17 Electric VW beats Nio EP9 and sets Nürburgring track record

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The VW I.D. R prototype race car, originally developed for Pikes Peak hillclimb, with Romain Dumas behind the wheel, set a 6:05.336 lap time, beating previous electric car record by 40 seconds.

That previous record was held by Chinese Tesla wannabe Nio and their Ep9 supercar. Nio, by the way, just like Tesla, are experiencing economic troubles, having expanded too quickly in the electric car boom years. Comes with the territory of being "Tesla-like", I suppose.

As "I.D. R" is not legal to drive on roads, we will not see it in the Nürburgring ranking.

It also has ugly and confusing name and you probably wouldn't want to see it on top of the laptime list anyway.

 

2w ago by FastestLaps
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manone  2w ago

this time was easily expected. idr still remains the quickest car on earth on tracks with lots of tight corners, for precise technical reasons.

 

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FastestLaps  2w ago

The bottleneck must have been battery capacity and/or heat management of some component(s). The 919 EVO lap is in different league. I think it also has more suitable aerodynamics for road racing circuits. ID R is more like a compact rally car / hillclimber.


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manone  2w ago @FastestLaps

battery capacity


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SpeedKing  2w ago @FastestLaps

Battery heat management seemed to be the ID.R's biggest issue given it struggled to reach 250 km/h on the lengthy main straight.


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manone  2w ago @SpeedKing

the car has been built to break pikes peak record, hence the battery has the capacity tailored for that. hard to say if they limited the speed at dottinger hohe because of heat buildup or running out of juice. I lean towards running out of juice since at pikes peak they hardly slew down at the end.
Anyhow, one way to address heat build up is by increasing battery capacity, hence the two things are related.


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manone  2w ago @FastestLaps

idr is hardly a rally car, lol, what are you talking about??

the reason why it is so quick on hillclimbs has absolutely nothing to do
with the slope of the road, like a well known forum clown keeps submitting,
but just with the hairpins and tight corners those roads are full of. Thus on any road with those features, this car will be unbeatable (curious to see 919 evo vs idr on such a track).


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SpeedKing  2w ago @manone

Big temperature difference between Pikes Peak ie. 10-15 deg C and Nurburgring significantly aids battery cooling so heat is far less an issue. I suspect it's a combo of mostly heat and some battery power loss responsible for slow speed down the straight. Increasing battery capacity means more weight which is problematic.


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manone  2w ago @SpeedKing

"Increasing battery capacity means more weight which is problematic."

yep. Nio 9 is basically just that: an engine-beefed up idr with a huge battery
for long range road usability and decreased performance as consequence.


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HighGear  1w ago @SpeedKing

The 919 Evo reached around 227mph early on the Dottinger Hohe, I think, and then maintained it.


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SpeedKing  1w ago @HighGear

The gearing they used maxed out at 229 mph and no problems with battery restrictions :P


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HighGear  4d ago @SpeedKing

I don't usually like gearing limitations, but the higher final drive ratio must have improved acceleration. Just speculation, but perhaps these are the following specs:
0-60mph: 1.7s
0-100mph: 3.8s
0-186mph: >12s?
0-200mph: >16s
If only someone could do an instrumented test.


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FastestLaps  2w ago

While everyone is salivating, dare I declare this a loss, as they failed to cross the epic border of 6:00?

 

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SpeedKing  2w ago

Didn't quite have the staying power of an ICE engine it would appear...


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Wealllovecars  2w ago

How is this a fail.... it shows that a battery powered car can go the full ring as the second fastest time ever...


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SpeedKing  2w ago @Wealllovecars

Yes it did one lap of the Ring with an impressive time however it lost power in the last 3 miles(intentionally or otherwise) which tells me that it wasn't able to complete one lap on full power.


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FastestLaps  2w ago @Wealllovecars

I am just talking shit


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Mark  1w ago @SpeedKing

Wait so f1 cars do the whole race in qualifying engine mode do they?