79 Mercedes claim new production car Nürburgring lap record

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Mercedes AMG have released on-board video of their latest "halo car" Mercedes-Benz AMG GT Black Series lapping Nürburgring Nordschleife in 6 minutes and 48 seconds - faster than any road legal series production car, including the Aventador SVJ.

The amusing part about this lap record is the very unconvincing 1 second margin - the Aventador SVJ lap record is just 1.4 seconds slower, which is negligible over a 20 kilometer, 7 minute lap.

Let me remind you that Mercedes have been on "Nürburgring kill streak", previously taking the 4-door sedan lap record for AMG GT 63 S.

 

1w ago by FastestLaps
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SpeedKing  5d ago

Just to give you a comparison between the AMG GT BS Nurb record and Laurens Vanthoor in a Porsche GT3 R race car with 500hp, slicks 1200kg(dry weight) at the Nurb i calculated the Porsche could do 6:29-6:30 over 20.6km. It highlights two things, one you don't need massive amounts of power to go fast on track and two the cars you can buy off the showroom floor are bloody fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RwbRTXN45E&t=151s


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Cauf40f50  1w ago

Decent lap time


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benedekpuskas  1w ago

Interesting, you can't hear any noise from the tires in the video. I don't know much about tires but they definitely used sticky ones.

 

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Aaron  1w ago

Smells like cheat, but they still put down a badass time, for a front engined car especially


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benedekpuskas  1w ago @Aaron

I don't think they cheat.


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Lambolover  1w ago @Aaron

Enough with "I can't hear the tires so it's cheat" already
They said the same for Performante


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FastestLaps  1w ago

The mic is probably not the best quality or placement. It sounds tinny here and very flat crank-ish. Is it really flat crank engine? Either way it is impressive how well it revs, considering its a turbo 8.


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Lambolover  1w ago @FastestLaps

Same as Hockenheim mic setup

 


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FastestLaps  1w ago @Lambolover

It sounds like a McLaren and I couldn't come up with worse insult for a v8 sound

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benedekpuskas  1w ago @FastestLaps

It sounds like something between cross and flat plane crank.


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Aaron  4d ago @Lambolover

I didn't say anything about tires.Even if I did, the perf was awd, on slicks, and I still heard some tire spin (very ocasionally tho)


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Corvolet3  4d ago @FastestLaps

V8 TDI

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SpeedKing  4d ago @Aaron

The Performante was on semi-slicks actually :)


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Lambolover  4d ago @FastestLaps

Actually some Mclarens sound better

 


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FastestLaps  4d ago @Lambolover

From outside and with gnarly exhaust and with lots of revs.


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Lambolover  4d ago @FastestLaps

I still like the sound of 3.8 liter V8s that was on Mp4, P1, 650S, and 675LT
But as the models got more powerful, the sound got worse and now to hairdryer level

 

1:07


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FastestLaps  4d ago @Corvolet3

I am not sure about that. I actually like turbodiesel sounds (r5 r6 v6 v8). V8 tdi probably makes nicer v8 tone at 3000 rpm than mclaren at 3000 rpm.


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Corvolet3  3d ago @FastestLaps

The older ones surely do. Not so sure about the new SQ7 tho


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Seaman  1d ago @FastestLaps

No.


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FastestLaps  1d ago @Seaman

Yes


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inthend  1w ago

When your tire noise is louder than your V8 engine..bzzzzzzttttt

 

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benedekpuskas  1w ago

wtf I've just posted the exact opposite of what you're saying... there's no tire noise at all.


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Cauf40f50  1w ago @benedekpuskas

good insulated interior


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benedekpuskas  1w ago @Cauf40f50

Yeah, maybe.


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Aaron  1w ago @Cauf40f50

That shouldn't be necessary as it's a track fucosed car


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benedekpuskas  1w ago

Now I'm confused, the SVJ's lap is 6:45, isn't it?

edit: Oh, it's the longer configuration.


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Corvolet3  1w ago

There's no BS when it's about the new Mercedes AMG GT BS :))


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Lambolover  1w ago

They finally showed it
Congrats to Merc and fans
And I like that they included the extra 200 meters as well

 

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SpeedKing  1w ago

The additional 230 metres 20.83km is mandatory to have the record certified whereas the time for the 20.6km distance is optional :)


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SpeedKing  1w ago

"The amusing part about this lap record is the very unconvincing 1 second margin - the Aventador SVJ lap record is just 1.4 seconds slower, which is negligible over a 20 kilometer, 7 minute lap."
Yes as i've said on a number of occasions the difference between the GT2RS,SVJ,Pista and now the AMG GT BS on track is rather insignificant in the hands of the top GT3 racing drivers(Kern,Mapelli,Engel etc) because they're able to extract the most the car can deliver which journo drivers simply don't come close to. I've got a sneaking suspicion that the Huracan STO is going to be even faster than the AMG at the Nurb.

