EU laws from Brussel ruined plenty of potential cars, like the RS5 B10 and the M5 G90. The big 3 German car makers are struggling to even offer something remotely engaging and fun on ICE side. They lose millions upon millions on their new model it has no sign of aspiration let alone electrification. That's the reason they will turbocharge the GT3RS.

To outsiders it makes no sense, but if you see how "unwelcome" BEVs are to most and how bad our infrastructure is, I can see why they wanna keep it alive and with big power to make up for its weight. Which is, ironically, trying to fixing a problem that shouldn't have been in the first place.

As for efficiency: we aren't good at that. Diesels dominated our market, and economy hybrid cars are mainly foreign here. If they ever make a hybrid in Germany, it's strapped to a 1.4 liter that can't rival Toyota's 1.8 N/A engines in efficiency let alone reliability, or to a big V6 diesel at Mercedes. It doesn't work well.

perfectly sums up the demise of the German auto industry. Rules that make no sense and are making them head to self destruction.

Audi isn’t trying to compete with BMW, and definitely not the A5 with the 3 or 4 Series. They’re just lazy af. The A5 is just a lot bigger than before and now competes more closely with the 5 Series. The A6 is now competing more closely with the 8 Series.

Mate wake up. This RS5 is DIRECT competitior to M3 2026 which will be 2400 kg elephant. They are not lazy, oh not, RS5 B10 is absurdly complicated art of engineering but also pain is brown hole in repairing.

Whenever you see a comment like "X is a Y competitor now" it's probably hostboy

who is hostboy, never heard of him before...plus, car guys do comparisons all the time. I love reading into specs, maybe you should too. BMW already said no electric M3

lol anyways, do you really ****ing think BMW would screw up like Audi and MB did and make their M3 an all steel pig

Their M3 will be smaller M5, so we will see 2400 kg M3. RS5 is not steel pig, its hybrid aluminium body, same as merc and future M3.

These three cars will be ~2400 kg pigs, Audi probably will be ~100 kg lighter than bmw.

Audi is very clearly paying you for this comment. They’re making an iM3 and soon a hybrid M3, but even a PHEV M3 won’t be THAT heavy. BMW isn’t stupid. Yes their new M5 is sort of an outlier but even then, the RS5 is much worse for its “size.” A “compact” that weighs 2400 kg, weighs much more than that last C63 AMG. Audi isn’t anywhere near as disciplined or consistent as Porsche or BMW. What’s funny is that Mercedes-Benz is actually more of a competitor to JDM Toyota (Lexus) or maybe a Cadillac, yet it is FAR more disciplined than all but BMW and Porsche. They appeal to older folks. Yet they’re VERY flexible at the same time. An E-Class is like a RWD Avalon, while a 5 Series is like a 4-door Supra.

LMAO...and Mercedes got a lot of hate for making their 680hp C63 2165kg... and somehow this RS5 isn't a pig.

Mercedes got a lot of hate for 4 cylinders in C63 not the weight.

Last M3 was 130 kg heavier than RS5. Audi chassis is lighter just in natural way due to quattro layout, wake up. New M3 2026 will be probably as same fat as M5 minus this additional metal sheets due to bigger car, which weights almost nothing in compare to hybrid system. So by M5, we almost know 100% how new M3 will look. Anyway time will show. Merc made 2200 kg, inline 4 hybrid, Audi made 2350 kg, V6, a LOT better and more efficient hybrid, now its time for BMW.

I dont care about Audi or Bmw, they are non existent for me, when they doing 2400 kg cars. I want 1600 kg RS5 coupe with 2700 mm wheelbase.

This RS5 is pig as hell. But 2200 kg inline 4, C63 was abomination.

still much lighter than this and more powerful

No near. C63 inline 4 with this outdated hybrid system is abomination. Better to have 2350 kg C63 with inline 6 and same hybrid as this audi. Start thinking logical.

the next top model is rumoured to have a non-hybrid I6, though called the C53 since the C63 nameplate is getting retired

We should hope, but i really doubt about it. We will have Rs5/C63/M3, 2400 kg hybrids.

To accommodate the PPE platform's more complex hybrid setup, the thermal management system has become a complete mess. More lines, more complexity—it's just plain stupid. Less is more, right? Can't we just scrap all this junk? EU emission regulations are some wankers🤣🤣🤣

The RS5 also has less trunk space than your average Golf now

That is a good point. In fact, in testing, the hybrid C63 achieved basically the same fuel economy results as the V8 version. Mercedes could have kept the V8 and built a car that was more entertaining, plus less expensive to build and maintain.

A5 competes with the 5-series? A6 competes with the 8-series? Just lmao.