34 Porsche Taycan revealed - finally real competition for Tesla

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If you wanted ultra fast electric sports sedan, it used to be that your only option was Tesla - the company which started the electric car renaissance and maintains its lead still today.

There were competitors with cars similar to Model S, but some have gone out of business (remember Fisker Karma, even Justin Bieber got one!) and the rest are constrained to the Asian market (Nio, Geely and others).

Jaguar, Mercedes and Audi skipped the sedan and went straight to the money making segment - compact SUV, but even there Tesla still maintains edge in performance, even if automotive press prefers Audi E-Tron over Tesla Model Y in terms of comfort and refinement.

Today Porsche revealed the Taycan, the first fully electric Porsche, in a synchronized press event held on three locations across the world - Canada, Germany and China (notice, no USA, I am not surprised..). The camouflage was finally unwrapped and what we saw emerge was not too different from the Mission E concept car from 2015 and the augmented reality virtual concept Porsche released last year.

The meat of the press release was technical details on Porsche powertrain, which has several advantages over current generation Tesla powertrain - it runs on 800 volts instead of 400, which allows for very fast charging (Porsche claims charge time from 5 to 80% in just 22.5 minutes, given appropriate fast charger) and it has 2 speed gearbox for improved efficiency and acceleration.

Porsche say the most powerful version, the Taycan Turbo S, generates "up to 750 horsepower" and allows for 2.6 second 0-60 mph time. The regular Taycan Turbo has "up to 670 horsepower" and 3 second 0-60 time.

The language used in describing performance suggests that maximum power will be limited to short bursts, likely to preserve the battery. These restrictions will not be too severe, otherwise Porsche would not have been able to record a 7:42 lap time at Nürburgring, which they claim is the fastest ever electric road car lap time.

It will be exciting to see how Porsche and Tesla rivalry plays out in future and how the car buyer votes with his or her money - Americans have a head start in electric charging network infrastructure, data acquisition, electronics (Tesla even have developed their own silicon processors), information technology (including AI), while Germans have much greater experience with manufacturing, design and carmaking in general.

You may think that all the techy stuff will turn out to be more valuable in winning the hearts and wallets of the car buyer, but I beg to differ. Car is not an app, it is extension of your home. In your home you first value the interior design, quality of materials and how well it's all put together. Gadgets can be nice but they are secondary.

I also think that Elon Musk is overestimating the utility and success of artificial intelligence and the feasibility of fully self driving cars. Even if he turns out to be right and I am wrong in my pessimism, Tesla will likely become an AI-as-a-service company which will sell self-driving brains to other car makers in addition to using them themselves. In this scenario you will still choose the car with best chassis and best fit and finish. Current generation Tesla Model S and Model 3 most likely do not and will not match Taycan in these areas.

3w ago by FastestLaps
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FastestLaps  2d ago

While the title is misleading (you don't "lap" a stationary car), it shows that Musk is really bent on proving a point against Porsche. Full gas until full brakedown :)

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/19/porsche-taycan-laps-tesla-model-s-nurburgring-video/

I will gladly add the Laguna Seca time, once there is clarity on what differences the test car had against current Model S P100 and if those differences were the same as upcoming updated Tesla powertrain for production cars that public can actually buy.

I am not sure if some tweaks here and there will be enough to make Tesla Model S into reliable track machine which can do 20 km lap full gas without overheating or total breakdown.

Either way I wouldn't necessarily bet against Musk & Co, just look at what he has done with SpaceX. He also has backing of the Silicon Valley venture capital which is endless. The same kind of deluge of blind money would never reach "convential" carmaker like Porsche/VW, because they are "boring" and not "tech company", therefore not worth billions and billions of investment to cover billions in losses.

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SpeedKing  2d ago

The reason why i can't stand Musk is because he's a smug narcissist. Practically everything he does is all about 'look at how wonderful i am'. He's said that his Roadster is gonna smash the ICE car Ring record next year. As much as i hate to say it the Roadster with 1300+ hp and a 200 kW battery is capable of probably running in the 6:30's. If that happens his ego will be even bigger and it's already MASSIVE...


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FastestLaps  2d ago @SpeedKing

I am not so sure the Roadster can beat Ring record. Is it stable? Does it have enough downforce? It doesn't look like a track car.

Probably we will see massive rear wing addon if he really goes for the record. It's got to be some kind of "Ring edition" Roadster.

Best of luck to him anyway. As long as all of this advances electric car proliferation by advertising the possibilities of technology, it's all good.


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SpeedKing  2d ago @FastestLaps

Maybe you're right and it's not gonna break the production car record because it doesn't handle as well as the SVJ or GT2RS but it's going to be ballistic in a straight line.


