Next were gonna see poor worthless slaves sucking rich worthless slaves dicks on forums.

Next were gonna see a Kia competing with a Haracan and a Mitsubishi compared to an S65.....

Yeah it does go against brand values. But I guess it may have to do with the fact that other supercar manufacturers would hold red bull back from making a car that would totally embarrass their current line up. But they still needed a brand name mark to work with...

The question is, Why is Aston even making cars like this? Astons are a thing of beauty, They shouldnt be these super powerful road race cars, Stick to what there good at making, Beautiful cars, Hell its bad enough Jaguar and hell even Bentley are making striped out track cars of already heavy arse cars, Like who the hell takes a 8000lbs Bentley round a track?.............

Also that doesn't explain why **a car like Model S P85D(AWD) which is much faster in straight line than Mini Cooper JCW GP(FWD) is slower at red bull ring. **

Lol. Shows how much you know. Because this is a power track, the cars stay on full throttle a lot. And the Tesla overheats like crazy and the batteries shut down. Someone took a Tesla around the Ring, and most of the lap the car had only 320hp and near the end the car had only 160hp left.

LMP performance? Hardly. Fastest hypercar around ANY dry track? YES!

/Reggies

I'm pretty sure that has more to do with the Nismo having AWD getting more agressive with the curbs and getting out of the slow tight corners

You just contradicted yourself.It doesn't explain why it is a power track.Also that doesn't explain why **a car like Model S P85D(AWD) which is much faster in straight line than Mini Cooper JCW GP(FWD) is slower at red bull ring. **

I'm pretty sure that has more to do with the Nismo having AWD getting more agressive with the curbs and getting out of the slow tight corners

458 Speciale was slower when both cars were tested by the stig i.e the same driver.

Red bull is a medium downforce circuit but it is some what downforce circuit.
In red bull ring only first 2 corners are tight rest of the corners are decently fast.Most of the corners are more than 60mph enough for Racecars like F1,LMP1 or GT cars to show the difference in aerodynamics.
Besides some drivers also say that they prefer high downforce in this circuit if you look up in the circuit review.If it was a power circuit then Nissan GTR nismo wouldn't be faster than 458 Speciale which has better straightline speed.

LOL. 626m is not long. It's a power track because it has 3 straights, with one being an uphill climb, and most importantly the corners are very tight, unlike Silverstone and Catalunya which have lots of sweeping corners where cars are nearly flat out or going 200+kph through them.

So downforce will not be a big factor.

Redbull ring may not be downforce track but it is technical track its longest straight is only 626m.Just because a track has long straight doesn't mean it is a power track take for example Catalunya,Jarama,Nurburgring GP,Estoril,Zhuhai,suzuka all are the tracks which have more than 1km of straight but are considered high downforce track or technical circuit.

Power circuits are high speed tracks like daytona, hockenheim and monza.
If P1 GTR is slower than GT3 cars then the myth of P1 beating them with slicks is I guess false.

Lol, redbull circuit is NOT a downforce circuit. Long straights, elevation change, and tight slower corners. The P1 GTR did the lap just under 1:33 at the hands of Bruno Senna.

I hope Aston Martin Red Bull scrap the idea of powering it with naturally aspirated V12. Having a smaller, turbocharged engine may hurt the car's value and make it harder to justify the $3 million pricetag, but it will improve its performance and make it easier to achieve the expected 1-to-1 power to weight ratio.

you're missing the point, this is meant to be a simple and light car, adding turbos/intercoolers would add the need for more/bigger air inlets/another cooling system for them which would just add weight and increase the size that it would have to be packaged in

how much did the F1 V10/V12s weight?

@R8 LMS Ultra

P1 GTR has quite a low level of downforce for what it should be a track car (just a 10% increment over the road legal P1 at the same speed).
It is also heavy and, as the FXX cars program, it is thought for gentlemen and not actual professional drivers.
Hence why a GT3 car stomps it.
McLaren P1 LM (given the whole lot of aggressive modifications brought by Lanzante) on race slicks would be more than enough to beat it; Aston Martin Vulcan would be faster as well (at Snetterton, the development Vulcan was quite a few seconds faster than GT3 race trim lap times).
Finally, something like the Zonda Revolucion is on another planet entirely: 400 kg less and MUCH more aero are too damn important for achieving a fast track time.

@saxy
What was the P1 GTR red bull ring lap time?I think it should be faster than a GT3 car considering its downforce levels.By the way GT3 car does 1:28.9 at best in Red bull ring.

And I think it is a downforce track because of the high speed corners.I have searched every where but couldn't find P1 GTR laptime.

Considering how the P1 GTR was slower than a simple Mclaren 650S GT3 around the power circuit Red Bull Ring. If this car in race trim were to challenge LMP1 cars, the roadcar at least should be much faster than anything we've seen. And lets be honest, Newey doesn't know asthetics. all he does is good aero + chassis, so this isn't a poser car. When it completely embarrasses all the existing cars on the market, Ferrari, Mclaren and etc, will have to up their game. And then consumers... well we get to reap the benefits

LaFerrari and P1 rivaling hypercar? Ahahaha.
Nice one.

This car will obliterate any previous road car and the track only version won't have anything to do with the GT3 Vantage, it will be something like a Zonda R, i.e. a track car without regulations which, this time though, will happen to be in the realm of performance of LMP1 racing cars.

According to RB insiders, this car already produces more downforce than their current F1 car.

Worth mentioning that rb 001 is not the name of the car when it's finished

Here is an aerodynamical analysis of the rb 001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0G0OpTAdI