 

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DDriver  1w ago

Isn’t AMG’s time is certified laptime and Lamborghini simply published the video of their run - no 3rd party verification that the car in production like condition, etc.


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SpeedKing  1w ago @DDriver

Nurburgring management introduced measures in 2020 which was designed to make record attempts more transparent and required cars to complete the full 20.83 km lap. This wasn't the case before 2020 where manufacturers like Porsche, McLaren and Lamborghini did their own thing. So if nothing else we now have a level playing field where lap times must be certified which makes it unquestionable and makes cheating claims obsolete.


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Corvolet3  1w ago @SpeedKing

I'm glad they did this. Especially when considering how many cars get insane and unachievable lap times (SVJ just for example).


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SpeedKing  1w ago @Corvolet3

Oh come now surely you're not one of the conspiracy theorists who thinks the SVJ lap time wasn't real? Of course you've got evidence to back up your claim, yes? lol


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196ss  1w ago @SpeedKing

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/h8lllsi5o8ia
This could be an evidence.
SVJ is only a bit slower at Nordschleife, but not even close at other tracks.


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Corvolet3  1w ago @SpeedKing

Lmao, why would you think that? It's literally just average on any other track. Even if you get your 4 alt accounts to dislike my comment again, that won't convince me it's real.


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SpeedKing  1w ago @Corvolet3

WTF four accounts to dislike your comments? Are you fcuking delusional lol. I'm still waiting for EVIDENCE not SPECULATION that proves the SVJ didn't set the record? Well i'm waiting Einstein :P


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Lambolover  1w ago @Corvolet3

"Unachievable laptimes"
Yeah Ight
It's not my fault that it's harder to get used to than a RWD dual clutch track car
They said and still say the same about Performante
Can't wait to see you talk about STO's time soon :))


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Lambolover  1w ago @Corvolet3

"Hell even much less powerful 600LT is faster and can keep up with this bull"
Where?
On Willow Springs which Lambo had a brake issue?
Lol ok


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Corvolet3  1w ago @Lambolover

"It's not my fault that it's harder to get used to than a RWD dual clutch track car" Lmao are you serious? Since when is ANY supercar after 2010 hard to drive for professionals? We're not talking about a Dodge Viper, or a Lotus Exige. It's about technologically advanced high-tech computers on wheels who appear to have lots of power.


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Corvolet3  1w ago @Lambolover

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SpeedKing  1w ago @Corvolet3

I realise you're intellectually challenged but here's a fact for you. I have not and will not ever use an alt on this or any other site so stop talking shit.


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Corvolet3  1w ago @SpeedKing

"Murcielago69: 1 minute ago"
Do you really think I'm that stupid?


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Lambolover  1w ago @Corvolet3

Aventador is the heaviest one and since 2014 every car started to become a computer on wheels
Not Aventador
It weighs 1700kgs and still has single clutch gearbox and only makes 400kgs of downforce at top speed
How much downforce does that Merc make?
what you see on SVJ is pure mechanical power with the help of the ALA system to keep it balanced and on the ground
Of course it has became more and more advanced over the years but not close to some cars like GT2 and AMG which take some techs directly from their GT3/GT2 Brothers


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Corvolet3  1w ago @Lambolover

And even then we still talk about a car for 500k who can't afford decent brakes for some tracks.


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SpeedKing  1w ago @Corvolet3

Oh dear you really are embarrassing yourself.


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Corvolet3  1w ago @SpeedKing

4 dislikes and my comment already gets the "This post has received too much negative feedback and is hidden". If anyone is embarrassing themselves it's you with your alts, my friend. Cause even on Fastestlaps the Lambo fanboys aren't awake around this time.

Just admit the Nürburgring record was just a marketing stunt and it is easily beaten by the competition everywhere else. At least now that its record was beaten.


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Lambolover  1w ago @Corvolet3

"Lambo fanboys aren't awake at this time"
Am I a joke to you?


