McLaren F1 LM vs McLaren P1

Sorry I mistook ACR for other version but that version also has same topspeed

So if motortrend said that the African elephant is the fastest animal in the wild, you'd believe that too?
Look at the minimal wings/bodywork on the LM. Compare that to a Dodge Viper ACR. Look at the top speed. 225mph from ~650hp. Top speed of ACR with ~650hp: 175mph due to drag.
And you are saying the F1 has even more downforce than the ACR?

By that logic a Mustang GT500 will produce more downforce than any car because even with 750hp it does only 200mph.

I think motortrend may have tested its downforce figures before giving the figures.Originally this exact same publication was done by CAR Mag in 1999.
Also F1 LM has huge wings and ACR has none.If ACR has 600bhp vs 680 of LM.

And topspeed is independent of downforce,it is drag and drag coefficient that matters.I have taken this course in engineering.Anyways that was only my opinion in real life anything can happen who knows?

So if motortrend said that the African elephant is the fastest animal in the wild, you'd believe that too?

It wouldnt.

Again, You could put porsche GT2 tires on an F1 LeMans, (The STreet Version) And it would still lose to the P1, it is just not fast enough(I know crazy) The only thing it has thats superior, Is weight, But the car is QUITE a handful.

Actually I doubt that P1 will beat F1 LM with modern tires or GT2 tires.Also I don't know which one would win unless I drive one.

F1 LM also has superior downforce when compared to P1 remember F1 LM generates enough downforce to run upside down at 100mph(equal to its weight) according to motortrend issue but P1 does only 600kg at 150mph if I am correct
http://www.motortrend.com/news/2000-mclaren-f1-supercar/

HU=HUMID FOR BELOW LAPTIMES

this is a list of mclaren f1 gtr(shorttail) laps
with conditions taken from racingsportscars.com/
TRACK LENGTH TIME
SUZUKA 5864M 2:02.502(C,HO,HU)
MONZA 5800M 1:43.045(H0)
PAUL RICHARD 5813M 1:53.270(CO)
JARAMA 3850M 1:30.053(HO)
ANDERSTORP 4025M 1:28.408(C0)
NOGARO 3636M 1:27.944(C,C0)
ZHUHAI 4320M 1:31.886
SPA 6974M 2:17.281(HO)
BRANDS HATCH 4184M 1:22.110(HO)
LE MANS 13600M 3:48.264(HO)
NURBURGRING 4542M 1:37.550(CO)
HO=HOT,CO=COLD,C=CLOUDY IF NO SYMBOL IS USED THEN IT IS IDEAL CONDITION. use it to compare with mclaren p1 laptimes.i dont think p1 will ever beat f1 gtr

it may have faster acceleration as it is geared for faster acceleration in sacrifice of its topspeed.mclaren themselves used to say.

Mate just what are you smokin?

F1 GTR will NOT have superior acceleration. Lmao

it is commonsense that all f1 gtr are road legal today as after they were no longer eligible for races and could not remain competitive with the then new clk gtr,911gt1,clk lm,etc.they were converted for road use.in road legalisation it will loose most of its performance as a racecar like grip.besides p1 will not beat f1 gtr(except 95 version) even with slicks in a race track.f1 gtr has superior acceleration,better downforce only thing which is lower is its topspeed which is barely 198mph(longtail) and 211mph(96 gtr). besides 96 f1 gtr was based on f1 lm not standard f1 like 95 gtr.so most of supercars can beat a p1(whether it is a veyron,458 italia,aventador,f1 lm,f1 gt,etc).by the way which f1 will have better handling f1 gt or f1 lm?

Again, You could put porsche GT2 tires on an F1 LeMans, (The STreet Version) And it would still lose to the P1, it is just not fast enough(I know crazy) The only thing it has thats superior, Is weight, But the car is QUITE a handful.

I'm sorry. putting road legal tires on to a F1 GTR doesn't make it immediately road legal. But it should still be very fast because of it's power to weight and bits of aero.

I remember that reached nearly 380km/h at Mulsanne straight on 1995.

wow, did the F1 have 1500hp? Chicanes were added in 1990 bud. The F1 GTR page on wiki is WRONG by 100kph. =/

From Wikipedia. 1995 Le mans fastest trap speed in qualifying, 281kph by F1 GTR.

2 years later, the fastest speed recorded by ANY car was 326kph, and it wasn't an F1.

There is no way an F1 can out sprint a P1 in a straight line. The P1's brakes aren't the best but I'm pretty sure brake technology has improved a hell of a lot.

and remember mclaren f1 gtr used to accelerate from 0-60mph in 2.1s and 0-100mph in 4.3s.the 1995 gtr was fastest in terms of strainght line speed,1996 gtr only has a topspeed of 211mph and 1997 longtail gtr has topspeed of only 198mph.race drivers themselves said that old gt1 cars were slightly faster in track than todays gt3 class.but better lap of longtail indicates that f1 lm and f1 gt can beat p1 with modern tires not f1

mclaren f1 gtr longtail did 47.52 on goodwood hillclimb on road tires
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2RaWswWqCLI
whereas mclaren p1 only did 53s
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2RaWswWqCLI
so even with slicks it wont beat f1 gtr since it is a racecar being converted to road use.

With racing slicks P1 would whoop F1 GTR racecar. Doesn't matter that GTR is a racecar and P1 is roadcar.

I doubt that mate.
Maybe at Monza where the track is mostly straight line and chicanes. But even there, the F1 GTR Race car should have better brakes,racing suspension and more top speed. I remember that reached nearly 380km/h at Mulsanne straight on 1995.

As a car for excitement or value, he LM version is much more better. But for track use. No way man.

I compare it to how the much heavier and less powerful C7 corvette was as fast as the carrera GT which was faster than the normal mclaren F1.

F1, Fe LeMans, F1 GT, They would get killed by an Aventador SuperVeloce round a track, Theres no questioning it.

And nobody here is saying its slow, And nobody is dishonoring it, But your making it out to be MUCH faster then it really is.

"About P1 vs LM we can't say for sure because F1 LM wasn't ever seriously tested on track. But F1 GTR would be faster then P1 for sure, it's purpose built racecar, and you can see it on laptimes, for example laguna seca: p1 - 1:30, F1 GTR -1:20."
sorry but that lap was for the longtail version which was based on f1 gt.but i think that it can beat aventador sv on tracks.
besides mclaren f1 nurburgring lap is shown on this site which may be hard for you to believe
sps-automotive.com/en_sps/track/07Nt_zonda.html
sps automotive is a car dealer in hong kong so i think they may be telling the truth.
if i had the f1 lm or standard f1,first thing i will do is test it in nurburgring by pro driver and release its lap time with video for you to believe of it as it deserves a lot of honour