on saying that I am a fanboy. And does a car have to be complicated to be good? No. Look at the older BMW M3's and M5's, especially the E30 M3. It is an amazing track and drift car, and how did the engine come to be? By cutting off two cylinders from the BMW M1's engine. I do admit, however, that I contradicted what I initially said about not using the quarter mile times, and yet I did with the GNX. I would like to take that back. But that still doesn't steer off my other arguments.

How depressing it is that all of your arguments are saying that I'm spewing rubbish (even though it's all true). And of course, attacking others by calling them names.

I don't have anything else to say about how uninformed you are. I just wish that the FastestLaps community determines who speaks the truth.


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xxSoulRaipahxx  4m ago @cosimo

Where's the proof of Chevrolet blocking 7th gear during a German test? And where's the proof in which they added more power and bucket seats in the 1LE Nurburgring run? And no, GNX is not a "magoo ride". It's a cultural icon.


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cosimo  4m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

if price is your main concern then pack up and leave this thread asap before i run over you with a yankee tractor. you're such a lame noob that runs out of excuses then switches back to the bang for the buck topic lol. do you still not get it when i say murican 1/2 arse performance chevy ? or are you contradicting yourself ? the price ? hello ? lol

why not stick with corolla or gt86 msrp ? that should make your beloved chevy shine in every way possible, but oh sh*t! the price difference is what we've been discussing all this time. my god, you're such a douche that needs a smack behind the head with an iron glove from medieval days and an uppercut between the balls teraing it apart going straight for your jaws breaking it and smash that rusty mouth of yours.

"So what if the cars aren't reliable?"

this takes us back to your first stupid post

"What problem do you have with Americans?"

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a5/ad/00/a5ad003022ae558749dc12ca3dfeed7d.jpg

so you want everyone to burn over 100k on an unreliable pos and have nothing to worry about ? and you blame me for thinking you're some kind of a stupid dumbfck or a retard that spouts nonstop warthog sht ? lol

if you're willing to be my recovery guy and haul my chevy for free, sure why not lol

you're a a natural lamebrain that hasn't seen any proper tests of murican cars in eu and other parts of the world to understand what kind of junk they're trying to sell outside the land of freedom. no wonder why sales are always like sh*t and hardly anyone even bothers to buy one or even think of them as collectors. unless you want to fire up the engine every day doing morning chores at 6am starting with the garden cleaning lol

this applies on every single junk ever made from $13k all the way up to the 130k fake supercar that goes up to a million in auction or some bs charity lolololol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zmxtATjMGI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmsorCj-Ls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YonHWkoxbUo


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cosimo  4m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

"Where's the proof of Chevrolet blocking 7th gear during a German test? And where's the proof in which they added more power and bucket seats in the 1LE Nurburgring run? And no, GNX is not a "magoo ride". It's a cultural icon."

like i said, you're a first class halfwit idiotica that hasn't seen any of those tests i mentioned, you need to do your own research before spouting more bs, saxy isn't always around to do the cleaning here for you.

trust me, it has happened and the tests were out last year with a dyno before and after. but whom am i trying to convince ? a chevy boy at heart.


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Fastedee  4m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

Mustang grinds GT86 bones to make its bread.GT86 performs like 1985 Mustang GT. I'm as big an Italian car fan as they come but there should always be some objectivity and reason behind comments.


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xxSoulRaipahxx  4m ago @cosimo

Can you not provide a proper argument for once? All you did was say that I'm stupid and should leave. And I've done my research, and haven't found them. I would be very grateful if you provided your claims. And the first video you sent? Just look at the thumbnail. The person has never driven one, yet they think they break down easily. Clarkson? Even though I love Top Gear, I strongly disagree with Clarkson there, and agree with Hammond.

