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sroser  6m ago

Or, it was just driven closer to the limit.


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saxy  6m ago

Wow the GT3 RS must be amazing then... faster than the P1, and so is the 918.


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sroser  6m ago

Thermal Long.


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BR2+  6m ago

What 918 lap are you talking about?


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sroser  6m ago

I don't know how good the GT3 RS driver in question was, but clearly it shouldn't have been faster than either the P1 or the 918.

99.99% of the time, unedited lap videos are the best form of evidence, especially if they have telemetry. I just lucked out and found the 0.01% that isn't. An edited lap video however, is even worse still, because once you start slicing video together, you can achieve anything you want.

At least with a start to finish video, you can see which car put in the fastest time. With an edited video, you can make any car win, or edit in things that happened at a different time altogether.

On this matter however, even the driver at Thermal said the test wasn't ran seriously.


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saxy  6m ago

Gosh, can't believe the P1 driven by a decent driver would be slower than a random amateur driving a GT3 RS. Crazy

Remember your amazing P1 lap from the go-pro? Yes everything on the internet must be true. Especially video footage right? Lol.


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sroser  6m ago

Good Gamer - The point is that the person driving it makes a difference. Much like your 458 CE lap, it isn't the fastest that can be run by that car at Fuji.

A stock GT3 RS at a Porsche owners's event also went faster than 2:10, it was mentioned at fchat and even the person who drove the 918, ACR and P1 laps said they weren't anything like serious laps.

BR2 - Hoosier R7s do not given you >12s, and track realignment on a GT3 doesn't net you 12s either. Besides that, there is a precedent for including modified times, as modified times. And being technical, the 918 wasn't stock either, because Trofeo Rs are not OEM tyres or options for the 918.


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BR2+  6m ago

The fact is, It's not stock, It migot be largely stock, But it's not stock anymore plain n simple


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Good gamer  6m ago

And also you said Cayman GT4 did the time with amateur so you cannot complain me about choosing amatuer for 458 challenge video but nonetheless if I found a faster lap time I would have posted it here,I don't try to find slowest times to win my arguement.

And even 2009 GT4 cars are 8s faster than 991 GT3 at algarve,there is no way that Cayman Gt4 can come close to it when it is 2-3s slower on each track.


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Good gamer  6m ago

@Denn700
Okay the car being GMG tyned GT4 could explain it being as fast as GT4 clubsport.Thanks for the video.
@sroser
I didn't tell that it was clubsports but only said that a stock GT4 cannot be within 3-5s from its GT4 racing counterpart.And I have been to many trackday events so I know that most drivers use slicks in the event.

And the fuji lap you showed was faster than 675LT time which looks suspicious as it is only 7s slower than GT3 racecar.Also if I remember we used to agree with eachother in previous posts but now what you are showing is not much agreeable.


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sroser  6m ago

good gamer - The yellow GT4 is a largely stock car on Hoosier R7s, not a Clubsport.

So 3s down on a 90s track is about 5s down on a 2:10 lap. You also fail to mention that there was traffic on this lap and he was 2up with his instructor. I have also shown you a video of another skilled amateur running a 458 Chal Evo around Fuji slower than someone 2up in an LT. So depending on the driver, it can happen. You need to review the best times, not the worst times.

http://fastestlaps.com/tests/sk8b3ctnbchl
Not a full lap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B3lKQRxZws

Even the driver who ran Hyper 5 and 918vACRvP1 said they weren't serious flat-out tests.


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Denn700  6m ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt_bhZxQ6zY
Here it is against a GT3.


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Denn700  6m ago

I have seen another video of this car. I think it is the GMG Cayman GT4 witch has slicks,exhaust,headers,rollcage,GT3 Throttle Body and Cobb Tuner.You can do search for this car. It is basically the same as a Fabspeed GT450 (no cats) or GT420 (cats) package. I have the GT420 package on my GT4 and I have no problem keeping up with GT3's on most tracks. If you add more hp and slicks this car wouldn't be to far off the GT4 Clubsport. Remember the road car is only 100 pounds heavier.


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good gamer  6m ago

@sroser
Just for your information Cayman GT4 clubsport is a GT4 racing car
http://gt4series.com/cars/
And even a 2009 GT4 car is faster than 991 GT3 whether it is a race or it is a qualifier.2015 GT4 should be even faster.So there is no way stock 991 GT3 will come 1-3s within a GT4 racecar.
http://www.racingsportscars.com/race/Algarve-2009-09-13h.html
And the video I posted of 458 Challenge was done by a person who lapped Laguna Seca just 3s slower than P1 in 2014,only 1s slower in 2015 and his skill had only improved since then.He also lapped P1 in 1:33.07s so he is a good driver.


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saxy  7m ago

Lol damn. A stock GT3 is faster than your Mclaren P1. What a shame


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sroser  7m ago

No, it was just driven very hard. It was a stock GT3 RS. The 991 GT3 pulling 2:13 just has a track alignment.

