McLaren MP4-12C vs Ferrari 488 GTB

Cammissa or that husky Jewish lad said that 3.9 to 60 was near the limits of front engine rwd in an episode of MT called Same as it ever Was. They drove a 1955 300sl convertible as well as the new car.

Mp4-12c walks F12 in roll drag races that can be seen currently. 650S is slightly faster than Mp4-12c. So either Ferrari makes 812 significantly faster than F12 or 650S walks it in roll drag races.

We dont realy know what we can expect from 812. We know nothing about performance of TDF. They should be similiar in terms of straight line acceleration.

I don't think a 650S is going to walk a 812 in a roll... 800hp is a LOT.

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Dude is still going on about F12........

Make a note, Don't let dddddddd on the 812 page for future reference-.-

10.9s in the 1/4 mile is hardly "pathetic". But that being said, they did give the car its best chance. 3.0s to 60 and max power after that. I'm guessing the car is let down by its weight. The American versions also weigh more for legal reasons.

http://www.dw.com/en/stuttgart-germanys-beijing-for-air-pollution/a-18991064

stuttgart ? isn't that where porsche's hq is located at ? lol

the switch to turbochargers helps a lot in cheating, 550hp on paper but in reality it's over 600hp > 911 turbo since 1975

porsche has been crowned for this dirty little trick for decades, the stupid eu regulation has forced all the manufacturers to become liars like porsche as long as the co2 emission is low, again some sort of bs to get their pockets filled with new technology and new horse sh*t regulations they pull out of thin air, as long as you're going full throttle no f**king nature will be saved.

shouldn't airplanes and trains be banned ? one is covering the sky, while the other is doing the lands sideways. diesel is what everyone drives all over europe and stupid german d-bags plan to ban it in 2020 or 2025. isn't this some kind of oppression at work ? they've already started with noise and i'm glad i have suzuki gsxr just to give these anti-c*nts a bang in the ears at stoplights and tunnels.

@Fastedee You do realise that "masters" from Road and Track made great 0-60 mp/h time with F12 but above that their results are pathethic.

...When has MT ever described the SL63s as the near limit of what FR cars can do? And if you actually saw the video of when MT tested the F12, You would relise WHY it got 3.6s 0-60mph time...

In my day you got the best times by nearly or fully burning out the clutch. I seem to remember a Diablo test where Car and Driver got a 4.2 0-60 but mentioned an unnamed magazine got a 3.9 by burning out the clutch.lol. Yep that Automann goofy gloved guy gets very fast times with awd dct cars. The M2 being the polar opposite was 1.2 seconds slower to 62 than pro testers. Even Motor Trend got a miserable 3.6 0-60 in the f12 compared to 2.9 for the masters at Road & Track. In another test MT described the sl 63's 3.9 0-60 as near the limits of what a front engined rear wheel drive car could do lmao.

Its not like anyone should be surprised, European unlike Japanese or American cars which dont offer ridiculous better performing that claiming numbers, Atleast for the bigger part. cars always do better performances then there companys claim, The companys know this and the people who actually know the cars no this, This shouldnt be surprising anyone, If any company said there car did 0-60mph in 4.5s,We all know itll be aroud 4.0s, It has nothing to do with claimed performance figures or not, its more marketing more then anything

And McLaren and Ferrari both underrate there cars, But not every car is exactly the same, But more on there higher tier cars, Hell the very first magazine published 488 GTB dyno test put the 488 at 700bhp at all 4 wheels, I have seen a 650S go anywhere from 674bhp its lowest to 724bhp its highest, Same with a 458 being 549bhp its lowest to 624bhp its highest in my experiences, If anything id say both Ferrari and McLaren both underrate there cars like th Germans, But dont get mistaken as the Germans are the biggest liars when it comes to fake power figures

The problem is that Porsche's and Mclarens dont have problems when you want to achieve claimed performance's levels under control of amateurs drivers. It could be concluded that Porsche and Mclaren underrate performance of their cars and powers numbers while Ferrari still overrates performance of their cars.

wrong!

mclaren and porsches are underrated big time, while ferrari offers the exact power figures listed on their brochures, but the owners are pussies and do not have the balls to push it hard.

how many f12 owners do you know that are capable of launching the car the way it was meant to be launched hard ? none i believe!!

to get the best out of ferrari, you have to grab your balls and see if you can squeeze it and check if it feels like a sponge or is it hard as a rock, then you turn the dial on the steering to ct off = traction off or if your balls are made of metal alloy that no bullet can break through it, just give it another flick to the right and turn off everything and launch it like a boss. maximum power and torque will be unleashed but it's not guaranteed if every mortal can handle over 600hp that will have the rear tires explode and blast off.

bespoke tires are a must, trofeo r tires will send the competition to the hall of shame

90% of the owners have no clue that the manettino dial limits power and torque.

The problem is that Porsche's and Mclarens dont have problems when you want to achieve claimed performance's levels under control of amateurs drivers. It could be concluded that Porsche and Mclaren underrate performance of their cars and powers numbers while Ferrari still overrates performance of their cars. Ofcourse its only an opinion but opinion that is widely known in automotive world.

From the other side nowadays these supercars are so fast that who realy needs a quicker car than for example Mp4-12c ? The most important is an overall experience that car provides, the whole package and here Ferrari's are great.

When you factor in the braking just a big difference

Seems like it's just a case of regular Ferrari drivers not being competent enough to do what Test drivers do. There's a regular guy who tests supercars on a site called Automann. His credentials include a 3.7 0-100 in a 458 Speciale ,4.8 in a Vanquish and his most (cough) amazing results includes a 6.2 time on a 2007 Vantage and the Coup de grace a 5.4! 0-100 In a BMW M2 a full 1.2 seconds! Slower than Autobild.
So these drivers on the Ferrari forum are no doubt the same slightly above average amateurs. The 488 has no problem with the mp4 12c especially above 100.