51 Unrestricted Porsche 919 Hybrid sets lap record on Spa

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Porsche 919 "special edition" - the 919 EVO, has set a new absolute track record at the Spa Francorchamps F1 circuit in Belgium.

The lap time - 1:41.77 is almost a second faster than Lewis Hamilton's 2017 pole lap (1:42.55).

Porsche retired the 919 program last year and withdrew from the LMP1 racing, leaving Toyota as the only factory team in endurance prototype racing.

Read more about LMP1 vs Formula 1 speed comparison here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wRNhPtvYcQ

3m ago by sroser
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latvietis96  2m ago

5:19


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SonatineSUUKS  2m ago

What is the meaning of this car? It is not under any restriction. The Ferrari or Mercedes F1 of 2018 only with a little change dismiss this car.

 

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saxy  2m ago

So? The 919 could add another 500hp. Engineering is engineering. Speed is speed


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SonatineSUUKS  2m ago @saxy

So? The F1 is much more lighter and more aerodynamic. You don't need 500ps and 300mph to make a fast track vehicle.


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saxy  2m ago @SonatineSUUKS

So?


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FastestLaps  2m ago @SonatineSUUKS

It's debatable whether F1 is actually a better platform for "ultimate unrestricted race car". Closed cockpit LMP1 cars are more suited for very high speeds. On the other hand - minimalistic F1 open wheeler will be faster in certain type corners and in mid-range acceleration.

The LMP1 cars are faster than you think.


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Sonatine  1m ago

Cosimo aka General Castilla, you def. need a girlfriend. You are such a nasty little boy, who sits at home in his dark basement, spending 80% of his free-time on this website to insult other people because they like not the same cars as you. It's so cowardly and pathetic. Are you serious about this? Are you not ashamed about yourself? I mean how old are you? 12? Or are you a 50 years old virgin with acne and depression? I hope you get banned by FastestLaps soon because you are just here to offend other people.


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Sonatine  2m ago

And they just made the new world-record in the Nürburgring as well. Their test-driver Timo Bernhard made it in 5:19.55. An insane record. Btw., the car is called Porsche 919 Hybrid Evo.

 

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General Castilla  2m ago

hybrid evo hundehaufen protobs all stock

are you sure you're not part of lgbt party ? cause you might need some spanking to straighten you up, ya sissy boy.


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PPZ  2m ago @General Castilla

Lol cosimo is just asshurt because the italians are incapable of building fast cars like Porsche. Keep up


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General Castilla  2m ago @PPZ

https://memeexplorer.com/cache/448.jpg


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PPZ  2m ago @General Castilla

The only italian car that has managed to do a sub 7 minute Ring time is owned by ze Germans


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BR2+  2m ago @PPZ

....Define fast? Cause im pretty sure a 488, Hell a 458 will make mince outta 99.999% of all cars in being fast..


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PPZ  2m ago @BR2+

''...like Porsche.'' What is reading comprehension


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hostboy  2m ago @PPZ

Cosimo is a girl named Rebecca


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Tyrone1  2m ago @PPZ

"Italians are incapable of building fast cars like porsche"? No, i cant have read that right? Did this dude just go full retard? Ferrari must be from pakistan right?


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manone  2m ago @hostboy

Rebecca Emma Johnston?


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manone  2m ago @Tyrone1

Ferrari is german, based in muenster.


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hostboy  2m ago @manone

Nope. Rebecca. Can't tell you her last name, but she was living in Las Vegas her whole childhood


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PPZ  2m ago @Tyrone1

Name one Ferrari that can keep up with the GT2 RS, GT3 RS or this 919 EVO


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Murmur  2m ago @PPZ

488 Pista:
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/dttkrsks29nd
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/ae4bc04lln0p

Any F1 Ferrari from the last few years:
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/lnua3k8n9lpz
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/117dbnhkop9n
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/3hirrj5s04j9

Speaking of which, when's the last time Porsche has competed or won in the most technologically advanced class of motorsport races? :'-D


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saxy  2m ago @PPZ

The F12 TDF probably would do pretty well, but the Pista will definitely challenge the Gt2rs. To be fair, the Pista will make mince meat of a Laferrari.


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Fastedee  2m ago @manone

MT has become Eurobiased but Road & Track outlapped a GT3 in a ZL1.


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Fastedee  2m ago @PPZ

SF71H in a race vs 919. LaFerrari in an oval,dragrace or track with gentle turns and long straights against GT2 RS. Pista vs GT2 RS.


