57 New Porsche GT3 comes with a stick!

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When Porsche decided to retire manual gearbox in 991 GT3, many customers were unhappy - sure, PDK is best for performance, but, in this age of drive-by-wire steering, throttle and brakes, manual gearchange was one of the last analog man and machine interactions left.

Porsche tried to compensate by releasing new GT models with manual as standard - the Cayman GT4 and Porsche 911R. Reception and sales were better than anticipated and this led to complete reversal of strategy for the GT3 line and return of 6 speed manual gearbox alongside PDK for the facelifted 991 GT3.

The new GT3 also has revamped engine, now at 4 liter capacity, 9000 rpm redline with 500 horsepower, optimized aero for 20% more downforce (with no extra drag) and minor cosmetic updates.

0-100 time is quoted as 3.4 seconds for the PDK version and 3.9 for manual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CECuqFkzzhI

6m ago by FastestLaps
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Fastedee  5m ago

Hate must be replaced with "Sunny Ways" on FL lol


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BR2+  5m ago

Smh.....


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BR2+  5m ago

Smh.....


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Fastedee  5m ago

Especially Gandalf and Rob Halford.


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Fastedee  5m ago

Well the R has the same horsepower and 8800 rpm redline as the gt3r. And 1 more lb of torque!. BR2+ I'm sure they're ok but the bumps are not in the right places lmao. I respect the LGTB though.


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BR2+  5m ago

Lol dude he totally has a thing for you


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Fastedee  5m ago

Remember guys you're smart enough good enough and doggone it people like you. Detuned usually means less horsepower not less where I come from.
German,British,Italian and American cars all have qualities to recommend them.


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cosimo  5m ago

there's no such thing as economical sense attached to this overrated 911, it's all about the investment with gt3/gt3 rs and the 911r with manual, but the speculators got b*tt-hurt (like you and br2) when they knew about the next gt3 with a manual and 9k limiter, lol.

and stop acting like you don't read anything, you just can't hold your breath when it comes to the 911 and it's over msrp price which some thought they could f*ck everyone else with any price tag they can come up with and do as they please, which now takes us back to the vw bubble that will explode when more buyers find out about their beloved performante can't perform as the video which lamborghini released in under 7 minutes lol.


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saxy  5m ago

It's not a fanboy who says that $185,000 is reasonable. It's one with any economical sense. The car was instantly sold out. And commanding well over $400,000 in the second hand market. That means they could have charged even more.

I did not bother reading beyond your stupid first paragraph because it's not worth my time.


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cosimo  5m ago

you certainly don't know how to calculate value because people were paying $400,000 for the 911R. Porsche charging $185k is very reasonable. It's a limited car. It's cheaper than a base turbo S.

only an idiot fanboy such as yourself would believe $185k is reasonable for a vw product that's been offering utter sh*t quality.

and what does the turbo s has to do with a parts bin 911 with a detuned gt3 engine ? you crazy ? boy ? or on your third period today ? wtf does the turbocharged 911 have to do anything with a pos overpriced 911 with no turbos ? we already know you're the dumbest person on fl but wtf were you thinking when you dragged the turbo s into a naturally aspirated conversation ?

even the optional parts are not worth what they are asking for, the whole car feels dated once the facelift is out and some of the interior parts are considered wear and tear, as if you have brake pads and tires that need to be replaced every 3-5 years. porsche quality is not better than a german dogs poop.

fyi, the 911r is an overpriced parts bin pos carrera with a lower redline just to protect the internal parts and save some face (hence 991.1 gt3 that only works with pdk only because a normal human is not capable of shifting at 9k rpm once you hear the fart 6 scream right after 6k rpm) some german dog poop logic if you ask me.

acting like a smart-a*s won't you get under anyones wings on fl, you're just the typical coward who pretends to know everything, but the truth is, you're just an idiot with zero knowledge when it comes to vw products that are covered with porsche logos to impress warlord keyboard warriors such as yourself.

anyone who has driven double clutch cars will tell you porsche is still the slowest and most retarded system when you put it up against ferrari and mclaren. you're better off in an aventador with an old school single clutch box that sounds like a real race car despite being few m/s slowers.


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Fastedee  5m ago

One commenter is familiar with ELLE that b@!!# lol


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Fastedee  5m ago

You have a GARGANTUAN Talent sir lol.