And oh, I wonder why they sell horribly in Europe? Oh yeah, Opel and Vauxhall exists. They are still owned by General Motors, your nemesis. And American cars have been proven to be amazing a damn lot of times, even by European critics. Chris Harris said it. Autocar said it. Carwow said it. Even Top Gear said it. Terrible? I don't think so. Unreliable? To a certain degree. All cars are unreliable if the owner doesn't take good care of it. And I do not wish for people to spend $100k for a car on my opinion. That's theirs. They should not let my opinion affect theirs. And obviously price isn't my main concern, but it is still a factor for purchasing a car.

You're calling me a douche? Says the person who only stands on the offensive by attacking people by made-up stereotypes? Not giving a chance for cars to prove themselves? Right. Makes sense.


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Fastedee  4m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

Autobild did a very positive review of the Hellcat,350R and ZL1 earlier this year. They liked the Camaro and Ford best but didn't even mind the Hellcat. Cosimo has a schtick he loves.


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Geoff B  4m ago @cosimo

Are you freaking kidding me? This is car post. Why don't you go troll the NRA website you insulting POS.


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cosimo  4m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

"And I've done my research, and haven't found them."

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

no you did not you dumbarse douchebag, stop lying you lousy butthead. this proves me to that you're a first class dimwit fraud who has no clue what he's talking about, oh and the lies and childish stories you come up with to make up for your stupid posts lol

do us all a favor and stop posting more horsesh*t with your fake research lololol

meanwhile in michigan......murican made :)

http://wibx950.com/ram-pickups-recalled-to-fix-rusting-fuel-tank-strap/


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xxSoulRaipahxx  4m ago @cosimo

You're calling me lousy and a liar when you're providing links to a website that nobody has ever heard of? Right. Meanwhile, the "lies" are actual facts that can be found with a simple search, not by digging through the depths of the Internet and finding some obscure website from a radio. And it's not like other companies don't recall their cars as well. Ferrari recalled their 458's due to a chance of catching of fire, as I'm sure you'll know. And who would I be doing a favour to if I stop posting "horsesh*t"? I can't think of anyone.


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Monolith29  4m ago @quattro

true to a degree, americans/canadians have made quite a few really nice and well made cars. if you'd like me to list some of the best ones ill have to do it tomorrow when i have more time. but 2 cars i just love the htt locus plethore lc750 and ssc tuatara well i could make a decent list... but yes in general europeans make better vehicles


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Monolith29  4m ago @cosimo

ford dominated racing in the 60's... to the point that ferrari complained about the gt40 being too fast and thus no fair or fun. this is just the 60's though, i just wish they made the new ford gt in the same range as the pista in terms of power and performance for its price


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BLKtop Jedi008   4m ago @cosimo

Cosmo,
Apparently , You are unfamiliar with the Fact, that Ford/the Ford GT, slaughtered Ferrari and Porsche , 4 years in a row at LeMans. That Ford totally rebuilt Jaguar and gave them, Reliability. Now, with that out of the way, You should check out Chevy, C6R / C7R, racing team record over the past 8 - 10 yrs. Not to mention all the records that the C4 ZR-1 Corvette Set records that still exist !!!
Give me a C4 ZR-1 or a C7 Grandsport and I will make You run your 6 figure machine in the ground, trying to get away, from American Muscle. This does not include my E550 Twin Turbo Coupe, I have smoked more rides then I can remember, except C7 Z06!!! ????


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Fastedee  4m ago @BLKtop Jedi008

He is only familiar with the notion that Angela Merkel and fat Americans are responsible for Ferrari and Alfa Romeo not getting their due. Throw in goofy pics and that's his schtick


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xxSoulRaipahxx  4m ago @Monolith29

I apologise for saying this, but I don't think the SSC Tuatara will ever make it into production.


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Monolith29  4m ago @xxSoulRaipahxx

you might be right, im just hoping SSC isnt going bankrupt or they're in the middle of being bought out. but i do honestly believe they're waiting to release it, might be that they're waiting for the venom f5 to come out first.... with obscure good companies you can never really be sure. i just like SSC as a whole, they've only made great cars


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xxSoulRaipahxx  4m ago @Monolith29

I am still sceptical whether the car will come out even after the Venom F5 has, but I agree that the Ultimate Aero is a damn good car.