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Fastedee  2m ago @PPZ

Ferrari doesn't care. That they let some dried up old Krauts test their cars on the Nurburgring is proof of that. I'd let Kyvat have a go at the 919s Nordschleife record in Kimis 2017 F1 car but they wouldn't want to risk it getting all smashed up lol.Ferrari and Aston have good sales so Germans sandbagging their cars matters little.


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hostboy  2m ago @Fastedee

A stock Porsche 919 is faster than a 918 and veyron, but slower than a p1, laferrari, and chiron


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manone  2m ago @hostboy

ahahaahahha, you crack me up! dragsters at nurburgring and now this one...ahahahah


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hostboy  2m ago @manone

It is true


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hostboy  2m ago @manone

Porsche 919 does 0-100 in 2.9 sec and 0-200 in 7.2 sec (same 0-200 as a 918 Weissach, but slower 0-100 by 0.3). LaFerrari and P1 both do 2.8/6.8. Chiron does 2.4 and 6.1.


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General Castilla  2m ago @PPZ

"Name one Ferrari that can keep up with the GT2 RS, GT3 RS or this 919 EVO"

ain't she cute ?

https://www.cdn-docs-ck.com/docs/bilder/zoom_ck/232983.jpg

have you been kissing hoeboy and trying to suck the last bit of meth out of his throat ? or you're out of your chill pill again na_zi boy ? :)


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Sonatine  1m ago @General Castilla

Cosimo aka General Castilla, you def. need some professional help. You have a serious brain-disability or a personality disorder. Something is 100% wrong with you and your mental health. I mean yeah, it's a free website and you have the right to dislike or even hate a brand but you are already choleric. You are insulting other people because they like other vehicles than you. You are becoming super aggressive and offensive just because people have a different opinion than you. It's a simple fact that Porsche builds some of the finest racecars on the planet. Their amazing racing-history and all their trophies and world-records are proving that. No wonder that so many specialists and professional racedrivers love Porsche. It doesn't matter what they do, they are always the best or at least some of the best in each segments. And the Porsche 919 Hybrid Evo is the most amazing racecar on the planet currently... there is no doubt. But you are not able to have a objective look at things, you are just getting mad if Porsche breaks another record because you are a 15 year old little kid with ADD. You need some Ritalin.


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manone  3m ago

the fastest car around tracks would look like red bull x2014. in that hypothetical world, the most important variable is aerodynamic efficiency, which is highly restricted in today's f1 regulations, but not so in lmp1. Plus, hybrid units are much more limited in f1 than lmp1:
4mj of energy through 160hp motor per lap as opposed to 8mj through unlimited power motor for the porsche. Moreover, there is a further bottleneck in the energy stored per lap in f1. Combustion engines are more powerful in f1, but this is irrelevant as total power allowed is higher for porsche lmp1.

"The ultimate fastest car would look a lot more like an LMP Car design than an F1 Car. Closed cockpit, closed wheel, AWD, larger battery output." This is just because f1 rules are much more restrictive in aerodynamics. i am not sure about 4wd, probably not, as in current tracks downforce will be much more important than mechanical grip at those theoretical speeds.

 

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saxy  3m ago

Lots of people know F1 by its high speed cornering. But in reality lap time is often gained and lost in big chunks at low speeds. So mechanical grip will start to be more important especially when you’re dealing with that much power


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FastestLaps  3m ago

Since F1 are so concerned about safety, they could have just gone to closed cockpit designs like the x2014 which would provide even more safety than the "halo" rollcage and, as a result, they could have relaxed aero and engine rules and raised the overall speed way up.

With cars like that the next limitation would probably be track design, I am sure FIA would deem certain tracks in current calendar "unsafe".


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Murmur  3m ago

Nice counterproof for all of those who say an LMP1 is faster than a F1. A totally unrestricted LMP1 only 0.8 seconds faster than a conform F1. Imagine how fast would be an unrestricted F1.

 

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saxy  3m ago

It’s not totally unrestricted man. The car is still running the same engine. Had they made it a 2000hp AWD monster it would be a different story. And besides we were talking about straight line acceleration to begin with. And LMP1 hybrid will beat an F1 Car to 300kph even with the limitations, and using 20% less fuel.


