39 New Hennessey Venom F5 aims for 300mph

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The New Hennessey Venom F5 with 7.4 liter 1600 hp twin turbo v8 is aiming to be the worlds fastest car and hit 300 mph. While the previous Venom had drag coefficient of 0.44, the new F5 is supposed to have 0.33 - this should definitely help in a straight line.

The 1,244 bhp, 270.49 mph Hennessey Venom GT is still, technically, the fastest car in the world. So with 1600 hp and less drag F5 should be faster, the question is how much faster?

A top speed run is planned for 2018. There will be 24 units of this car built at the price of 1.6 million dollars. The first deliveries of this car start in early 2019.

1m ago by tyler
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Clipo  1m ago

Koenigsegg will be ready LOL


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cosimo  1m ago

https://i.imgur.com/3A9vmgy.jpg


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cosimo  1m ago

the guy is clean and so are his world records

https://www.carmrades-blog.com/all-articles/2016/11/11/hennessey-performance-success-and-controversy

you f**k people in the ass and change your name and you're good to go, murican dream

 

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FastestLaps  1m ago

Last time I checked Kevin Spacey is still named Kevin Spacey


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Fastedee  1m ago @FastestLaps

He's likely guilty but I've heard of cases where drunkards confess to murders they didn't commit.


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RTG  1m ago @FastestLaps

Thought his name changed to Uber Liberal Pedophile Douchebag Hypocrite A-Hole? Or maybe that name is common in Hollywood?


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cosimo  1m ago @FastestLaps

every kevin in showbiz has a thing for boys

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HvXRCTvLv7I/T_YHmh-IKhI/AAAAAAAAAA8/2RHpGt4M4uo/s1600/996SPR_Kevin_Bacon_002.jpg


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FastestLaps  1m ago @RTG

They are all ****ing pieces of shit and I glad we have freedom here to say that (barring occasional autocensor to keep Google content flagging ****s at bay)



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FastestLaps  1m ago @cosimo

Because certain words trigger the Google's Gestapo content flagging police. If you promise to send me some BTC to fund my work, I will gladly remove such filters. But as it is now, my only options is filthy Google AdSense. Which absolutely stinks, by the way.


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FastestLaps  1m ago @cosimo

As long as website users don't care about content creators livelihood, there is no other option but to use ads and comply to fascist content censorship policies.


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FastestLaps  1m ago

Was the previous Hennessey record actually proven or was it just an estimate?

Estimates don't count for world records and "worlds fastest car" title.

 

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NIN  1m ago

A few problems with the Venom GT...
1. It isn't a production car. It is a tuned Lotus.
2. It only went in 1 direction, not 2 directions in the given time frame.
3. It isn't even the fastest street legal tuned car (a couple of tuned Ford GTs went much faster than the Venom GT).


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sroser  1m ago @NIN

Rufs are tuned Porsches though.


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NIN  1m ago @sroser

Legally, a RUF is a RUF.
It has a RUF VIN, RUF title, RUF registration, etc.

Legally, a Hennessey Venon GT is a Lotus.
It has a Lotus VIN, Lotus title, Lotus registration, etc.

Does the F5 have a Hennessey VIN? I don't know.


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sroser  1m ago @NIN

So changing the VIN determines it? A Ruf is a tuned 911 to anyone looking, just as a Venom GT is a bastardised Exige.

That said, Hennessey has a dubious past.

However this site has developed a dubious method of determining what counts for records. Anyone would think that manufacturers don't subcontract out most of a car's design and parts and build it all in house.


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NIN  1m ago @sroser

When RUF gets a bare chassis, it does not have a VIN. The car is built as a RUF, given a RUF VIN, title, etc. From day 1, it is a RUF and was never a Porsche (obviously, some parts incl. the chassis on most models are from Porsche).

With the Venom GT, Hennessey buys a used Lotus, tears it apart and builds a Venom GT. It is/was a complete Lotus with a Lotus VIN (that tells how many years ago the car was actually built), Lotus title, etc.

For example, there is/was a used Venom GT for sale (called a 2014) but if someone (like I did) ran the VIN, they would see that it was actually a 2010 Lotus Elise.


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sroser  1m ago @NIN

I think your first sentence nullifies your argument. "When RUF gets a bare chassis..."

So basically, remove a completely non-functional metal rectangle with letters and numbers on it and it's the same deal.


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NIN  1m ago @sroser

It's not an argument, it's just a legal fact. By law, a RUF is a RUF. The fact that they buy their chassis from Porsche is no different than Pagani buying an engine from Mercedes.

It's different for Hennessey because Hennessey doesn't buy the chassis from Lotus. In fact, Lotus has nothing to do with Hennessey (can't blame Lotus for that). Hennessey is a tuner and not an OEM. Hennessey (AFAIK) doesn't have OEM status. If they get it before the F5 is made, it will legally be a Hennessey.