The GT3 RS running faster than the 918 ran (not just the P1) had zero upgrades. And the GT3, which lapped Portimao 12s slower than a P1 on Trofeo Rs, only had a track re-alignment, which would not net 12s. Combine that with a stock NSX and a 570S with a cat+ECU raping the ACR, LT, Huayra and Veyron SS times on Thermal Short and what you have are very poor tests.

They also ran the ACR in winter and summer, nigh on the same time, both 5s slower than the 918, which is unheard of. 1.3s quicker than 918 at MLRS, 3s faster at VIR, 2s faster at Willow Springs. Now 5s slower. Hmmm...

And both myself and Manone, who rarely agree on anything, both agree on this. This isn't just about the LaF time, or the McLaren times, it's about all the times being complete horse crap, every last one of them.


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saxy  7m ago

LOL... was that GT3 RS on slicks as well?

nonetheless, you're telling me a GT3 RS is faster than a P1 by just upgrading its tires? And you know what, I bet it would be. Especially the later long corners. If every corner the slicks can go 5-7mph faster, it's going to be faster.

And so what?


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sroser  7m ago

Have you even seen a Hoosier R7?...They might as well be slicks, Theres just literally a few inches of long dots on the tread...
Now considering the GT4 is NOT stock, Any arguments made with it are practically useless now, ANY car, That doesnt have its tyres from the factory, Is not stock, Is that GT3 stock? Dunno, Theres literally nothing about it other then a cam, Ive got no reason to doubt the guy driving, But You posted it, And down the line im sure we will find something.
And the Huayra BARELY has any serious laptimes...If any, Both Blyton and Anglessey, And it both got the same time and got beat by the GT3, So why cant a GT3 win on Thermal?..Plus the Veyron isnt a track car, So is it that surprising that it would get beat by one?..
Forgot to add, Can you "Really" take anything serious from GermanCarForum.Com?.......That name alone should tell you something..

Why don't you use a board comparison to run a comparison between a GT3 RS and the Veyron SS, Huayra SV, ACR and 675LT and see if anyone else has gotten anything close? Also bear in mind that the Veyron SS and Huayra ran in milder weather.

A 570S with a cat and ECU has gone 2s faster than his 675LT time on Corsa tyres. That should be exactly the other way round. And when you look at Graham Rahal's NSX lap, which is the only decent time there aside from the mildly tuned 570S lap, you could use Solomon's times to argue that a 530ps Nissan GTR is faster than the ACR, the Huayra, the Veyron SS, the LT and the SV. All just really, really silly.

So basically these two videos show the only two decent, quality times from thermal. The rest should be scrubbed, except for the NSX MkI time (also Graham Rahal) and the Alex Gurney laps for R&T.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1JkByomaXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeaB5oZmnDo

There are literally just 5 decent times amongst this mess currently. We should also add the 570S 1:20.91 time as a modified lap time and state cat+tune in notes.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/thermal-club-raceway


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sroser  7m ago

@sroser
You believe that a Porsche had done 2:00 at Thermal raceway when a GT4 racecar could only do it it 2:13average(2:12.26 best) and 458 Challenge Evo could do it in less than 2:11 from the video I showed?To put it into perspective a GT4 car is faster than a 675LT.For your sake I am putting the video again
Laptime 0:03-2:14.And 458 challenge is faster than a laferrari.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gPd3_RaHPM
Here is the GT4 racecar video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3H4G8Tf_uo
Now since we know that Cayman GT4 was on slicks at that run,from the comparison,I can guarantee that 991 GT3 video you posted was also on slicks.
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/clc815706ok3
And even 2010 GT4 racecar is inarguably faster than a 991 GT3.
http://www.racingsportscars.com/race/Algarve-2010-09-19h.html
So no sorry your videos can't be used for comparision.

That 458 Challenge Evo is driven by the Google VP, i.e. not a professional. I can find you a video of a 458 Challenge Evo lapping Fuji slower than a 675LT 2up. These cars are driven by non-pros for entertainment.

http://fastestlaps.com/tests/sk8b3ctnbchl
Not a full lap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B3lKQRxZws

GT4s Clubsports run 2:10 - 2:12, but this is a race lap time, not a qualifying time, and none of these drivers are pros either. It also has only 385hp and is basically full weight. So the fact it's slightly faster on slicks than a car running on tyres with some threads is no surprise.


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sroser  7m ago

There's a Mclaren P1 GTR that did Thermal in about 2:05-2:07. I'd like to see the stock Porsche 911 that did it in 2:00

It was 2:04.8 when it crossed the line. It was 2up and driven by a non-pro. A pro can lap a normal P1 2up in 2:08 on Corsa tyres. Basically the lap times on Thermal Long should be less than they are on Bahrain International, and Alex has lapped in 1:59.4 there in a P1 GTR.

Edit, also note, '2:00' was not the time, he used that as a general reference to the configuration, i.e. the 2 minute config = Thermal Long. But the time of the GT3 RS was less than 2:10, 'faster than the 918'.

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