McLaren MP4-12C lap time at Rockingham International Super Sportscar

what ever you say luque,i will just keep posting facts i am given in good faith,you keep posting information you keep finding,do you really think it matters,i keep saying customer car against customer car,i hope you agree on that.
i have said it wasnt a good idea to send out PP cars,and they got shot in the foot .
But i assure you will be proven wrong in the end,its only just a matter of time,just try to keep yourself calm its not life and death

Isn't it quite revealing when a company has to inform you that your car would be faster than the ones handed to the magazines? And less defective?
At least you don't get such customer information from Ferrari.

Any car manufacturer with its test drivers would be capable of improving a lap time of a magazine's direct comparison where the number of laps is limited, the driver has little time to adapt etc.

@Tim
You are my favorite .
I like the way you are calling troll who is not lined up for McLaren or how you are collecting over the net very reliable information, see 458 press car ride height. Nice one. Bravo.
Well as I ask you, explain to us, poor lesser beings.
Give us the proofs we are wrong, but from Car magazine source. You are English so it will not difficult for you have magazine scans. I am waiting here.
I can not call reliable source a carmaker declaring to have torque nuts problem on its PACC and coming back the day after with three cars. Not only the fixed one. We have not seen any GPS and Car magazine, correctly, reported only laps with Ben Collins and with did no see any video/image of Collins lap with pzero corsa.
As you know Ferrari has very big problems to get orders due its lack of communication with customers.
Ferrari 2011 first quarter results 2001 turnover 491 MIO euro (+18,6% to 2010) and 1.691 cars delivered (+6,7% to 2010).
I wonder who is the troll writing here.

p.s. those 2 non negative comments where about colour...

@tim: i've read everything EMVE posted on there and counted exactly 2 comments that were NOT negative, subjective wining of someone with all the makings of a troll. So yes, bad idea to use anything that character writes as foundation for a comment.

luque you are getting desparate,if you are using EMVE as proof,everyone can look on mclarenlife and see he is a troll,exactly what i said in my last post,you read it so therefore it is true.

luque so touchy!,ferrari never have any communication with their customers,have you ever been one? i have,you are treated almost with contempt ,the reason that some 12c customers have so called defected is because this.At Mclaren you are treated the right way and are given all the information you need,usually before the press,and i have never been mislead by them,but i have by other manufacturers therefore i do not trust them.
Again as for the average lap time this was conveyed to me by email direct from the factory,it was an average because after fixing the car ,they went back the next day with 3 cars and did a warm up lap with each a flying lap and a cooldown lap,registering 1.27:5 to 1.28:1,so they averaged it up,ben collins was invited back but had commitments,but 2 car mag journos were there and were handed the GPS for proof,which they put in the end of the article as 1.28:00.
The thing is luque i do get info direct from source,all you have is an opinion which you get from the net,there is a difference

@woody
I was not there, this is what have been told.

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1765&postcount=96

@Fastestlaps: no it cannot be turned off as it is necessary to make the car turn in at high entry speeds (aka braking the wheels to kill understeer). It is integral part of the handling set-up of the car as much as Ferrari's E-diff.

@Luque: from the info i have read Collins only drove the car incl the problem in the hydraulics because that wasn't diagnosed untill after the Carmagazine test. So his lap with Corsa tyres was also with the sub-optimal functioning suspension.. The laptime McLaren claimed IS after fixing it and with corsa tyres and the fact that its quite a bit faster could indicate there was indeed a problem with the car Collins drove... He's quite a respected racecardriver and racing instructor so it would be odd if a McLaren testdriver was 1.2 seconds faster with the same car on the same track.

Only its the customers that get shafted,and in the real world its not important enough for honesty to prevail .

So Ferrari sells cars fooling customers ? Ask How many Ferrari onwers are interested to lap times.
I have never heard about Ferrari or Porsche customers waiting for Top Gear track time or ring time before to confirm car purchasing order.
As I read all days in Mc-Life forum.
Just ridiculous, really

not a fair time seen as car magazine themselves stated in the same magazine that it later did 1:28.00 after it was fully fixed

Tim explain us, poor stupid people, why Ben Collins, once received a MP4 fully fixed and with P-Zero Corsa, did 1:29,24 so only 0,9s better than his previous time with normal P-Zero and PACC not working correctly ? And How it's possible Mc laren tester achieved 1:27,5 with same car and declared an average time of 1:28,0 (average of what ?)
I tell you a nice tale.
Ferrari, after loosing a track comparo with few competitors, said the car was damaged. Than, after few days it brought back the car and improved lap time by more 2,5s and 1,7s faster than best lap of a professional driver who had the same fixed car to drive again.

Well, How does it sound with Ferrari name in it ?

there is a post by an F1 owner (flemke)about the recent mag tests,when a friend turned up in his 458 and parked next to the press car,he was hurriedly asked to move by the engineers as it was obvious to bystanders that the press car was 1,1/2 lower.This man is very well respected by all sections of the automotive industry and dosent seem to have an axe to grind,but jurnos seem to have their hands tied,anyway im also tired of this ,i think the internet will sort this out sooner than latter.

To all 458 Owners. It's enough to lower your car by 1, 1,5 inches (ask to mr Flemke for correct measurement)to largely beat MP4 on track and on the road too as state by all journalists driving both cars.
Thanks to Tim for nice advice.

It should be easy to just allow customers to turn all the aids off. Or does the car depend on electronic adjustments like Eurofighter jet that can't fly without computer?

McLaren has announced to change the steering on customer cars to introduced more feel. Also, they will change the exhaust to add some more audible excitement.. Still it doesn't fix the issues Plato addressed of the esp/brake steer making corrections that he was making himself..therefor resulting in dangerous overcorrecting beyond control..
Seems McLaren has a serious problem there.

@woody,all very good ideas ,but the main problem is the magazines themselves,who have to tow the line or they dont get the cars and then dont get the readership,its just buisness,Only its the customers that get shafted,and in the real world its not important enough for honesty to prevail

@tim and mike b: it would be nice if magazines would record the emission of tested cars and would compare them to real customer cars.. would be next to impossible to cheat with different hp and torque set-ups specifically for press cars then.

mike,it might be a suggestion,even as a MAC FAN,to remove the ferrari headline at the top of the front page, i find it amusing and sometimes quite truefull,but it is quite inflammatory,and since the 12c came along,it has become more of a stick to beat people with,as i said the truth will come out anyway in the next few months with more customer laptimes,and customer cars against customer cars

Ferrari have OEM adjustable ride height for more than 20 years.

It doesn't look exceptionally low,

The thing is, there's nothing telling us that McLaren doesn't do the same, after all, their car has a turbo engine.

anyway, you're right, it's getting annoying, whatever the truth is, time will reveal it sooner or later.