i really like this panamera , the price around $99,990, and it comes with 440hp which is good. full reference for this http://handi.tech/2017-porsche-panamera-specs-release-date-price-europe/

taking corners at higher speeds and eliminating bodyroll is another big factor here and pushing it at the ring with all those bends, bumps and sharp turns without understeers says a lot about this nasty looking pig.

it's fast becasue:

• they cheat (typical porsche marketing)
• prototype car (unknown weight, power output, lighter materials used for this purpose and lap time around the ring) not even close to production cars, which mid-life owners that are fed up with their wives will be driving and showing off
• what's with the fake sticker on the headlights ? do we even know if there are any headlights installed ? who the f**k covers the headlights during a test ? only a novice would believe it's a camouflage and they don't have the right to reveal the car as of yet.
• the panamera isn't a sedan, it's a long wheel base 911 with fake rear doors that only monkeys can fit in the back seats.

disable all the electronics and let's see if it can come close to the supercars from 10 years ago. withint the first 2 to 3 km it will crash and all tests will be dismissed and the driver burned alive, of course, they do not like to leave any traces of blood or anyone involved getting killed on purpose while testing, so they just do what they do best and end his/her life on the spot and blame weather conditions and call it driver error with slow reflexes, or even he was drug/alcohol addict that they weren't aware of until today.

truth: too much bs involved with porsche tests.

@fastestlaps

you can blame porsche for all the mess they caused in the industry and fake ring times that we have been seeing from their test drivers and the slower times we see with magazine tests from different continents.

@mini-BR2+

dear saxy,

have you not learned anything from the past of porsche testing scheme around the ring ? a porsche driver shaving his head, body and between the legs = 4s faster than your usual driver that just had breakfast with some leftovers stuck in his gums! bangers and mash ? high cholesterol and body fat ? you start sweating and your palms are all wet, trying rub it off on the passenger seat to get a better grip. the next thing on his mind is, i need to hit the nearest pub to get my vitamins back up and maybe run into a mistress to whip me and give me a good spanking for the day before head back home looking at my ugly wife's face with my mother in-law that should've been dead 20 years ago with a stroke.

do not you know that when you install a roll cage, you're increasing the cars rigidity, safety and IMPROVING HANDLING! you heard that right! the damn handling is being improved A LOT! you can push it harder than the ordinary car with no cage and fast food baby chair bucket seats that does the same exact job the roll cage does to the cars chassis.

to be continued.....

The 918 used was preproduction, slower than the actual production car quoted by Marc Lieb. Mind you, the pre-production 918 was slower than the production one tested by Motortrend.

but of course! porsche? they have been shooting their cars around nurburgring for 40 years now, 10 german "independent and critical" magazines ready to amplify the times recorded to the whole world.
They were all cars slower than the actual road going models, with 100s of kgs of ballast on them brakes always engaged and spoiled 10 octane gasoline. when the other brands decided to play porsche's game, thrashing their lap times, it was through f1 cars disguised as gt-r, zr1, vipers... oh yeah, is it enough to get german citizehship to receive lifetime unlimited brain busting dope?

that's the problem with all cars for such kind of factory tests. nobody knows which tyres they used, which modifications they had, etc. Porsche have been pushing this fake competition for decades. Alfa just joined the bunch.
actually, it does not look like the giulia qv tested at n-ring was on slicks as reported by the usual mysterious, unnamed "reporter":

they look like the old pzero corsa.

by the way, it is not true that the roll cage does not improve track performances. it increases structural rigidity. hard to quantify how much faster, but certainly it will not be slower.

What about Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadraflgliglioglio? Also "out of this world"?
I read that it used racing slicks to set 7:39 in some websites and that it was 100kg lighter than production vehicles like on this website
http://www.motoring.com.au/alfa-delays-giulia-100327/

another out of this world lap time

What about Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadraflgliglioglio? Also "out of this world"?

well, the roll cage doesn't make the car faster... just safer, and more heavy. They put a single bucket seat, with the other untouched. I bet it was more because he would have fallen out of the chair through the corners

The 918 used was preproduction, slower than the actual production car quoted by Marc Lieb. Mind you, the pre-production 918 was slower than the production one tested by Motortrend.

so how can i order one with a roll cage and bucket seat ? maybe a special tune for over 600hp and post a 550hp.

the helmets on me, i have my connections with martini racing.

it's another out of this world lap time like the cheating 918 which used lighter parts and missing panels, they might have also ditched the passenger seat.

are you comparing one of the (in)famous von saurma's ferrari lap times with a factory porsche laptime? lol..
this panamera is virtually as fast as giulia qv...