53 Is the Honda Civic Type-R Nürburgring Nordschleife front wheel drive record legit?

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I really don't know what to do with this time. In 2014 Honda already made a questionable claim at the FWD Nürburgring glory when they ran pre-production version of the FK2 and recorded 7 minute and 50 second lap.

This latest announcement of 7:43.8 for the facelifted FK2 looks like more of the same type of marketing deception.

By their own admission, this is a lap time recorded by a car in "final phase of testing regime", which basically means "free-for-all" in undisclosed mods, such as weight reduction, power boost or "extra special" rubber.

Is the subtle footnote of "pre-production version in final stages of testing" going to be a trend for other manufacturer's records in future?

In that case we will have a really difficult time trusting any information that comes from manufacturers.

 

3y ago by FastestLaps
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FastestLaps  7m ago

Love the "Video unavailable. This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated.". Just shows what a heavily censored, cancerous shithole YouTube is.


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McDrive  7m ago

Sooo... Megane does 7:40 we cheer, but honda does 7:43 it's fake?


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Fastedee  3y ago

It's too bad Honda aren't allowed this sleight of hand in F1 or maybe one of the greatest in drivers in history wouldn't have a 12th place as his only finish out of five races.



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BR2+  3y ago

This new reply system is becoming very confusing.


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BR2+  3y ago

The fact isheet, They cheated, There's really no debating about it, We have all said a cage is fine, It's for safety, But stripping car essentials is not, And again, 166mph on the straight yet a 400bhp Carrera S is more powerful, Lighter, More aerodynamic and with a dct and faster achieved the same? No way in hell.

However, Another question remains, Tyrespecially, I don't no the type or compound, But I've only heRd people throw out MPSC2s on this site, I've no idea, but if that really is the case then 5s should be more like 10s, But then again the last one tested wasn't stock either, So the estimated timing would be off.

Either way, The simple fact is, That completely removing the seats and center console, is not legit, No matter of the cage.


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sroser  3y ago

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James  3y ago

Just show me a real production car driven by independent driver below 8min and Honda (and driver ) will get all my respect!


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James  3y ago

In the "supertest " the old Civic R production car die 8.15min by c. Gebhard. Top speed Döttinger Höhe was 234kmh. Peproduction record car with 7.50min had 270kmh Döttinger Höhe...
Engine Settings. Car Settings Camber etc.. we all dont know.

This actual record is about the same. Honda deleted my fact based Comment on their YouTube Channel. That says all to me!!


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FastestLaps  3y ago

Long power outage today and site was offline for about 6 hours. Meanwhile heated debate here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrrR56zHh4o. Honda fanboys and apologists in full force :D


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Freeda Bees  3y ago

I think, given the speeds and pace involved, that lap times like this shouldn't be accepted if they were set without a roll cage. It is irresponsible to think that it should be acceptable, and expected, that someone be able to buy a car from a dealer, drive it to Nordschleife and try and match this time without first fitting a roll cage.


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BR2+  3y ago

I dunno what kind of roll cage it has, Nor do I no the material it is made with, Nor do I no if it's just inside or actually straight bolted to the chassis, As for tyres, That also, I've herd a few things but nothing solid, But I don't see why they would put such a tyre as the MPSC2s on this car as the actual production model.

But the fact remains, No seats except driver, And stripped Center console, That alone should be enough to have it removed, Unless that stuff is actually on the production car or as n option, Which I highly doubt t.

Also, Does anybody else find it weird that a 320bhp manual car hit 166mph on the longest straight? That's roughly 5mph off what a Z28 hit and 1mph off what a 400bhp Carrera S with PDK hit...


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FastestLaps  3y ago

One fool on my video comments that "rollcage is heavier than back seat and AC" and therefore it is OK for Honda to call that production time lol


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DrDuke  3y ago

last gen type r had conti 6 tires this one has cup2 - record sounds legit


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BR2+  3y ago

Considering it did it with no Center console, And removed passenger seats, And supposed questionable stock tyres, It should be deleted, A roll cage is fine, There on a dangerous track pushing the car it's understandable, But taking out all what was listed I don't see those equaling the roll cage weight, Depending on the type of cage and material it was made of, Either way they cheated plain n simple So should be deleted.


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FastestLaps  3y ago

My thoughts:

 


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Art0  3y ago

In addition to that Honda Poland confirmed car was using Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2.


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NIN  3y ago

"The extra weight of the cage was compensated for by the temporary removal of the infotainment system and rear seats." - press release.

Other cars are run with the weight of the cage PLUS their standard weight. Personally, I wouldn't accept the time but it isn't up to me.

I don't like the idea of "removing weight" by removing things that are on every production car. If "no radio/no rear seats" was optional, I'd have no problem with the time.

Dodge went pretty far to get their 1/4 mile time for the Demon so the Civic time will probably be accepted, too. I don't like the trend of manufacturers going "beyond stock" to get impressive stock times. The Demon can be had without optional seats but some of the other things done to the Demon to get the impressive 1/4 mile time were too much.


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hyperspeedd  3y ago

Roll cage installed, no navigation system, no A/C, no rear seats. This is not a production car at all.