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Corvolet3  1w ago @Lambolover

Hey you said that, not me ;)


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Sonatine  1w ago

Yeah, that one second is pretty much nothing - but everything as well on the other hand. In racing there are even milliseconds deciding where you stand on the podium. I think the AMG time is pretty awesome, tbh. I wasn't that confident about their try to beak the record before. The GT BS has ~40 HP less than the SVJ and weighs a bit more as well. Still, Mercedes showed in the VLN what the GT is able to do... it's a very well engineered car. Mercedes now really managed to perfectly optimize that beast. And the SVJ is pretty much the "Black Series" version of the Aventador, right?! I mean... we're talking about Tiger vs. Lion here. Two absolutely cracked cars. Regarding to that small margin there are a lot of factors which could result in a different time... the driver in the first place, then the tires, the weather (the SVJ had better conditions as far as I remember, though). The Huracán STO could also beat the GT2 RS MR on a good day. Porsche is on their way with the 992 GT3 RS and the GT2 RS will come in the next 1-2 years as well, so a possible Huracán record probably wouldn't last that long. But hey... that's why this is still exciting, right?! Wouldn't it be boring if there would only be one manufacturer dominating the ring? In the next years there will always be a battle between Porsche, Lamborghini, maybe AMG and hopefully Ferrari and McLaren as well. The Huracán STO will be insane, though. I mean just look at that wing... :D It will be crazy!


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Lambolover  1w ago @Corvolet3

I mean who won't call me a fanboy?
When they have nothing to say


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SpeedKing  1w ago @Sonatine

"The GT BS has ~40 HP less than the SVJ and weighs a bit more as well" It won't be until the Black Series is eventually put on a dyno that we'll know for certain as to how much peak hp it really has. In addition, it's not clear how much the car actually weighs but the kerb weight is likely to be less than the SVJ. The Huracan STO could very well take the Nurb crown from the AMG. Watch this space :)


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Sonatine  1w ago @SpeedKing

Yeah, seems legit. Let's have a look. I mean it would be kinda weak if the STO would NOT take the crown, since it's still in development. That's pretty much always the reason why the newer car is in 99% of the cases quicker than a similar powered car a couple of months before. But that makes it exciting for us as well, so I'm happy about that. Would be cool if Ferrari wouldn't be so "afraid" and simply start on the ring as well - officially. McLaren, too. I'm also super excited about the upcoming clash of the giants... Mercedes-AMG ONE, Aston Martin Valkyrie and Koenigsegg Jesko (the track optimized car). A 918 Spyder successor won't be there before 2023, just like a successor to the LaFerrari and McLaren P1. I also heard about Audi planning a (probably all electric) hypercar and Bugatti planning an track-only beast. Totally obsolete, but I'd love it. :D


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Corvolet3  1w ago @Lambolover

I mean, your literal name is Lambolover. Obviously people will call you biased.


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Lambolover  1w ago @Sonatine

Mercedes weighs more?
1640kgs(AMG) vs ~1700kgs(SVJ)


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SnowGT  1w ago @Corvolet3

You’re completely right, the SVJ Nurburgring video was sped up. Source: Misha Charoudin

It doesn’t add up, the car is insanely heavy and so much slower on other tracks compared to GT2RS.


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FastestLaps  1w ago @SnowGT

If manufacturer was to cheat, the easiest way would be to use super aggressive full slick tyres or mess with the power and suspension. But speeding up video - it seems very cheap to me. I wonder if there is a programmatic method of identifying sped up or slowed down video. Something like AI which is trained to notice subtle signs that humans can't pick up.

If they are showing speedometer you can compare distance travelled versus speed indicated and that would be easy. But it could be prone to error.


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SpeedKing  1w ago @FastestLaps

There are a few youtubers who claim that the video Lamborghini released for the SVJ Nurb record was sped up which makes me laugh. When one takes a closer look to the car speedo which is at times is visible and factors in the overread of 3.5% it's pretty obvious the speeds are almost identical to the GT2RS GPS speedo so that claim is rubbish.


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Lambolover  1w ago @SnowGT

Misha Said SVJ video was sped up?
Misha the bear or Misha Charoudin?

