249 The SSC Tuatara is the first 300mph car!

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Shelby SuperCars Tuatara is officially the first 300mph car in production. According to Road & Track, the 1,750 hp hypercar hit 331 mph in tailwind direction and 316.11 mph average over both direction.

Tuatara is America's first hypercar in series production and SSC are using Nelson Racing double overhead cam shaft V8 engine instead of more primitive pushrod V8 from General Motors, which they were using previously.

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ChironSS  6d ago

If you INCLUDE driver weight which is advisable as hypercars aren't autonomous unless Rimac sort it out completley, then this is a GIVEN and absolutely correct procedure.

So the FIRST production hypercar that was DELIVERED that is a TRUE 1:1 plus power to weight ratio car WITH driver included was not the Koenigsegg One:1.

This car is also the first TRUE 1MW:1 power to weight ratio production car ALSO.

:)

 

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196ss  6d ago

There were some crazy powerful cars before:

https://fastestlaps.com/models/9ff-gt9-vmax

https://fastestlaps.com/models/fahlke-larera-gt1-s12

https://fastestlaps.com/models/weineck-cobra-780cui

May be some others, that was the first which come to mind. Also isn't Tuatara has "only" 1350 hp on regular octane fuel?


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ChironSS  6d ago @196ss

The Koenigsegg One:1 only had "1160hp" with regular octane gas. E85 is a regular fuel with a higher octane rating. But the difference is the Tuatara is absolutely a TRUE 1:1 including driver weight included.

:)


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benedekpuskas  6d ago @ChironSS

"E85 is a regular fuel with a higher octane rating."

If regular fuel means gasoline, then not really because it's 85% bioethanol. "Regular" gasoline only contains 5-10%.


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ChironSS  6d ago @benedekpuskas

"Regular" from the pumps in those countries were it's available. One you can atleast in THOSE countries buy regularly. At the petrol pumps. Just not in England or the United Kingdom! :)


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196ss  6d ago @ChironSS

Tuatara is VERY impressive in terms of numbers, no argue.
But, the cars that I have given above can also claim a power-to-weight ratio of 1:1, taking into account the driver. And could do it without the use of ethanol-based fuels, which are common only in USA, as I understand it.


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SpeedKing  5d ago @benedekpuskas

In Australia E85 is not available at the pump, apart from a few places. The highest octane one can get at most petrol stations is 98 octane RON which i believe is equivalent to 93 octane American. As far as high hp turbo cars go there's a big difference in potential hp between 98 pump fuel vs E85 which here is generally 105 RON.


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ChironSS  5d ago @SpeedKing

E85 can creep to 108 maybe higher? Horrendous fuel "economy" though? Sometimes 30% inferior. And I wasn't aware about Australia pumps? I had an idea. Last I checked in America is was less than 5% coverage nationwide. Which is pretty pathetic.


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ChironSS  5d ago @196ss

Yes they. Except as far as I can see they are modified production cars. Not factory manufactured. :)


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hostboy  5d ago @ChironSS

A little off topic but some Silverados and F-150s come from the factory with E85 tune


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ChironSS  5d ago @hostboy

So does the SSC Tuatara? 5MPG! Haha!


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SpeedKing  5d ago @ChironSS

Buying E85 from a pump is very much a gamble simply because E85 goes off if it's been sitting there for a while. Lamborghini brought their own fuel with them when they tested at the Nurburgring which was a good idea but it would've been smarter if they used 98 octane rather than 102 octane to avoid allegations of cheating. The stoichiometric value of E85 is 9.77:1 whereas regular pump gas is 14.7:1 which is why you need to use about 30% more fuel to get the optimum burn...


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ChironSS  3d ago @SpeedKing

So essentially it's used just to get a power boost and all that environmental "stuff" and it's horrendous fuel economy is bollocks right? Absolutely.


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Anti-scam service  2w ago

SSC officially admits that they were pulling off a multi-milion dollar scam in October 2020.

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And the fanbase is praising them for being honest lmao...

 

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Anti-scam service  2w ago

oh nevermind they're lying again...

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So when and how did they realised that the car didn't achieved claimed numbers? didn't they lost all the telemetry data and the video footage of the runs?


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ChironSS  2w ago

 

Quote>"Inside the wheels we can see the new very large KOENIGSEGG brake calipers and BRAKE DISCS that WE developed IN-HOUSE."

Now that's very interesting? Because Koenigsegg have ABSOLUTELY NO experience or expertise in or knowledge in the production of Ceramic Carbon Discs or technologies involved therein?

