57 Bugatti Chiron - a new Bugatti for a new decade

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It's finally here - the long awaited replacement for the incredible Bugatti Veyron.

It's hard to believe that Veyron is already 11 years old - think what you were and what you did 11 years ago. People change and get older, Bugattis don't.

The 1500 Chiron may not shock us the way that 1000 Veyron did in 2005, but design goal for Chiron was to make luxury performance car that was complete in all areas and not just win in horsepower wars.

In my book, Bugatti Veyron was still the lion of supercar kingdom. There was no car that could produce more than 1000 horsepower with reliability and longevity like Veyron did. Koenigsegg Agera comes close, but is still a high-strung sportscar with only 8 cylinders (yes, cylinder count does matter a lot!). Latest batch of hybrid hypercars simply don't have the power, even when compared to the basic Veyron - the old bog-standard one with wind-up windows, no carpets, cloth seats and miserable 1001 PS.

As more details on Bugatti Chiron come out, it will be interesting to learn about engineering solutions in cooling, construction materials and transmission design, and how 10 years of progress made 1000 horsepower more accessible and sustainable.

5y ago by FastestLaps
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DDriver  5y ago

@saxy F1 engines were downsizing in 80s turbo era too (1200hp was common)


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BR2+  5y ago

I dont see a point in limiting power, There just gonna keep making the cars faster and faster, Power is one of, If not THE easiest way to make a car faster, Depending on what kind of 'Fast' you want, Thas like trying to make water wetter...........wait...


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FastestLaps  5y ago

I think its very simple - you tend to have less cylinders with turbo engines because you get more power per displacement. Requirement for extra strength (turbos produce more torque) maybe also plays a role


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saxy  5y ago

no. the reason why F1 kept downsizing was to limit power output in general.


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DDriver  5y ago

@FastestLaps
True, it's always compromise. But more moving parts, more friction -> more resistance to overcome -> more stress. There is a reason why with turbocharging the number of cylinders always went down in F1


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BR2+  5y ago

Beefier doesnt mean heavier, That has to do with the materials its made out of


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FastestLaps  5y ago

Beefy piston = heavy piston = strong power pulses = more stress for rods and crankshaft and bearings = lower rpm ceiling

Theres always compromises.


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saxy  5y ago

Simple. More hp per displacement means parts are pushed harder. "No replacement for displacement" haha


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BR2+  5y ago

I think that explanation, Is only Half right.


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DDriver  5y ago

@lafar
I'm not buying your explanation. More components - more things to fail. Plus if you have less cylinders, you make them bigger, means pistons are beefier and, thus, more stress resistant


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BR2+  5y ago

It better be reliable ff im paying 10 lifetimes of money for it.


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lafars  5y ago

More cylinders means smaller cylinders, smaller cylinders give you less vibration for the same amount of power. Of course, other factors such as the layout of cylinders and crankshaft etc. all affect vibration

there is another factor to this, internal stresses on engine components

let's say that a koenigsegg and a chiron was running IDENTICAL power from their engine constructed with IDENTICAL meterials on the internals, then the chiron would be running with less strain on the components as it needs less boost and given that the laws of physics usually works in squared then i'm guessing the chiron would be 4x as reliable


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BR2+  5y ago

I completely agree, Subjective is the perfect word


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saxy  5y ago

It's all subjective. I think it's certainly more luxurious than a Mclaren P1, which has a steering wheel, some buttons and a touch screen. 60% of the horsepower and costing some $2million now. Materials like leather, there's all kinds of leather. you can get a cheap $20 leather watch. For a decent watch with a stainless steel buckle, you're looking at around $100. But then weirdly the $500k super rich watches are almost always gonna be leather strapped. And that leather will be super duper fine and exotic.

we wouldn't know how exquisite those materials are unless we see, touch them in person. Like Salo... he said he was saying Regera > Chiron hands down when he was going to the autoshow. seeing in person he says, hell no, Chiron >> Regera.


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BR2+  5y ago

@DD

Gadgets and gizmos dont equal luxury, Super Expensive materials dont equal luxury, The best materials dont equal luxury, Shiny doesnt equal luxury, Rich doesnt equal luxury, I think Luxury in most people minds, Is a SEVERE lack of Knowing and extremely overrated, Hell you give a guy a Dodge Challenger when all he has ever known is Radicals, Thats luxury to him, I think luxury is quite different then mosts notions, A good sound system, Comfy seats, great AC,Thats luxury to me, Hell some people think Ambrosia is the most luxurious and delicious food for the rich, Give me a good arse bacon and egg pie and some oj, And im eating like a fkn king! Thats luxury

@Sax

That is true an S doesnt have all that, Could though lol But either way, If your gonn toss a price tag of 2 million, Theres no excuse for looking like crap, Not saying it looks like carp, Or bad at all, But for THAT price, it should look a WHOLE lot better, Yes you get 1500bhp and an awesome looking car, But for a "Luxury" marque, Its a supreme letdown, 1500bhp is just meh to me, Plus most people wont even use it, But an interior people actually use, I just think they could have been a whole lot better.


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DDriver  5y ago

@BR2+
You have a strange notion of luxury. "Gadgets and Gizmos != luxury". I'm sure Bugatti uses top notch materials.

Bugatti power delivery requires a lot of cooling. I wonder how Koenigsegg is still light. Was there any independent test that weighted Agera?

By the way, some of the journalists reported that Chiron was tuned to actually oversteer. If that's true, this car would be the greatest


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saxy  5y ago

That's cuz an S class doesn't have 1500hp and a V16 quad turbo. If it did it would weigh more than 3 tons to pull off the same "luxury" standards the current one boasts

Yeah u can get leather and aluminum in a Kia, but the rest of the 90% is plastic. Keggs and Pagani are of course more bonkers. The Chiron is more Aston than Zonda.

And... They probably did cheap out. They lost a lot of money with their scandal haha. But I think it's not that bad. Still a lot nicer than my car


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BR2+  5y ago

There wont be a huge difference in weight from what i have been hearing, its somewhere between 90kg heavier, And 260kg lighter then the Veyron, Which i dont know where that big diff in weight has actually came from, But we will find out soon, Plus even an S class or 7 Series doesnt weigh 3 tons, 1000lbs off, But close enuff. Plus this has plenty of sound deadening, And im sure with that screen in there, Theres some form of entertainment, Hell there better be for that price, And Ohh Aluminium and leather lol You can get that in a Kia, But overall i think it is extremely plain for what it is, Its almost like they copied a bit from McLaren, Atleast with a Koenigsegg or Pagani you get the crazy looking alien shite.


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saxy  5y ago

I actually find the interior quite nice. Aluminum and leather. Of course it's not S class or 760i like. You'd need the car to weigh 3 tons if you're gonna go that far (massage seats, fridge, tv screens, sound deadening.


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BR2+  5y ago

Damn thas right, I keep forgetting about those gauge sat navs, Im so used to seeing them on the dash.

Still though, For what it is, And the insane price it costs, The interior isnt up to par, You get a better looking interior and more options on a CTS-V and 760LI, For 2 million pounds you would expect MUCH more.