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Fastedee  5m ago

Yeah that noob for Automann with a 5.4 0-100 in an M2 illustrates your point.


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Fastedee  5m ago

I agree about the dual clutch but to beat a 10 speed auto is really good eh.


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Fastedee  5m ago

Dual clutch is crazy fast at shifts. However, a top driver can beat a really fast automatic like Pobst did in the ZL1.

 

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FastestLaps  5m ago

Eeeemm... I believe if Pobst tested identical ZL1 with dual clutch (or just any fast "sports automatic") he would be faster.

But PDK gains will be bigger for less experienced drivers. Pobst can manage working the stick and doing steering and braking at the same time and with great efficiency. Noobs won't. Driving manual properly (and fast) is almost like a lost art lol


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lawrencefearon  5m ago @FastestLaps

F.L.- Automatic transmission efficiency is very application specific. That Chevy is a conventional torque converter automatic, so it has zero mechanical advantage over the manual. Serious noobs can just buy shorter closer ratio gear sets and shorter differential gears with an ECU reflash. About 100lbs. less weight too. Careful, redline road racing that GM automatic too- they burn up.


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Jim McManulst  5m ago @FastestLaps

Yeah, but you understand that this is impossible with a dual-clutch transmission, right? At no point during a shift is a dual-clutch gearbox providing zero/nil/no torque to the ground.

Meaning, when a car w/ a DCT gearbox shifts from 1st to 2nd under load, at no point during the shift is there a neutral state. It's always feeding some power from the engine to the wheels/ground - even between shifts. That's the beauty of a DCT; it's not just about the decreased shift speed, but more about the efficiency gained by allowing power/torque to be "spilled" over from gear to gear during shifts.

You simply cannot achieve this with a manual transmission, as every time you shift, you are not applying any power to the ground. A manual can never match a DCT because of this.

TL;DR; It has nothing to do with how fast the gearbox changes gear; it's gains are due to the fact that you are always providing torque to the ground between shifts.

In effect, the shift speed for a DCT is "zero" - regardless of how long the actual shift process takes. A human can never match "zero" with a standard manual transmission.


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Mike Piazza  4m ago @Jim McManulst

Porsche developed the original concept and the prototype PDK in the 80's as a LeMans project in direct response to the calculations they made of how much time the car was not actually under power in a 24 hour race using manual shifting. As PCA Germany Region members we had a good relationship with Zuffenhausen, Weissach, and the technical training facilities at Ludwigsburg where they introduced us to and briefed us on the PDK technology when it first came out. The original Tiptronic was their first stab at the commercialization of their PDK racing technology. You can argue about the merits, or lack of, the PDK in an everyday driver until you are blue in the face but there can be no argument with the cold hard mathematical fact that in a 24 hour endurance race the additional extra time under power with a PDK transmission is extremely significant and cannot be matched by a manually shifted vehicle.


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saxy  5m ago

Lol no that won't happen


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lawrencefearon  5m ago

As an admitted hard core manual purist, I believe the GT3m will be faster on long road courses than the GT3RS PDK. I've seen that result in Cayman's [6sp vs. PDK] where maximum manual mastery overcame PDK's faster shift speed. Notice how in COSIMO's F50 video below the driver's brutally efficient execution of double-clutch, heel-toe, down-shifting for engine braking. Men just have more situational awareness than an automatic and given all the factors that drivers are aware of and automatics oblivious to in road course work, mastered manuals will dominate PDK.
(https://youtu.be/t42wwnICA1Q)

 

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FastestLaps  5m ago

If PDK software allows for aggressive downshifting with big RPM spikes, I think there is nothing left for the manual where it could possibly be faster.

There is, of course, weight difference, but it's not very significant.


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Fastedee  5m ago

The gt3r manualwill still have a downforace and limit handling advantage over the 911R


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Fastedee  5m ago

A manual fits with the beautiful sounding engine and I hate to think people go well I enjoy the R more but the GT3 r's acceleration and laptimes are more brag worthy. The premium on it is interesting as the Vantage dogleg is a no cost option even with a stone age automated manual as the regular tranny. Of course the R is far more different from the GT3rs than the dogleg from the regular V12s.
Jason Camissa in defence of the dogleg Aston said who needs to get to sixty in less than 4.4 seconds. Exchange that number for 3.7 and you get an argument for the R.
That said anyone paying more than 300k for it are crazy or using it as an investment.

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