In ACTUAL fact it's Surface Transforms in England (where I live) that manufacture the discs since atleast 2010 and the production of the then new Koenigsegg Agera (which really WASN'T "new" at all and the British press all stated this>LOL!). So quite how "in house" these are is bizarre and disingenuously incorrect. Maybe they stick a Ghost Squadron Logo on it? LOL!

Just like the English electric motors manufactured by YASA they utilise? I'm detecting a theme here?

Anyway whatever I'll take a slice of ground up new desinged hypercar as opposed to one that in major componentry is RE DESIGNED. Over and over and over and over?

You call others "liars" yet cheating can take many forms? Hahahahahahaha!

Just choose you FLAVOUR of bald?

SSC North America>


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Anti-scam service  2w ago @ChironSS

So you do agree that SSC are bunch of scammers?


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ChironSS  2w ago @Anti-scam service

 

Koenigsegg KNEW the actual 0-400km/h time of "20 seconds" was effectively made up. It was either 21 or 22 seconds?

So do YOU agree also?


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Anti-scam service  2w ago @ChironSS

I do.

So do you agree that SSC are scammers? yes or no.


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ChironSS  2w ago @Anti-scam service

You agreed to Koenigsegg being "scammers?".


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Anti-scam service  2w ago @ChironSS

Yes. they are far from what SSC is though.

Now answer my question: do you agree that SSC are scammers?


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ChironSS  2w ago @Anti-scam service

Hahahahahahaha!


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Anti-scam service  2w ago @ChironSS

That means yes I guess


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Corvolet3  2w ago

You complain and discuss too much about cars you'll probably never afford or even test drive. Most of these cars will only be driven once and never again, so who cares about a one or two second difference?


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Anti-scam service  2w ago @Corvolet3

a one or two second difference? what are you even talking about? they claimed that the car did 331mph when it actually did 223mph. if they weren't caught they would never admit what they did, in fact they would make even more bs claims about the car's performance like that 62-125mph in 2.5sec or 242mph in a half mile with half the boost etc. and if koenigsegg or hennessey achieved higher speed than the Tuatara, they would go out, do another and claim that the car did 350mph. and no one would question their statement.


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ChironSS  1w ago @Anti-scam service

What was "223MPH" based on? Badly edited or completely corrupted video footage? The same car accelerated to such an extent that the previous "opposition" CRUMBLED completely? You think John Hennessey hasn't had disputes with clients? Anyway I'm done. It's irrelevant. My cheque would go somewhere else anyway and EVERY "hypercar" would get trashed! Hahahahahahaha!


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ChironSS  1w ago @Corvolet3

Exactly man. Arguing over SHIT that ultimately is alright it doesn't concern us!


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Anti-scam service  1w ago @ChironSS

And what is your statement, that the footage (telemetry was fake obviously) was badly edited based on? let me guess... SSC's claims.

The same car - it wasn't a same car. it had a different transmission with more aggressive gearing plus we don't know how much power was it making.

Hennessey is a scammer as well, however all the runs they did with the Venom GT were legit.


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Anti-scam service  1w ago @ChironSS

oh btw what's up with all these ahahas? are you alright?


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SpeedKing  1w ago @ChironSS

I haven't bothered to work out the speed of the Tuatara in its first attempt last year but this video gives us a good comparison between the Tuatara and Agera RS from point to point.

 


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ChironSS  1w ago @SpeedKing

To be honest it's played out? It did 300-400km/h in the original run in SEVENTEEN seconds circa? My alarm bells were off the chart. Anyway currently SSC are the production Kings and John's up next then everybody else. We will compare number 4 with number 3. I just gave some effort to this nonsense. Anyway Larry will DEFINITELY drive the wheels off it. Already has?LOL!


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ChironSS  1w ago @Anti-scam service

EVERYTHING you said applies to Bugatti and Koenigsegg too? Maybe Ferrari "did" something to the gearbox for it's recent Indianapolis record? Or maybe Porsche did for it's Nurburgring record? Maybe Brooks was given an extra special Mclaren 765LT for his drag racing? Oh wait he has also got an SF90 coming too! Maybe this maybe that? Your just a little hater BITCH and SSC are (currently) KINGS. LMAO peanut!


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Stop Masterbating And Start Dati  1w ago @ChironSS

SSC what that stand for ?

STUPIDS - SKUNKS & CUN-TS ??

Ain't that a shame, their 331 mph claim was nothing more than a bluff. Just as you are bluffing you daft trollop.