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highspeedtimes  1d ago @SpeedKing

186mph to 215mph by gps takes

03 seconds for 919 evo
03 seconds for Agera rs
05 seconds for Chiron
07 seconds for Nissan gtr1000+
09 seconds for 2005 Ford gt1000
10 seconds for McLaren F1
20 seconds for gt2 rs
20 seconds for 2006 Ford gt700
22 seconds for 918 spyder
26 seconds for 720s
26 seconds for Aventador LP700-4
32 seconds for Ford gt


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lafars  21h ago @highspeedtimes

add top fuel dragster: 00.50 seconds (possibly less)


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highspeedtimes  21h ago @lafars

Those cars run for 5 seconds at a time before their engines have to be rebuilt much like those 2000hp+ huracans. koenigsegg jesko is already closing the gape.


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SpeedKing  21h ago @lafars

Speaking of Top Fuel the 1000ft record is 3.62 sec @ 332 mph. At 660 ft 2.90 sec @ 299 mph. So 186 mph to 215 mph is probs 0.2 secs which is almost as quick as the Roadster lol


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highspeedtimes  20h ago @highspeedtimes

the roadster went to mars those Top Fuel numbers aren't ballistic they're not even gps numbers lol


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SpeedKing  20h ago @highspeedtimes

GPS was too slow to keep up. Mars is the best place for the Roadster. They should've put Musk in it lol


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highspeedtimes  20h ago @SpeedKing

It's because they have no space where they can install the GPS equipment it would mess with aerodynamics and add weight. They sent musk's personal car lol


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lafars  20h ago @highspeedtimes

Maja Udtian (21) set a new European record for Top Fuel at Santa Pod:

3.806 at 315.52mph

they are literally finished with their run before ANY hypercar/tuned supercar has reached 200kph


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highspeedtimes  19h ago @lafars

no gps cameras etc. Tuned cars for the drag strip can get to 200kph before 3.8 seconds an evo can do the whole run in 5 sec as for hypercars a roadsters variant will have thrusters.


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SpeedKing  19h ago @lafars

That means that two females hold both the Top Fuel records in Europe and USA, with Brittany Force. One for the girls :P


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highspeedtimes  19h ago @highspeedtimes

get that parachute braking out of your ******* lol 186mph to 215mph is where it's at the autobahn is where it's at.


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FastestLaps  5d ago

Modded af. But braindead zoomers won't tell the difference when the "Tesla beats Porsche Taycan record" headline comes out.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/17/tesla-model-s-nurburgring-testing-near-record/#slide-2169886

 

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ttocs  5d ago

Of course, it's a prototype, just like the Taycan prototype Porsche publicized unofficial times for.


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SpeedKing  5d ago

Musk will do anything to win so no doubt they've bumped up the power among all the other mods so expect to see high 7:20's


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SpeedKing  5d ago @SpeedKing

Low 7:20's that is.


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xiquitinx  1w ago

I don't think Taycan compites with Model S, Porsche is over Tesla by far as maker, heritage, quality..... anyway, the market for those cars is growing fast and there are enough consumers for both and their small production.

 

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FastestLaps  5d ago

I agree. Porsche don't even have to match Tesla in performance. They can just be "fast enough".


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HighGear  2w ago

$185,000 for the Turbo S compared to $187,700 for the less powerful Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid.

 

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Broly  2w ago

Less powerful and more heavy yet the panamera still probably has a better ‘ring time and top speed and acceleration at high speeds. I don’t like the panamera styling as much though


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FastestLaps  2w ago

The cost of building a Panamera should be much higher than cost of building a Taycan. The price should reflect that and electric cars should be more affordable.

Of course, that's not how it works in practice. They have major investment in R&D for the Taycan that they need to offset, the large battery packs are expensive too. So in the end it is not surprising that both end up roughly at the same price.


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HighGear  2w ago @Broly

The Taycan Turbo S maxes out at 161mph, while the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid exceeds 190mph.


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dr. cosimo  2w ago @FastestLaps

lol

last time i checked, they used a set of low quality conrods and bolts that ended up shooting out of the exhaust and cracking the block of the overrated gt3.

can't believe anything is costly with vw group, all they do is go back to the parts bin and re-use it on other models with minor changes every 10 years.


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Broly  2w ago

This car looks and performs nice but not for the price. This isn’t necessarily a smart car to buy. It’s just porsche’s way of saying they can build a better electric car than Tesla.

The turbo and turbo s models are between around $150k-$180k. Other cars that are gas powered and are about as good if not better in some categories like the M5 cost around $100k. From 100k to 150-180k is a huge difference in price that you won’t make up for by having to pay money for gas and maybe maintenance for the next what, 25-40 years? Defeats one of the big purposes of buying an electric car. At least Teslas are priced similar to gas powered cars that compete with them


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HighGear  2w ago

I prefer the Mission E concept. The production Taycan seems to be much Panamera.


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Murmur  2w ago

"Turbo"???


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benedekpuskas  2w ago

What about the "Cross Turismo" version?


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tyler  3w ago

I'm glad they kept alot of the Misson E's styling cue's. I believe this car will look even better in real life than in than pictures.