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DrDuke  5m ago

In times of natural aspirated V8 Ferraris the special versions had between 20-30hp more than the normal. The weight difference was around 90kg too. The Pista has 120hp more and the same weight compared to the Speciale. The 488 successor will have more hp than the Pista and it will be released next year. Since we have turbo engines everywhere the power creep is strong.

Let's see how the new trinity compete. The 720, GT2RS and Pista are pretty close on paper. This will show us how good the different car concepts are.

 

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CheekyChaparral  5m ago

Mclaren, porsche and Ferrari, back at it again with the holy trinity thing.


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B3tro  5m ago @CheekyChaparral

its like patek phillipe, audemars piguet and vacheron constantin with the watches :D


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dddd  5m ago

But to be honest numbers of Pista are disappointing (at least on paper). Only 50 hp more and only pathetic 90 kgs less than regular 488 GTB which is pretty comfortable and luxurious for a supersport car. 150 kgs less would be great but 90 kgs is almost nothing in my book if 488 Pista is hardcore and less comfortable/luxurious version of GTB.

 

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777Balt  5m ago

Pista (if Ferrari doesn't lie) does 100-200 km/h in 4.65 seconds. That's insanely impressive and it will be second best handling Ferrari model at the very worst (might be even better than LaFerrari).


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dddd  5m ago @777Balt

100-200 in 4,6s is an incredible number but i will believe in this number only when i see the confirmation on v-box and ofcourse only in case of a customer car.


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Fastedee  5m ago @dddd

A customer got a 5.1 0-60 in a 720s so relying on the customer is an idea that should be abandoned. Rwd cars will always be at a disadvantage with amateurs. If Ferrari can make a 700 ps car for Sports Auto there's no reason they can't do the same for customers. They make F1 engines with ridiculous specific output after all.


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dddd  5m ago @Fastedee

Im fully aware that Ferrari can make supercar that easily can compete with 720S in terms of performance but somehow they dont play hard. Why ? I dont rly know why...Maybe they think that these cars are already too fast ? Maybe they are right ? But i dont think that this is the case. Ferrari must come up with something that will give them the show again ! The thing is that now Mclaren has the SHOW in its hand.


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Dude101  5m ago @dddd

I love Ferrari however I don't think they're very competitive. I still think the 720s will whoop it in a straight line. The 488 in my opinion was a disappointment. They've raced it and it hasn't performed as well as a standard Huracan with 60bhp less. This Pista needs to show itself with a bang


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dddd  5m ago @Dude101

Nowadays Ferrari cars are in general astonishing (458, Speciale, F12, Gtc4 Lusso, 812 and 488) in practically every aspect (reliabilty, quality, handling, steering, high-tech solutions, drivetrain, look etc) but peformance...In terms of performance only 458 was really great in its prime-time (2009-2012). F12, 812 and 488 are below expectations and they perform on lower level than they are said...Especially F12 is a huge disappointment in terms of performance...Why ? because it was said to do 0-200 km/h in a whooping 8,5s while from what i have seen it has serious problems to do that in less than 11s even on dragstrips which is hilarious.


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Fastedee  5m ago @Dude101

It beats the Huracan with similar drivers above 70 mph. AWD will always win from stoplight with equal drivers.


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Fastedee  5m ago @dddd

Even the slugs at Dragtimes admitted the F12 did a 10.8 132 quarter. Bay Area Racing and GTBoard on Youtube have many videos where the 458 Speciale, F12, 812 and 488 win many races. Adam C3046 also has a close race between an F12 and McLaren MP4 12c. SHmee150 has a video where a Zonda S gets annihilated by an F12. Autocar did a dragrace in the damp where an F12 crushes a 991 Turbo S despite the disadvantage of a front engine and rwd. Dragtimes Info are Ruskie incompetent trash.


