Nissan GT-R vs Chevrolet Camaro Z/28

@monkey

Sounds like great scenery there, I also don't like getting stuck behind people like that, not really a huge problem but I'd rather not deal with it

@saxy

My own experiences with my tyres and my own car for the past 10+ years prove you wrong, like I said I've driven in the wet and pouring rain on SS tyres with no major problems, to the shops, the highways, in town, from the track, never said it wasn't different, I'm not driving like a hooligan, it's normal driving, anywhere from 10 mph to whatever the limit is, you can say what you want, or not believe me that's your problem, but I drive everyday in wet and dry conditions both rwd and 4wd on SS tyres with no major problems, I know better then anyone what I have n haven't done

And yes, every car is controllable, it's called experience, time, patience and practice can do wonders for the mastery of things, practice=experience=better, that logic is applied to everything that is, including these mythical supposed uncontrollable cars you speak of

Don't know what you've been smoking BR2. If you are a FWD car, if you hydroplane, it's usually fine. A honda civic hydroplanes at 100kph all the time even on skinny tires. But when you hydroplane in a RWD car, you car can easily spin. because your front is free-wheeling while your back is pushing forward. Did you not watch Jeremy Clarkson's spin? it'll never happen to a FWD car but RWD, yes. And the front tires have nothing to do with "easy on the throttle" like your BS argument that every car is controllable. The front has nothing to do with throttle on a RWD car. And you can't do anything about it. Unless you crawl at under 30mph during the rain on the motorways.

Basically I have long distances down curvy mountain roads that have currents of water running across them as it sheds off the mountains.

Ive driven semislicks and its impossible to go the speedlimit with out planing. Not to mention that a hour drive becomes a 3 hour drive because you cant go over 20mph. I hate getting stuck behind people with crap tires in the wet. With a good set of directionals I can safely run 60 mph without worry about flying off a curve and sailing down a mountain.

I wouldnt say ice is more predictable because of patches of black ice and such but hydro[planing can get the best driver there is. I'm pretty dang good at driving and controlling slides ect but if your tires dont have the tread you simply cannot go over a certain speed without running on top of the water and losing control. Sure if you are on a straight you can let off the gas to eventually stop the plane but if your in a curve its game over. There is nothing you can do to save it once your on top of the water layer and your tires are not in contact with the road.

Mate, With all the stuff that comes out of your mouth, All we can do is laugh.

I can laught a drivers that says thet they can "handle" hydroplaning, which is basicly uncontrollable bounce over the water and road. Your aquaplaining may end off the road in the corner or even on straights. This is the definition of the least controllable thing on the road, even driving on ice is more predictable.

True it could be the difference in our road variations and heaviness in whether accumulation, Theres bound to be some kind of difference, Dunno what kind exactly but im sure there are differences. But here it rains quite often, But depending on Speed, Your tyres longevity and the actual depth of the tread one is driving on makes quite a difference, The amount of water on the road also has a huge impact, Cant say ive ever driven in somewhat of a flood going fast, Or period really, So the more water the less traction, Still drive able but as always in the rain more caution should be taken, Less everything=more hydroplaning, But can be avoided to some degree, But i feel pretty confident in my abilities as a driver to be able to handle it, Wouldnt say that with the tyres im on. SS tyres can be driven normally, But its better to do it in the most ideal conditions so we dont get into an auto problems.

Could just be a difference in the types of places we are driving. I have to take two lane mountain highways in heavy rain. SS tires are flat out impossible not to hydroplane on these roads at the speed limit in heavy rain. Has nothing to do with driver skill its just that the tires simply cannot handle the speed limit without hydroplaning.

Around town Im sure they are fine but not in the conditions I drive in. Too many storms and heavy rain.

I have to have a multipurpose tire that I can drive with pretty aggressively in foul weather. I even had a evo that would go haywire with a few inches of water holding in the road.

Didnt say it was a good idea, But it can be done with minimal difficulties, SS tyres are made for max grip in dry conditions, And less then ideal then in other whether, But not impossible to drive normally in them even going the speed limit, I can certainly notice the difference driving my Nissan and Mazda, But havent had any problem hydroplaning in my Rwd, Not driving normally thru the town anyway. A Normal set of tyres is fine, Ive had them before, Cost less and overall a better deal if your not performing your car. But like ive said before the biggest difference is the driver and there control, Ive had atleast 7 different tyre types on my Mazda for daily driving, 2 of which were not SS tyres, Dunlops and Michelins, But ive found both to have advantages and disadvantages, One would tend to drive more slowly and cautiosly if fitted with SS tires, And ive had a good amount of practice, But there not for everyone. On the street i agree it doesnt matter since its not needed, But id rather not go and change a set every time im out on the town, But thats just me.

@br2

In my experience you cant even go the speed limit in heavy rain without hydroplaning. Even being super careful its just impossible sometimes to keep pace with traffic. Its just not a good idea or realistic. They dont channel water properly as they are not made to, so they hydroplane super easy.