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Anti-scam service  1w ago @ChironSS

SSC are scammers - that's not an assumption, that's a fact.


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ChironSS  1w ago @Stop Masterbating And Start Dati

LFMAO. I knew it. Multiple accounted SKUNK. That was a keyword. What an idiot. Get a girlfriend instead following everyone one around with your sorry arse. Then BOTH you BITCHES can play TOGETHER! LMFAO!


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Anti-scam service  1w ago @Stop Masterbating And Start Dati

SSC stands for Shelby Scam Company.


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Corvolet3  1w ago @Anti-scam service

Seriously Scamming Cocks


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Anti-scam service  1w ago @Corvolet3

I do have several other variants but they are too horny so I'll stick with Shelby Scam Company.


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hostboy  3w ago

I have a feeling this is a modern-day Ferrari F40. Very lightweight, all-original design (not a copycat like Hennessey), also a flat-plane V8.

 

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ChironSS  2w ago

She's had a pretty difficult birth for sure. Nobody was expecting it to get WORSE. However I'm still of the opionion it will reign over the other production hypercars. They want it BAD and DEFINITELY have one of the strongest production cars. It's acceleration is more impressive than it's projected to speed. :)


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ChironSS  3w ago

Original Nevada productions run 300-400km/h= SEVENTEEN seconds? O:

That overlay was ****ing useless!

Hahahahahahaha!


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ChironSS  1m ago

So the final SEXY metrics for the SSC Tuatara.

0-100km/h= 2.75 seconds
0-200km/h= 5.75 seconds
0-300km/h= 10.75 seconds
0-400km/h= 19.75 seconds

100-200km/h= 3 seconds
200-300km/h= 5 seconds
300-400km/h= 9 seconds

Firstly 0-100 is factory claimed at 2.5 seconds or under. I added rollout plus a little more on TOP to make this more accurate.

100-200km/h of 3 seconds and 200-300km/h of 5 seconds have been ACHIEVED by a direct rival. The specifications of the Tuatara are in another dimension compared to the benchmarked car. Also it "seems" to have done 62-124MPH in a video itself around the 3 second mark. They claimed less so I stuck to what I've timed. 300-400km/h it's already achieved at Kennedy Space Centre verified at 10 seconds. 9 seconds is definitely within reason.

Also for the 0-300km/h individual metrics I benchmarked it agaisnt a quicker car and one that's within almost exactly the same bracket.

300-0km/h= 6 seconds
400-0km/h= 9 seconds

1/4 mile 9.5 seconds at 162MPH. I feel this is a perfectly reasonable expectation. It'd go quicker on a prepped surface.

0-304.774MPH so 0.01MPH faster than the Bugatti Chiron Supersport pre production prototype is calculated but I'm NOT releasing that one figure.

So acceleration plus deacceleration covered plus 1/4 mile. I've already done top speed and the in gear times.

I believe that's THIS car done. She's a beauty. Now I wonder what's next?

:)


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ChironSS  1m ago

Bugatti timestamps from official video at 0.25X playback=

180MPH= 1:35 minutes and seconds
284MPH= 2.03 minutes and seconds

So 180-284MPH= 28 seconds.

Using the 0-180MPH time from the Bugatti Chiron Sport section here it is 12.4 seconds.

So 12.4+28= 40.4 seconds PRELIMINARY time.

That's actually bloody good. But it's stitched together.

An actual productions runs is never going occur at 284MPH.

One day I'll do it to 273MPH to compare to the production Bugatti Supersport.

300+ YET to be announced.


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ChironSS  1m ago

I got inspiration to do this from a fan from another manufacturer. They wanted to see what the quickest 0-284MPH would be as I'd mentioned it for SSC Tuatara.

I did the Koenigsegg Agera RS as it was the previous productions record holder.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a13303039/koenigseggs-top-speed-was-285-mph-on-the-nevada-highway/

Quote>"The Agera RS also went down Nevada highway accelerating to 249 MPH in 24 seconds covering 1.08 miles."

So we have 0-400km/h time plus distance.

Now 250-284MPH

 

250MPH: 0-42 seconds 2909 metres
284MPH: 1-06 minutes plus seconds 5907 metres

Time equals= 66-42= 24 seconds
Distance equals= 2909-5907 metres equals= 2998 metres equals= 1.86 miles

So 24+24= 48 seconds and 1.86 miles+1.08 miles= 2.94 miles

So 0-284MPH in 48 seconds and 2.94 miles "stiching" together the quickest 0-249MPH and 250-284MPH.