 


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SpeedKing  1w ago @Lambolover

Like i keep saying to all the naysayers instead of making statements without any foundation show us the evidence and surprise surprise they've got nothing. Pathetic lol


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Corvolet3  1w ago @SpeedKing

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Lambolover  1w ago @Corvolet3

Oh you mean Autocar Handling course which SVJ was faster than almost everyone or Hockenheim GP where GT2 was 2 secs slower?
Lets not forget that Performante was also a car that was doubted to do 6:52 but it kicked 918's butt at 8/12 tracks and was the fastest Supercar at the time on 8 tracks


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Corvolet3  1w ago @Lambolover

Or the Euro Speedway Lausitz where it was barely faster than a much weaker GT R Pro ;) massive success for a 500k dollar car.
And besides, the 918 Spyder never was a track car. I don't doubt the Huracan's capabilities because it already proved several times to be faster than its bigger brother. Not just in a straight line. The Aventador is just a fashion statement


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Lambolover  1w ago @Corvolet3

Huracan faster in straight line?
I thought you stopped telling jokes


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Lambolover  1w ago @Corvolet3

Ok now that's funny
We laughed

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Cocobe  1w ago @Lambolover

you do know the GT2RS lap was done by a very inferior driver which was the same lap time as a 10 year old last gen gt2rs? The only laps the SVJ beat the GT2RS is when the Porsche was on worse tires. A much closer comparison would be the 720S, which beats the SVJ both in a straight line and around most tracks, whether or not it was using equal or worst rubber.

I've never liked to use the ring as a benchmark because it's more to do with how much effort that company put to make that lap time great, and less to do with the actual car's average ability when delivered to you.

Aventadors have always had brake issues during track lapping. It's NOT a great track car, but it's one of the greatest at being a supercar full stop. The Performante was always a better track car, and the new STO will be even better, hopefully.


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Corvolet3  1w ago @Cocobe

F*cking thank you. I couldn't have said it better. Finally someone says how it is and doesn't praise the SVJ like all those Lambo fanboys here.


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Lambolover  1w ago @Cocobe

Not to mention the shortshifts that Gebhardt did on the SVJ lap
Aventador is a good track car. Ofc not as good as some lighter cars like GT3 RS, Performante, AMG GTR/BS
A Fun fact: other supercars always have a big bump in power and a huge reduction in weight when it comes to their ultimate track versions
GT2 RS and Turbo S(+120HP, -150kgs) , Corvette C7 Z06 and ZR1(+105HP) 488 GTB and Pista(+50Hp, -100 kgs)
But Aventador only had a 70hp bump and a 50 kg reduction in like 8 years and it still competes with it's rivals and beats some of them on track
Same with Huracan(+30hp, -81kgs)


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Cocobe  1w ago @Lambolover

How about the Big Willow lap? Magny-Cours Club lap where it was slower than a base Huracan evo? It's the ultimate most marketed hardcore track lambo, and the "king of the green hell". it shouldn't be just about as fast as under supercars, let alone slower than some non-track version cars.

Well the ZR1 is not lighter than the Z06.

The GT2RS is not based off the turbo S. It's more a GT3RS with the turbo engine.

Given how much bigger and heavier the Aventador always was over the Huracan, I never understood why they were only able to get so little weight off the car. That's why I've always been more of a fan of the Performante


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SpeedKing  1w ago @Cocobe

"How about the Big Willow lap? Magny-Cours Club lap where it was slower than a base Huracan evo?" Then again we can use Tommy Maino at Circuito Tazio Nuvolari as an example which paints a slightly different picture. Like i've been saying there's only a small difference between the GT2RS,720S,Pista and SVJ on track providing you've got a driver who can push the cars to their limits which most cannot :)
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/circuito-tazio-nuvolari


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Tracker  1w ago

This is their peak, let's enjoy it and don't think too much on next C63's 4-sh!tpot engine :D

 

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FastestLaps  1w ago

4 pot C63 would be like electric Mustang with a crossover body.... Oh wait.. That actually happened....


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hostboy  1w ago @FastestLaps

fortunately the turbo c63 with the four banger hybrid ISN'T going to happen afterall.. since there will be a six banger c53


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DodgeHEMI426  1w ago @FastestLaps

The only difference being that a 4 pot-C63 will be the only C63 and the top model of the range while one can still buy a 760 hp 5.2 V8 Mustang...


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Corvolet3  1w ago

Lmao. At this point you could get more of an AMG with a tuned W205 C43.


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Sonatine  1w ago

A 4-cyl. + e-motor C63 would be the end of it. But it seems kinda realistic when you take a look at the Chinese invasion of Mercedes. China is buying Europe. In the Top 50 of the most valuable German companies there is everywhere at least one Chinese investor. Germany is leading in so many engineering-segments and Chinese companies are trying to buy it all. That's actually the reason why Germany is creating a new law, which says that foreign investors are not allowed to buy more than 10% of a German company (currently it's still 25%).