41 McLaren Senna easily rewrites Grand Tour Eboladrome lap record

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The Grand Tour is back and with a rather nice introductory Episode 1. This one was a little light on conversation and guests, but quite packed with action and beautiful film-making around the decaying (or transforming?) city of Detroit.

For a season kickoff they also had a new hypercar review by Jeremy Clarkson himself who drove the McLaren Senna around Thruxton and explained the philosophy and purpose behind the ultralight, ultra-high downforce evolution of P1.

Evolution of P1 perhaps is not correct way of describing the Senna, as it appears to not share anything with the P1 other than the engine architecture (flat-plane crank V8 twin turbo) and general engineering building blocks that all McLarens share.

With no doubt, it appears that, like the predecessor P1, McLaren Senna is prone to rewriting record books, at least the books of Fastestlaps.com fastest production road car records.

Like most new hypercars, Senna is precious and hard to source for risky all-out laptime attempts, but, surprisingly, there are already quite a few on this website, and all of them, one wet lap and Anglesey International withstanding, are new records.

What matters is not only to get the record, but the winning margin. Today's Eboladrome run is noteworthy because it improved previous best by 3.9 seconds, which is a lot for 2 kilometer (1.24 mile) track.

1m ago by FastestLaps
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N54Turbo  3w ago

Off topic but some interesting tests here.
Apparently dedethecollector flickr is dead.
M5 Comp. vs GT63S on Sachsenring and acceleration times
GLC63S vs Stelvio test on Sachsenring and acceleration times
Data for FiST, i30N, new Conti GT, 600LT, Vantage, R8 V10, 488 Pista, Aventador SVJ, GT2 RS, ZR1
http://zeitschriftpdf.com/auto-bild-sportscars-januar-2019/


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Ioni  3w ago

Very fast supercar....but the price is too high. With that money you can buy 3 supercars. You can buy the Huracan Performante, the GT2 RS and the AMG GTR PRO. It is amazingly fast...but the look is not that great...and the sound of the engine...same thing. So all this money just for being fast....no way.


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led man  1m ago

the senna will blow away in the wind, also the racing driver senna was in my eyes a bully on track and a cry baby if he couldnt push his way to the front on track. senna reminds me of the modern day mercedes f1 team if we are losing we are cry babies lol.


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hostboy  1m ago

I don't get how the 650S and the 720S share the same laptime >:(

 

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manone  1m ago

yes that is quite strange, but, apparently, the drivers were different. 720 has proved to be very quick even on slow tracks (e.g. Vairano).


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Kagei  2w ago

It was a matter of tire choice. If I recall correctly Corsa for 720S but Trofeo for 650S


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manone  1m ago

totally unrealistic to test the senna 3.5sec/min quicker than a performante on a slow handling track, on any tyres. Quicker yes, but not by such a difference. These three were pricks, are pricks and will always be pricks.

 

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Tyrone1  1m ago

Always be suspicious when lap times are given but never shown. Same problem as original top gear. some lap times just seem too good to be true.
This is one of the only tracks were the Fors Gt outperforms 720s


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Senna wins by a mile  1m ago

Someone is a Lamborghini fanboy


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FastestLaps  1m ago @Tyrone1

What laptime was given but not shown? Senna time was shown.


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Tyrone1  1m ago @FastestLaps

I Meant you get the hotlap time, but you dont see the onboard footage OF the hotlap. Back on top gear there are a lot of cars with suspiciously slow/fast times. For example the old 12c being 3 seconds faster than a 458 despite being slower at many other venues.


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dr. cosimo  1m ago @Tyrone1

bbc show with a bbc car, obvious enough ?

one thing i miss about tg is jeremy going after the vw 911 :)


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Tyrone1  1m ago @dr. cosimo

The trio still have an english Bias i think even if they arent part of BBC. I dont doubt that the Senna is 3.9 seconds faster than the Performante tho. That gap will only increase on a faster circuit like silverstone or spa.


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saxy  1m ago @Tyrone1

The mclaren test track is exactly top gears old track. Of course it was going to be faster there. It was tuned specifically on that track.


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dr. cosimo  1m ago @saxy

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Tyrone1  1m ago @saxy

Come on saxy you must admit something is fishy about that mclaren time. Either it underperformed at all other venues or it was too fast at Top gear. Even The Grand tour admitted they used aggressive tyres on the 650s! I wouldnt be surprised if the 12c IS faster than 458. But that margin is... too much.


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saxy  1w ago

Not really. It’s light, it’s got sticky tires and huge aero. Down the “isn’t” straight, it will be sweeping through at much higher speeds than any of the other cars. That alone could be worth a couple seconds already. Add the insane braking ability and that’s about it.


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manone  1w ago @saxy

if i am not mistaken, senna's tyres are the same as performante's:
trofeos r. aero in such a slow track is not much relevant, if anything, 4wd could be more useful than aerodynamics there, unless the aero car weighs less than like 800-900kgs. i have no figures comparing braking of senna and performante. i think the difference between senna and performante could be 3 secs/minute in a very fast track, with several high-speed corner combinations, but not on a such a slow track. it just is totally unrealistic.


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Tyrone1  1w ago @manone

3.5 seconds per lap isnt that unreasonable. Consider the mclaren is a good 200+ kg lighter than the perf. Boatloads more power and torque. And the brakes are known to be by far the best brakes on the market, almost racecar like.
Even if we assume the performante can match the senna for slow/fast corner speeds (which i doubt considering weight difference) the acceleration and braking power will completely outclass the lamborghini.

Maybe the difference is lesser when a journalist laps the car, since 4wd is easier for lesser drivers, but this is a race car driver. Senna will be probs 5-6 seconds faster on spa or silverstone.


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manone  1w ago @Tyrone1

"3.5 seconds per lap isnt that unreasonable"
per lap? which lap? i am normalizing to the difference per minute,
not per lap.

"Senna will be probs 5-6 seconds faster on spa or silverstone."
on spa yes, maybe even slightly more, but that is a 2.30min lap,
which is less than 2 secs per minute.

"Even if we assume the performante can match the senna for slow/fast corner speeds"
performante will most likely be slightly faster on slow (50-70kph) corners, since it is 4wd, but will be slower on fast (160+ kph) corners due to less downforce (none of these on this track).
in acceleration performante is not outclassed by senna up
200kph and loses 1.5 secs from 200-250 (hence much less than that in terms of track time). i doubt these speeds are even hit on this track.


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John Doe  1w ago @Tyrone1

Actually "an english Bias" is way better than german.
Don't know about you, but I am tired of hypocrisy.


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Tyrone1  5d ago @John Doe

The only laptime i find truly suspicious is the lap from the old 12c on top gear. Otherwise as i have stated i have no doubt the senna is that much faster than the performante. Their bias is mostly harmless


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jeremy  1m ago

There’s a GT3 but no GT2?


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jeremy  1m ago

There’s a GT3 but no GT2?


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saxy  1m ago

Honestly this was what the P1 was supposed to be all along since mclaren said they wanted to make the fastest most driver focused supercar ever.


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benni275  1m ago

Impressive time! But the 720s seems to be a bit slow compared to that...


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lafars  1m ago

it's worth noting that the Vulcan didn't have a good launch due to lack of launch control, if the Vulcan and Senna had done a flying lap then there would've maybe be a different result