I dont think its worth it at all. Very few people can even enjoy the added grip much less on the street. Plus the wear is ungodly. A normal set of high performance directionals is more than adequate on the street in ideal conditions and wont be a nightmare in the rain.

Not saying go full throttle in bad conditions, But on the norm You can use them without sufficient problems, I have, As stated, Not saying blast past cars like normal going 90mph on the highway, Dont put your foot down and drive carelessly, But it can be done with no problems, But also your cars setup too depends on how they would effect the drive, If your inexpierienced driving real grippy tires, Specially in non ideal conditions i wouldnt suggest doing that, On a track in wet conditions you can have a good time though.

Sure if you drive at 30mph you'll be fine but you cannot realistically drive on full blown semislicks in the rain. With the road wet during a rain you'd be going 30 on the interstate while everyone else rolls past at 70.

I used semislicks in the cold and was fine but if there was a hint of rain I switched out to regular directional dunlops with silicon so that I could drive normally in the wet.

One of my friends was driving on the summer tires in the winter, and even with different wear of the front and rear. He also said that all depends on the driver, he said: I'm superdriver more than 25 years of experience. The result: first winter without any accident, but the next winter he has driven it's Focus under the truck.

Youll be fine.

More caution needs to be taken when using a tyre such as that, But caution while driving period makes the difference, Theres certainly noticeable difference between a Michellin Pilot Sport tyre compared to a Pilot Sport Cup tyre in the road if you have been able to drive on them. We all know SS tires can be harsh on the road, less grip in ideal weather, can have more annoying tyre noise, And last alot less miles then your average tyre i live in the UK, It rains here 800 days of the year, my RX7 had Kumho Ecsta V710s 255x295s(Not as big but grippier then Tropheo R) And Dunlop Direzza 03G, I was fine in the wet, Not the most ideal, But no difficulties. Driving to monthly track days, And raining when drive back, No probs. The biggest factor is how you drive and knowing your surroundings, Not the tires, They play a factor and driver thats driven on them will tell you, But the biggest and most important factor is you, And the outcome is up to you. Take care and dont drive like a fool, SImple as that.

You can fully drive just fine in Tropheo R tires and Pilot Cup Sport tyres in cold or wet weather

-false. you'll be hydroplaning in those 305 section front semislicks like crazy. have you seen tropheo R tires?

we need more independent laps for a better comparison

the nordschleife is manufacturer time and the other laptime was at the Z/28 launch event where there were chevrolet engineers as of comparison (and neither the GT-R or 911 got their preassure adjusted and a second run)

Please, Tyres are only as dangerous as there drivers, Any tyre compound can be dangerous in cold or hot weather. You can fully drive just fine in Tropheo R tires and Pilot Cup Sport tyres in cold or wet weather, As with any tyre dont drive like a complete retard and take caution as you would when regularly driving. Ps: Exp comes from driving my SkyLine on Yokohama A048s....In London..

The recipe for Camaro Z/28 is very simple. Less weight, racing suspension, racing tires, super brakes, more power. And its about this.
Z/28 won some MT comparasion and its cool drivers car, but at COMPLETE comparasion, it is slower on track, and in straight speeds. Just add more times and its matter of the number of tests.
Camaro Tires when coold are very dangerous, the tires make is good track performancer but... that are very very aggresive tires for a road lagal car.

Camaro is not that expensive, and its cool car, but as GT-R is track oriented car, Z/28 is even much more track focused. It has no interior.

Yes it is nice to see cars doing it the old fashioned way, YOU driving the car with just a stick and the road. I am tired of this electronic interference rubbish, But at the same time, TPOP is getting strong.

Tires do have a big effect on performance, But the way these people complain about it is different(Not too mentioned NObody complained BEFORE A Vette used good tyres..)And Bmw, Mercedes, Offer extremely sticky tyres for there cars, M3 GTS/CSL, The BlackSeries have Corsas and Cup Sports, Same with Porsche, Along with Dunlop Race tyres. Hell even i have Advan A048s on my SkyLine. But again, TPOP.

yeah i dont really get it.
why do likes such as mb and bmw dont offer stickier tires for their cars.

i mean its not a secret that those have an huge impact on performance.

on the other hand, gm really knows how to make performance cars, its like they leave all the highend manufactures behind without all that electronic bullshit

Still though, Thats expensive, A 1LE for you guys is $38,035, And a Z/28 is $75,000, Practically double...
But It is cheaper then the European alternatives like a C63 Black and M3 GTS and the like.

Just think, If these American cars had DCTs like a PDK or SpeedSHift or SeamlessShifts, And a big amount of electronic interference like a GTR or MP4...No cars would touch them....Still...75k..For a Camaro..

ALso: Lets put up "That Tyre Excuse" That will come into play soon enuff..