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sroser  1m ago @NIN

It's not a legal fact at all, you just made that up. Pagani don't get a bare chassis from Mercedes though do they? RUF get a bare chassis and an engine from Porsche. Pretty sure the gearbox is the same too, although maybe with a different final drive ratio. RUF is more of a tuner car than any, they just buy the parts in kit form. If RUF doesn't make the chassis, or the engine block, or the transmission, what exactly is it that they do again? Even the sodding interior is Porsche, Porsche, Porsche.

001-2011-ruf-rt-12-r-interior.jpg

Chassis - check
Engine - check
Transmission - check
Interior - check


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NIN  1m ago @sroser

It is a legal fact. RUF is legally classified as an OEM. Brabus is legally classified as an OEM. Hennessey is NOT legally classified as an OEM.

I didn't write that Pagani buys a chassis from Mercedes. They buy the engine from Mercedes (AMG).

RUF does build their own chassis for the CTR3
RUF does build their own engine for the RGT-8

If you disagree with the law, take it up with the Geman Federal Department of Motor Vehicles (Kraftfahrt Bundesamt)


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Xen  1m ago @NIN

NIN wins


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sroser  1m ago @Xen

NIN - Your rules might apply in Germany, but they do not apply elsewhere. And that you based the argument of what counts as a manufacturer on a small thin, functionless rectangle of metal is laughable.

Whereas RUF buys everything from Porsche, or the people who supply Porsche. What exactly does RUF do apart from engine tuning, suspension and styling mods, which every tuner does.

You lie about CTR3.
https://jalopnik.com/252089/question-of-the-day-ruf-ctr3-cayman-or-911

German law does not apply everywhere.


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NIN  1m ago @sroser

From the windshield back, the CTR3 has a unique tubular frame co-designed by RUF and Multimatic (a Canadian company). The mid-engined CTR-3 is not a modified Boxster. But none of that matters since every CTR-3 has a RUF VIN. Every Hennessey Venom GT has a Lotus VIN.

You may not think that it matters but it does. To say that it does not apply elsewhere doesn't make sense. RUF is a German company. Hennessey is an American company. Has the US DOT given Hennessey OEM status with the Venom GT? No, they haven't. Has any govt. given Hennessey OEM status? No, they have not.

Once again, it isn't MY argument as to what is or isn't classified as an OEM.


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sroser  1m ago @NIN

The CTR3 is one rare model, for everything else all they manufacture is a VIN plate, which makes them a VIN plate manufacturer, not a car manufacturer.


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FastestLaps  1m ago @sroser

2017 Ruf CTR is pretty damn sure a distinct model, not a tuned Porsche.


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NIN  1m ago @sroser

It isn't up to me, you, or anyone else on this site to determine if a company is a manufacturer or not. Whether Hennessey, RUF, Brabus, Gemballa or Ford is a manufacturer is determined by the government agency that grants them manufacturer status. To say it's "just a VIN..." is like saying that a title is just a piece of paper with numbers and letters on it.

If I buy 50 Corvettes, replace each engine with a quad turbo V10 that doubles the HP, completely change the suspension and body work, then sell them as NIN Quasar RS, those cars are still (legally) a Chevy. NIN (like Hennessey) would be a tuning company.

The Mitsubishi Raider/Dodge Dakota pickup is an example of 2 nearly identical vehicles except 1 is legally a Mitsubishi and the other is legally a Dodge. Other than the VIN and a few meaningless trim pieces, they are the same but the law is the law.

RUF (whether you like it or not) has that legal status of manufacturer.


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sroser  1m ago @FastestLaps

Based on the original CTR, which was based on a Porsche. Basically, if they didn't have Porsche's permission, they'd get sued. Therefore they're not an independent car manufacturer.


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sroser  1m ago @NIN

That's exactly what this boils down to though. If a company gets a chassis with a VIN plate, you say they're not a manufacturer. Yet if they manufacture the VIN plate, which requires all the CDT skill of the average 11 year-old, they're a car manufacturer. It's a BS argument.

Not if you bought those 50 corvettes minus the VIN plate according to you. Seriously, let's visualise your argument. The ability to manufacture this label determines whether a company is a car manufacturer or not.

https://www.3sx.com/faq/vinplates/vin-plates-3s-01-600.jpg

Making 0.0001% of the 100% makes you a manufacturer. BS argument. FFS, if I pin a label to a goose saying , "swan," is it a swan or a goose? How about if I pin a label to a goldfish saying, "racehorse"?


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NIN  1m ago @sroser

It's NOT ME!
I didn't make the law. That's just the way that it is.
If a company just stuck their own VIN on a car, the company would be breaking the law. Legally, the car would be whatever the actual VIN states that it is.

