10 Radical and other

To end that discussion once and for all we should add a new category...

Trackday only cars...

Cars like the
- Radical (any version)
- KTM X-Bow
- Ariel Atom
are streetlegal but they offer no weather protection and are only usefull to drive to a track and back home, they completely lack in any sort of comfort for long distance driving.

Cars like the
- Viper ACR
- ZR1
- GT3 RS
- Gumpert Apollo
- Zonda, Koenigsegg etc
are track focused cars but able to do the daily drive no matter the weather conditions

The Radical did not recive the Sportauto Trophy for the fastest production car northloop lap because a simple sportauto rule said all car have to be street legal in Germany to make sure all run under the same technical conditions.

What you think about to mark cars like the Radical as trackday´s only let them stay in the lapranking but don´t give them the credit in the point system... if such a car is first place it stays in the topranking but the first "normal" car gets the 1.place points for the track.
Is such a future possible to add fastestlap? For every questionable trackday car we could open a vote pool (there are not that many) and let the registered members vote if they see a Radical SR3 or a Ariel Atom as a trackday only car... this would be a democratic solution and everyone could accept the result... what you think?

Georg

13y ago by Georg
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BumRush  13y ago

No differencr between an ACR and SR8...lol that had me crackng up/lol anyhoo. i personally dont count cars like Radicals as normal road cars, or really any of laptimes from those cars. but thats just me. but FL, i think we should have them on here if ther legal in the coubtry there made in and 10 countrys there street legal in too, i know thats not gonna convince some people, but ide call it legitimate. and maybe u can count there laps, but put the real record holders first, atleast thats what i think.


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Slonya  13y ago

And about suit - some Ferarris and Lamborghinis has carbon sits - what about them?!


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Slonya  13y ago

Just Information: Radicals are street legal in Europe, not only in the UK. And such famous magazines as Evo and Car count it as street legal car and sr8's record on Nurburgring.
I think there is no need to make a new category - cause maybe we should make many categories - comfortable car, not really comfortable, not comfortable, car without audio, car without another things - it's just stupid.
Radicals faster than others not because they are in another category, but cause ACR weights 1536 kg! - it's normal weight for truck maybe, but not for the sportcar, and cause radical has genius aerodinamics. You can upgrade Radical and put there audio, little air - conditioner and roof and it will be a lot faster anyway.


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Exorcet  13y ago

Yeah, you could try all that in an ACR, only to have your suit drenched with sweat from the engine's heat and your bones jarred by the suspension/chassis.

When I said that the Radical and ACR weren't really different, I wasn't really talking about practicality. IMO that doesn't matter anyway. A lot of "regular" supercars aren't practical anyway. Each car is designed to go so fast, for Radicals, etc, it just so happens that the intended speed is far above average.

If people want to segregate Radicals, they'll pretty much have to segregate every level of car. ACR vs F430 isn't really fair is it? We all know which would win, there is no point to a comparison, in the same sense that comparing a ZR1 to Ultima GTR has no point. Or 370 Z vs Mini. Why did no one complain like this when the ACR beat the GT-R? It's stripped down with R compound tires. Why didn't anyone complain like this when the GT-R beat the Z06? It's newer and has a lot of tech. If anyone was against the new records in those cases, they would just say something like "Of course carX won, it has Y". It's the same thing here.

Again, I don't see what the big deal is, it [The Radical, etc] is a road legal car that happens to be meant for track driving. The ACR is the same, The Gumpert is the same, Moslers are the same. Just because a car is faster than another doesn't mean it has some unfair attribute. And there is no solid line between street based car and track based car. It is a continuous spectrum.

However, I will admit one thing here. What is different in this discussion is that you people seem to get some of this. You're just trying to place a line on the spectrum where one side is "fair" and the other isn't. That's a lot more reasonable then some of the bickering on the actual car pages. And while I don't agree with it, an arbitrary definition is at least respectable.


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venom  13y ago

even if the sr8 had a roof like lmp1s it would still not be as practical as an acr. sure there is 2 seats, you can wear a suit and go to dinner in it, you can adjust the suspension for getting there and still be stock, but there is a lot more noise from the straight cogged gears, it would be very cramped on the inside, and i cannot think of any way you would not need a second car because still despite technology you probably need enough room to carry a pencil to work.


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Chiesi  13y ago

I totally agree! There's no sense in comparing car's like ZR1 to Ultima GTR 720, 800 or Caparo T1. Different purposes.


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Georg  13y ago

I see nothing wrong with the current system. Like I just said in one of the comments, the Radical is no more unreasonable for street use than the ACR. There's really no difference between something like the ACR and SR8LM, it's only as much difference between a P1 car and a GT2 car. The latter are both race cars, the former are both street cars. And if one were to categorize street cars, why stop here. Clearly it's not fair to compare a Viper to a Mini, or a 370Z to a Smart. The "track cars" should be counted, in all rankings.

there is a huge different... in a ACR you can roll around in traffic jam during rain in your best suit for a dinner with your girl on the codriver seat in a fancy dress, without to worry about something, a ACR can do the job of a normal car..the Radical can´t no matter how street legal it is...


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FastestLaps  13y ago

I think we should clarify what we regard as "street legal" car.

Our current edition of site rules state "3.1 All cars in fastestlaps.com database must be road legal."

But what's road legal in one country might not be road legal in another country. As it is with the Radical.

So we have to have a more precise definition of this rule. There are several ways to define it but I can't figure out which one would fit the best.

road legal in the whole world (which is impossible to find out, and some countries might not even have department of transportation etc.) road legal in the country that it's made in. road legal in the country that it's made in and at least X other countries. road legal in at least X countries

If we had a precise definition of "road legal", any car that fits this definition should be treated equally. Car's that don't should be removed. It should be as simple as that.


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Exorcet  13y ago

I see nothing wrong with the current system. Like I just said in one of the comments, the Radical is no more unreasonable for street use than the ACR. There's really no difference between something like the ACR and SR8LM, it's only as much difference between a P1 car and a GT2 car. The latter are both race cars, the former are both street cars. And if one were to categorize street cars, why stop here. Clearly it's not fair to compare a Viper to a Mini, or a 370Z to a Smart. The "track cars" should be counted, in all rankings.


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Wads  13y ago

sounds reasonable