52 Porsche Taycan revealed - finally real competition for Tesla

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If you wanted ultra fast electric sports sedan, it used to be that your only option was Tesla - the company which started the electric car renaissance and maintains its lead still today.

There were competitors with cars similar to Model S, but some have gone out of business (remember Fisker Karma, even Justin Bieber got one!) and the rest are constrained to the Asian market (Nio, Geely and others).

Jaguar, Mercedes and Audi skipped the sedan and went straight to the money making segment - compact SUV, but even there Tesla still maintains edge in performance, even if automotive press prefers Audi E-Tron over Tesla Model Y in terms of comfort and refinement.

Today Porsche revealed the Taycan, the first fully electric Porsche, in a synchronized press event held on three locations across the world - Canada, Germany and China (notice, no USA, I am not surprised..). The camouflage was finally unwrapped and what we saw emerge was not too different from the Mission E concept car from 2015 and the augmented reality virtual concept Porsche released last year.

The meat of the press release was technical details on Porsche powertrain, which has several advantages over current generation Tesla powertrain - it runs on 800 volts instead of 400, which allows for very fast charging (Porsche claims charge time from 5 to 80% in just 22.5 minutes, given appropriate fast charger) and it has 2 speed gearbox for improved efficiency and acceleration.

Porsche say the most powerful version, the Taycan Turbo S, generates "up to 750 horsepower" and allows for 2.6 second 0-60 mph time. The regular Taycan Turbo has "up to 670 horsepower" and 3 second 0-60 time.

The language used in describing performance suggests that maximum power will be limited to short bursts, likely to preserve the battery. These restrictions will not be too severe, otherwise Porsche would not have been able to record a 7:42 lap time at Nürburgring, which they claim is the fastest ever electric road car lap time.

It will be exciting to see how Porsche and Tesla rivalry plays out in future and how the car buyer votes with his or her money - Americans have a head start in electric charging network infrastructure, data acquisition, electronics (Tesla even have developed their own silicon processors), information technology (including AI), while Germans have much greater experience with manufacturing, design and carmaking in general.

You may think that all the techy stuff will turn out to be more valuable in winning the hearts and wallets of the car buyer, but I beg to differ. Car is not an app, it is extension of your home. In your home you first value the interior design, quality of materials and how well it's all put together. Gadgets can be nice but they are secondary.

I also think that Elon Musk is overestimating the utility and success of artificial intelligence and the feasibility of fully self driving cars. Even if he turns out to be right and I am wrong in my pessimism, Tesla will likely become an AI-as-a-service company which will sell self-driving brains to other car makers in addition to using them themselves. In this scenario you will still choose the car with best chassis and best fit and finish. Current generation Tesla Model S and Model 3 most likely do not and will not match Taycan in these areas.

3m ago by FastestLaps
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SpeedKing  2w ago

Apparently the highly modified Tesla Plaid Model has done a 7:13 lap at the Nurb so expect them to return next year to claim the record for a 4 door sedan.


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SpeedKing  2w ago

Well it appears DragTimes has well and truly made Top Gear look like a bunch of amateurs lol Of course Top Gear buggered up the Taycan Turbo S vs Telsa Model S drag race. The whole place must be run by monkeys :P

 


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SpeedKing  2w ago

Musk says i've got a bigger sausage than Porsche execs so shove that where the sun doesn't shine lol

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-elon-musk-taycan-model-s-comparison-50-hp-ota-update/


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benedekpuskas  3w ago

vs Model S:

 


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SpeedKing  1m ago

The Tesla Model S Plaid is back at the Ring sneaking in more laps sporting a huge rear diffuser and different side vents. What's next carbon wheels?
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-plaid-widebody-rear-diffuser-side-vents/


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FastestLaps  2m ago

While the title is misleading (you don't "lap" a stationary car), it shows that Musk is really bent on proving a point against Porsche. Full gas until full brakedown :)

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/19/porsche-taycan-laps-tesla-model-s-nurburgring-video/

I will gladly add the Laguna Seca time, once there is clarity on what differences the test car had against current Model S P100 and if those differences were the same as upcoming updated Tesla powertrain for production cars that public can actually buy.

I am not sure if some tweaks here and there will be enough to make Tesla Model S into reliable track machine which can do 20 km lap full gas without overheating or total breakdown.

Either way I wouldn't necessarily bet against Musk & Co, just look at what he has done with SpaceX. He also has backing of the Silicon Valley venture capital which is endless. The same kind of deluge of blind money would never reach "convential" carmaker like Porsche/VW, because they are "boring" and not "tech company", therefore not worth billions and billions of investment to cover billions in losses.

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FastestLaps  2m ago

Modded af. But braindead zoomers won't tell the difference when the "Tesla beats Porsche Taycan record" headline comes out.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/17/tesla-model-s-nurburgring-testing-near-record/#slide-2169886


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xiquitinx  2m ago

I don't think Taycan compites with Model S, Porsche is over Tesla by far as maker, heritage, quality..... anyway, the market for those cars is growing fast and there are enough consumers for both and their small production.


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HighGear  2m ago

$185,000 for the Turbo S compared to $187,700 for the less powerful Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid.


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Broly  2m ago

This car looks and performs nice but not for the price. This isn’t necessarily a smart car to buy. It’s just porsche’s way of saying they can build a better electric car than Tesla.

The turbo and turbo s models are between around $150k-$180k. Other cars that are gas powered and are about as good if not better in some categories like the M5 cost around $100k. From 100k to 150-180k is a huge difference in price that you won’t make up for by having to pay money for gas and maybe maintenance for the next what, 25-40 years? Defeats one of the big purposes of buying an electric car. At least Teslas are priced similar to gas powered cars that compete with them


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HighGear  2m ago

I prefer the Mission E concept. The production Taycan seems to be much Panamera.


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Murmur  3m ago

"Turbo"???


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benedekpuskas  3m ago

What about the "Cross Turismo" version?


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tyler  3m ago

I'm glad they kept alot of the Misson E's styling cue's. I believe this car will look even better in real life than in than pictures.