SSC North America with the Tuatara did 0-284MPH 40 seconds and did it in 1.941 miles.

So the Tuatara is 8 seconds quicker and did it in 1 mile less distance.

Koenigsegg and Hennessey's production runs will be very interesting indeed.

For now the SSC is unequivocally top speed and absolutely the acceleration speed King.

I don't think I'll bother with Bugatti. The pre production prototype won't match 40 seconds. And measuring distance would be next to impossible anyway.

:0


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ChironSS  2m ago

Above 250MPH the SSC Tuatara accelerated 70% PLUS+ quicker than the Koenigsegg Agera RS. It dismantled it then destroyed it completely.

Then unfortunately it destroyed itself!

But 300MPH+ WILL occur. It's advantages of which there are TWO significant ones over the competition I believe will see it victorious.


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ChironSS  2m ago

Anyway moving along from the "distraction" below.

The SSC Tuatara achieved a 0-400km/h time of 28 seconds! 4.5 seconds quicker than the 0-400-0km/h Bugatti Chiron.

BUT that's with a 0-100km/h time of SEVEN seconds! :0

Including a 300-400km/h of TEN seconds or UNDER.

That's on 1450hp as it's NOWHERE near 7th gear or the 2nd half of 7th gear where 1750hp became available.

The mind boggles as to what it would do with the full 1750hp in 5th/6th/7th.

It's already DESTROYED the Koenigsegg Agera RS above 250MPH.

If that DOESN'T impress you then I don't know what to say?

A resumption of the next episode of SEXY metrics tommorow.

:)

Figures are only accurate as YouTube video playback at 0.25 and counter measurments which can be potentially plus+ or minus- 1 second from experience.


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ChironSS  2m ago

So the gear ratio's AND final drive Schmee used for his "calculations" for the top speed of the SSC Tuatara, the SOURCE was NEVER IMPLICITLY stated or given or recorded in his description.

My alarm bells were ringing off the charts. CIMA the manufacturers of the T1107 gearbox DO NOT list the gear ratio's or final drive ratio's on there website.

The SSC Tuatara's transmission is based on a HELICOPTER transmission in part. It is NOT a standard production specifications gearbox. It is BESPOKE.

So SSC North America release the CORRECT ratio's and final drive ratio's and everybody goes NUTS calling SSC all kinds of nasty things saying they "faked" the ratios'? How TF can you do that?

Anyway I FINALLY found the ratio's and final drive gear ratio's Schmee and also Misha/Robert used. I found them whislt performing benchmarking and triple checking. I found them HERE>
https://www.hennesseyspecialvehicles.com/2021-venom-f5/

Well that's a big BLOODY surprise?

The car WASN'T launched until MONTHS after their "calculations" came out.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FK?

Is going on?

I ABSOLUTELY believe SSC North America are CORRECT in THIS instance. Gears 6 and 7 completely different as is the final drive gear ratio's.

And this is just the start of what I've uncovered.

Cringe @ the haters.


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ChironSS  2m ago

 

WORLD EXCLUSIVE

SSC TUATARA FUEL ECONOMY

91 OCTANE: 14 MPG
E85: 5 MPG

These SEXY metrics are in the video. As promised more EXCITING SSC Tuatara and SSC North America metrics to come!

Especially the SEXY ones

Hahahahahahaha!


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ChironSS  2m ago

I've pulled out a couple of old notebooks. Lockdown days! Some VERY sexy metrics tommorow. I've looked at them from all kind of angles. This car DESERVES FAR FAR more respect. But October 2020 fcuked things up for this car. But only a little.

Anyway upwards and onwards.



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SpeedKing  8m ago

The SSC Tuatara made a second record attempt but overheated at 252mph so back to the drawing board
https://www.hotcars.com/ssc-tuatara-suffers-heatsoak-setback-in-second-record-attempt/


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benedekpuskas  8m ago

I'm still waiting for another run...


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SpeedKing  10m ago

We now have Fenske(Engineering Explained) with his 2 bob's worth and it points to only one thing, which is obviously deception. I wonder if Shelby is related to Trump? :P

 


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SpeedKing  10m ago

The plot thickens with Shelby responding to TopGear. He claims the diff ratio is 2.92 and not 3.16 and that they used military grade measuring equipment. What's more the speedo was out 14-15 mph at 200 mph. Seriously do the run again with speed traps FFS
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/ssc-responds-331mph-video-accusations