I can't legally print my own passport, driver's license, doctorate, etc.


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sroser  1m ago @NIN

The law doesn't change reality. Making a tiny rectangle does not make you a car manufacturer in engineering terms. RUF can't do what it does without Porsche's permission. It is not an independent manufacturer, it is a tuner.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsche-tuner-ruf-sets-uk-office

"Porsche tuner RUF sets up UK office"

Porsche chassis + Porsche engine + Porsche drivetrain + Porsche interior + aftermarket springs + aftermarket engine parts + aftermarket body mods = tuner

You can argue the opposite all day long, but from an engineering standpoint, you are wrong. At least the engine and interior and drivetrain in a Venom GT is not from Lotus. That makes it more of a standalone production than any RUF ever could be.


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NIN  1m ago @sroser

You're going by an "engineering" stand point. I am not. If the discussion was "Does RUF deserve OEM status?", that would be a valid point. The question has been "Does RUF have OEM status?", which they do (Hennessey does not).

With the Venom GT, Hennessey buys GM crate engines and parts. Hennessey buys the transmission, too. Looking into the lawsuits against Hennessey, they often just put their name on parts (camshafts, for example) that are claimed to be higher performance but are actually stock OEM parts. Maybe RUF does the same, IDK


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NIN  1m ago @sroser

You're going by an "engineering" stand point. I am not. If the discussion was "Does RUF deserve OEM status?", that would be a valid point. The question has been "Does RUF have OEM status?", which they do (Hennessey does not).

With the Venom GT, Hennessey buys GM crate engines and parts. Hennessey buys the transmission, too. Looking into the lawsuits against Hennessey, they often just put their name on parts (camshafts, for example) that are claimed to be higher performance but are actually stock OEM parts. Maybe RUF does the same, IDK


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sroser  1m ago @NIN

The engineering standpoint is far more comprehensive than the law but then P1 LMs also had unique VIN plates and were disregarded as a production car.

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/youtuber-drives-mclaren-p1-lm-on-british-roads-talks-nurburgring-battery-trick_3.jpg

Yes but at least Hennessey (despite his many flaws) sources the parts from different manufacturers and puts them together, rather than getting every part from Porsche and then sticking a small rectangle on the final article to say it's a RUF. Essentially it's like someone buying a Caterham in kit form, putting it together themselves and claiming it's not a Caterham.

RUF have never built a ground-up car/chassis themselves, so if Hennessey and others are excluded from being classed as production cars, then RUF should be too, ditto for Gemballa. The RUF VIN plate is little more than false advertising. If Porsche wanted to, it could put RUF out of business in an instance.


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NIN  1m ago @sroser

The P1 LM is a strange scenario. A "track-only to street-legal" case is rare.

Interestingly, RUF was nearly put out of business by Porsche. Someone at Porsche decided that they didn't want to sell chassis to anyone (RUF, 9ff, etc.). The problem was that Porsche and others had negotiated contracts with the other companies. Voiding those contracts would have lead to lawsuits which wouldn't be good for anyone. They worked something out for the time being.

IMO, the main reason that Hennessey doesn't have OEM status is BECAUSE of his shady past. Those lawsuits (some he has lost) are a big deal and I don't think that the US DOT wants to give Hennessey anything.

That's why the F5 will be interesting. According to Hennessey, it is their chassis, engine, body, etc. Will he have OEM status by then? Will the cars be subject to OEM crash testing, emissions, etc.? Will it carry a Hennessey VIN? Nobody knows


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sroser  1m ago @NIN

Check your facts, that's been thoroughly debunked on forums. The P1 LM does not start life as a P1 GTR. Nor does it have the same capacity engine, it's a 4.0. It's also lighter and with more aero, wider tyres, different steering wheel. The F1 LM was fundamentally closer to an F1 GTR than a P1 LM is to a P1 GTR.

Well I agree. But from a engineering technical viewpoint, RUF is no more of a manufacturer, ditto for Gemballa and 9ff.


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NIN  1m ago @sroser

I thought that the P1 LM was what Lanzante created from the track-only car. (Road & Track, Autocar articles).
Whatever it was, wherever it came from, it's rare. :)


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sroser  1m ago @NIN

Nope, Lazante himself has debunked this. It is built by Lazante on behalf of McLaren from a P1 chassis. It does not start life as anything.


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cosimo  1m ago

hennessey, muricas most wanted thief lives on, the only justice for this guy is to be hanged by the neck until he's dead.

soooooooooo many people curse him day & night

https://jalopnik.com/ex-employees-say-hennessey-is-a-bigger-mess-than-you-ev-1778134112

only in the us of arse you can get away with such a crime

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