17 Alfa Romeo Giulia QV beats Ferrari Enzo and Carrera GT at Vairano

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Alfa Romeo four door family sedan just beat the fastest Ferrari and Porsche you could buy in 2006.

July issue of Italian Quattroroute magazine includes full instrumented test of Fiat group's "M3 killer" Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Verde.

As usual, Quattroroute, test included timed runs at Autodromo di Vairano handling course.

Not only did Giulia QV beat former "crown jewels" of Porsche and Ferrari, it also became the fastest 4-door car to ever lap Vairano, beating the previous record holder Maserati Quattroporte V8 by nearly 3 seconds!

This is also only second lap time we have for the Giulia QV, first being the Nürburgring time, which also used to be a 4 door record, before Porsche edged it by 1 seond with the second generation Panamera Turbo.

7y ago by FastestLaps
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Murmur  6y ago

Help! What is the issue date / name for this Quattroroute magazine?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dedethecollector/albums/72157669416552340
Is "Sportive & Cabrio" separate publication?

"Sportive & Cabrio" is a separate publication, but it is issued together with the July issue of Quattroruote and priced an additional 2 Euros.


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FastestLaps  6y ago

Mafalda, when you say Vairano was modified in 2005, what kind of mods they were? Resurfacing, changed kerbs etc or major change in the layout itself?


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biscione  6y ago

it is certainly not in favour of fca. that is why i wrote it is unfortunate they are not. i did not know about heavy sponsorizing by vag. this explains why few years back QR used to cut and paste auto motor und sport comparison tests. in one of them D-segment cars were compared and the first 4 cars in the ranking were germans...lol...director was "tedeschini" back then, a name with a meaning...
however, if you look at QR lap times, i would say that, compared to all the other car magazines, they seem to be much more plausible. The big problem is the track itself, which vastly favours 4wd cars, and it is not at all useful to test 300kmh capable cars.

Totally agree!
VAG is the main advertiser on Quattroruote, but also other german manufacturer are massively present on the pages of the magazine with their advertising.
About the track, I also agree. Due to its shape, it is better for 4wd cars.
It is not the best place to test supercars.
Fca has not a bad treatement on the magazine, that's true. But when they talk about VAG cars Quattroruote is often shameless. This not happens when they talk about FCA cars.


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manone  6y ago

I'm italian, and I often read Quattroruote: believe me, it is definitely not in favour of FCA!

it is certainly not in favour of fca. that is why i wrote it is unfortunate they are not. i did not know about heavy sponsorizing by vag. this explains why few years back QR used to cut and paste auto motor und sport comparison tests. in one of them D-segment cars were compared and the first 4 cars in the ranking were germans...lol...director was "tedeschini" back then, a name with a meaning...
however, if you look at QR lap times, i would say that, compared to all the other car magazines, they seem to be much more plausible. The big problem is the track itself, which vastly favours 4wd cars, and it is not at all useful to test 300kmh capable cars.


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Hulk  6y ago

I am Italian too... and also fca has a good treatment on quattroruote


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biscione  6y ago

To be considered that QR is by far the most unbiased magazine out there, unfortunately for italian brands, which they really deserved some friendly press.

Quattroruote is heavily sponsored by VAG group: Audi and VW are the most intrusive advertising on the magazine!
Quattroruote director, Gianluca Pellegrini, tried to justify VAG for the "dieselgate", trying to minimize what they did.
I'm italian, and I often read Quattroruote: believe me, it is definitely not in favour of FCA!


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biscione  6y ago

the alfa was about 180kg underweighted and they used slick tyers. Wait until a regular productioncar gets tested. it will be Close behind m3 and c63 AMG.

The car was standard, was a regular production unit. It is obvious you've never read the test report, nor the article. So, why do you post some stupid statements? Quattroruote never test non-stock cars. Sorry.


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FastestLaps  6y ago

Help! What is the issue date / name for this Quattroroute magazine?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dedethecollector/albums/72157669416552340

Is "Sportive & Cabrio" separate publication?


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manone  6y ago

About Giulia Vs Enzo and CGT, Varano was modified in late 2005, and it's surely faster, about 1s

yeah, but also fugazza is a faster pilot then giani, (and enzo was on much worse tyres than giulia qv). all in all, they are incomparable


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mabuse  6y ago

the alfa was about 180kg underweighted and they used slick tyers. Wait until a regular productioncar gets tested. it will be Close behind m3 and c63 AMG.


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Mafalda  6y ago

About Giulia Vs Enzo and CGT, Varano was modified in late 2005, and it's surely faster, about 1s


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R8 LMS Ultra  7y ago

Hey but I find it weird when sometimes people believe what magazine says and sometimes don't like in this thread.When I said F1 LM produces enough downforce to run upside down at 100mph,I have even calculated the figure using wing dimensions.It was even said by Andy Wallace who was the test driver.
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/7jurbt6keb9z

Just because a car has low topspeed doesn't mean that it will have higher downforce, take saleen S7 for that example it produces DF equal to its weight at 160mph but still does more than 200mph and has more DF than Viper ACR.

IMO laptimes should only be compared when they are done in same day by same driver because a degree or 2 of temperature can easily affect a laptime by 1 or 2s.It sounds crazy when I hear Guilia beats CGT and Enzo.

But then again I don't believe magazines are biased,they do their best to get fastestlap.


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saxy  7y ago

this really doesn't come as a surprise to me, given how the heavier less powerful 458 is just as fast as an Enzo, and we've seen the F80 M3 approach its laptimes. Add more power, adaptive dampers, stickier tires and this car could beat an enzo on twisty tracks as well. And we know this Guilia is much more track focused than an M3.


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manone  7y ago

even for the launching of enzo, several journalists have been invited at fiorano to test the car and they have been timed. needel was all proud to have been tha fastest in 1.29 (if i correctly remember), just 4 secs off benuzzi 's reference. but yes, it is well known that even fiorano does not make justice at all to cars starting from the power levels of enzo.


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Freakz  7y ago

Carlos (ex Motor Trend Journalist) was giving the opportunity to set a laptime in the LaFerrari at Fiorano. He was only 2 sec slower than Raffaele di Simone (Ferrari's test driver) so I believe not all of their lap times are bogus.


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FastestLaps  7y ago

Useless track? Well, its more useful than Fiorano, where it seems like Ferrari PR department has a meeting once a new Ferrari comes out and decide what the best laptime would be to fit the new model perfectly in the Ferrari hierarchy.


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manone  7y ago

vairano is a useless track. it is in the same league as topgear's, sportauto's hockenheim config, bedford, cones in a parking lot, etc...
To be considered that QR is by far the most unbiased magazine out there, unfortunately for italian brands, which they really deserved some friendly press.
these results should be taken with a huge benefit of the doubt. not saying that giulia is not the quickest sedan out there, just saying that this laptime does not prove it is quicker than supercars as enzo on track. pilot has changed, track conditions is different and track itself does not show much of cars fine tuned to perform at 200+kmh.