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Tyrone1  3m ago

There was never any debate, F1 has always been faster than LMP1. No one is disputing that. Up until recently (2017-18) F1 restrictions have been coming down like an anvil, slowing down the cars, and they were STILL faster than LMP1s.


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Murmur  3m ago @saxy

Yeah, and had they made a 2000hp F1 monster, it would be the same story.


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saxy  3m ago @Murmur

Now see if it had that much power it would have trouble putting it down. At high speeds, the drag of the car would also slow it down. The LMP Car would accelerate faster from low speeds, and it’ll also have a higher top speed.

The ultimate fastest car would look a lot more like an LMP Car design than an F1 Car. Closed cockpit, closed wheel, AWD, larger battery output.


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Murmur  3m ago @saxy

The ultimate is a thing, the current LMP1s and F1s are another.


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saxy  3m ago @Murmur

That’s cuz Current LMP cars are purposely restricted to save F1 face. Also a reason why they had to increase the F1 car speeds at the expense of worst racing. The LMP cars were fast without having the expense of proper racing. Had they kept the 2014-2016 formula 1 Formula, while the LMP cars were allowed the same fuel usage, they would be just as fast.


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DrDuke  3m ago @saxy

You are arguing like the F1 has no restrictive rules. The main reasons for the restrictions is the safety of the driver. It would be easy to make cars with much higher g-forces. But if every driver knocks out after the second corner, these would be short races.

A lot of the first long-distance race cars were "F1" cars with more aerodynamic bodies. These car were slightly heavier but had higher top speeds. Both rulebooks are writen by the FIA. And because of tradition the open wheeler F1 cars have to be the fastest. The base shape of F1 cars has nothing to do with the best possible solution in todays technical means. It's about tradition. They would look far more like LMP1 cars or like neweys X cars from Gran Turismo. In the days these two categories of cars formed, aerodynamic optimization was about reducing drag. Downforce wasn't invented. If you d'like to have cheap (low drag) downforce a huge underbody is the way to go. Another benefit of a closed wheel car is that there is much less stuff in the air creating turbulences.

The whole debate is a bit nonsense. Today it's just heavy regulated sports. The goal is in both sports the same: make the fastest legal car. This has nothing to do with "make the physical possible fastest car".

Maybe there will be once KI drone car races with unlimited rules. The sole question then remains is: without a human driver are they still cars? :)


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Tyrone1  3m ago @saxy

You on meth saxy? Even the slowest F1 cars of the past decade are faster than the fastest LMP1s. Maybe not in off the line acceleration, but F1 cars have way more downforce and higher cornering speeds.
And as for the new cars, they will blow even the 919 hybrid out of the water. Just wait for the belgian grand prix if you dont believe it.


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saxy  3m ago @Tyrone1

Dude, the 2014-16 cars were about 5-7 seconds a lap faster than the LMP1 cars while using softer rubber and 25% more fuel. Take the 2016 LMP Car and give it the same fuel rate as a 2016 Car and I’m sure they will be neck and neck in qualifying and the LMP Car will be faster in race trim.

And did you know back in 2015 in race, the Porsche 919 was running laps at silver stone as fast as the middle pack Formula 1 cars, even while needling through slower GTE car traffic?

And about the Porsche record. Tyrone, I’m sure you DONT know that over a qualifying session, cars get 2 seconds a lap faster from all the rubber being put down. The 919 EVO didn’t have that luxury


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Guevara  3m ago @saxy

There is no way LMP can rival F1 for a simple reason, the amount of money they invest in research. F1 power units have exceeded the 50% efficiency (at billion €€€ cost) while LMP could not have done so, and if unrestricted, F1 could probably cut off 10% of the weight and gain easily 20% power, so F1 no match (yet) for LMP, this has been just a marketing exercise, there could not be real competition just cause the huge differences in research investments.


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DrDuke  3m ago

Pointless record as it doesn't fulfill any regulations. Either it's a road legal car or a rules conform racing car then it gets accepted. Otherwise you would have to add every home made car too.

 

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saxy  3m ago

Any car that beats the fastest F1 Car in history isn’t pointless.


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FastestLaps  3m ago

Porsche just had these 919 cars laying around and they just wanted to do something interesting with one of them :).


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Tyrone1  3m ago @saxy

Fastest F1 so far* 2018 cars are faster.


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Manel  3m ago

And probably not as fast as an unrestricted toyota lmp1 would be...


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Guevara  3m ago

Quote, just marketing, more than this just pointless exercise.

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