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n21t4  5m ago

Why is it disappointing? The 458 Speciale was only powerful by 35hp and lighter by 90kg, and it did really well.

The 675LT only gets a 25hp increase from the 650S, and weighs 100kg less, so the difference in power to weight ratio is smaller. But then look at the lap times. On here, I can see tracks where the 675LT even manages to win by over 2 seconds, which is a lot. So do not underestimate the Pista..


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n21t4  5m ago @Dude101

I don’t think that was a real race with a good driver. I’ve seen the more powerful and lighter car (488) reel in the Huracán.


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n21t4  5m ago @Dude101

I don’t think that was a real race with a good driver. I’ve seen the more powerful and lighter car (488) reel in the Huracán.


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n21t4  5m ago @Dude101

I don’t think that was a real race with a good driver. I’ve seen the more powerful and lighter car (488) reel in the Huracán.


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n21t4  5m ago @Dude101

I don’t think that was a real race with a good driver. I’ve seen the more powerful and lighter car (488) reel in the Huracán.


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n21t4  5m ago @Dude101

I don’t think that was a real race with a good driver. I’ve seen the more powerful and lighter car (488) reel in the Huracán.


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n21t4  5m ago @Dude101

I don’t think that was a real race with a good driver. I’ve seen the more powerful and lighter car (488) reel in the Huracán.


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dddd  5m ago

If we talk about performance im afraid that Pista wont be even on 720S level. From the other side it will be propably more fun to drive and much better sounding supercar. It comes down to personal taste what car you like more.


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C6Fever  5m ago

I like Ferrari more than McLaren BUT tbh, McLaren SLAYS!! Ferrari guys are going crazy haha. They don't know what to do anymore. Whatever they come up with can't compete with McLarens haha McLaren needs to work on design and sound tho.


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B3tro  5m ago

I wanted to add that even though it is better than the original 488, it still does not compare to a 720s.


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manone  5m ago

there are big technological gaps in this text. In is pretty much obvious to get approx 20% more power from a reliable stock turbocharged engine, thus no surprise about novitec's figure, not sure about reliability under long term engine stress.
Ferrari, in its special series, usually showcase more advanced technology and do not necessarily chase maximum possible performance, at any cost. 488 pista engine apparently has been substantially upgraded, but not with the purpose of extracting
the highest power, but to introduce more racy components.

 

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B3tro  5m ago

i agree with your first point, however we still do not know the exact specs of the Pista, we will need to wait until 6pm to see it.


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dddd  5m ago

488 Pista will be an important car for a Ferrari brand. If it wasnt a damn good car it would be a large disappointment.

And honestly i would be surprised if it had "only" 720 HP for real...I hope that dynos show that engine of Pista makes around 5 % more.

From the other side many people say that these modern supercars (650S, 720S, 675 LT, 488 GTB ) are already too fast in straight line...Ofcourse it is a problem of rich people :) but i could agree with that statement and that is why cars like F12 Berlinetta, 458 Italia's, 991 GT3, Gt3 RS etc are still the best supercars for many supercars enthusiasts...They arent good in drag races but they have N/A engines with incredible sound, instant throttle response , great handling etc Many people dont really need 0-200 km/h in 7s. 10-11 s is enough for street car.

 

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manone  5m ago

"I hope that dynos show that engine of Pista makes around 5 % more"

5% is usually considered the typical power's margin of tolerance in
engine production, thus that would be absolutely normal.


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B3tro  5m ago

I don't understand your point


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goma76  5m ago

Perhaps isn't only a question of look and horsepower...
What about: less weight, more downforce, best electronic, ecc.
At the end the Novi one hasn't a clean look as the Pista , personal opinion.

 

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B3tro  5m ago

Yes maybe, but when i look to find a fast car, i look at the looks and the horsepower. Your point might be right, however we will need to wait for tommorow to see the full specs of the pista. I will make an updated comparison when i have the time.

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