64 "Unplugged" 911 Turbo S beats 458 Speciale and a team of laptops

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With straight line acceleration figures as good as they are - 0-60 in 2.5 and 0-100 mph in 6.2 seconds - you would expect the 991 Porsche 911 Turbo S to be competent around Anglesey or any other road course.

But if you were to bet on which car will set the fastest time around Anglesey Coastal, would you bet on the 911 Turbo S over the mid-engine Ferrari 458 Speciale?

Even I, after all these years running a website dedicated to production car lap times, was surprised when I saw the Turbo S time that EVO were able to achieve in their latest EVO Leaderboard clip.

They managed to beat the Speciale by 0.6 seconds and did it on a single set of tyres, and with no assistance from the factory.

When EVO tested the 458 Speciale, Ferrari sent a team of engineers and several sets of tyres, forcing EVO into making something more like a factory test than an independent media review.

5y ago by FastestLaps
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Thorsten ALBERS  3y ago

Look at the NM per ton and when they are available that speaks the right language


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jackson  5y ago

I see, like a drown you grasped this one crap lap time saying Turbo S with all season road tires is faster than Speciale with semi slick Cup 2 tires.
Dream on, every other track prove McLaren and Ferrari is much more faster:

....................................................... Le Mans
McLaren 650S ........ PZero Corsa -- 1:46.16
McLaren MP4-12C .. PZero Corsa -- 1:46.63
Aventador .............. PZero Corsa -- 1:47.30
991 Turbo S ........... Maxx Race ---- 1:48.63
997 GT3 RS ............ Cup+ N1 ------- 1:49.25


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saxy  5y ago

yet the Mclaren P1 on superior tires with a superior horsepower and a superior weight advantage built by an F1 team who (used to) excel at making F1 cars is slower than a Porsche sports car, even on the very same track it was developed on.

and you were saying? lol. Porsche are the kings of sportscars. Their GT3 cars have the considerably less hp because they would blow the competition away if they had the same power.

Mclaren have been great at F1, but one, they are not a mass produced sportscar company. The 12C would break down every other week like british cars of the 70s.

so yeah, this turbo S was faster than your favorite ferrari, and who cares about Auto Bild's results yeah, just look at this one by EVO. LOL


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jackson  5y ago

Sachsenring Auto Bild sportscars results are crap, 650S slower than Turbo S on PZeros and GT3. Willow results show the truth: 650S 1:25.88, Turbo S 1:27.17 on MaxxR, GT3 1:27.28 on Cup 2.
You are living your Porsche pipe dream and have no idea.
Sachsenring speed is comparable to Laguna Seca. Turbo S on Maxx Race 1:35.62, Italia on Super Sport 1:36.22.
Maxx Race are 1,6 sec faster on on 1min 13sec track than Super Sport. On same tires Italia will win Laguna Seca with 1:34.62 but on Sachsenring Italia is 2 sec behind Turbo S on PZeros (are 1,1 sec slower than Maxx Race on 1 min track).
It shouldn't be to hard to understand, that a car with 90 more hp and 163 kg less build by F1 McLaren team is faster than a Turbo S Road car.


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saxy  5y ago

Anglesey is the only result where Turbo S with PZero is faster than Ferrari.

http://www.germancarforum.com/attachments/53509a45bbe1986009b5bad57d9dda56-png.316274/

dude just shut up.


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jackson  5y ago

Anglesey is the only result where Turbo S with PZero is faster than Ferrari. Even the Italia with Michelin Super Sport is faster on most tracks.
sportscars 5/2015 Dunlop Sport Maxx Race and Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 vs Michelin Pilot Super Sport mounted on 991 GT3
Dunlop Sport Maxx Race: 1:12.10
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2: 1:12.50
Michelin Pilot Super Sport: 1:13.70
991 Turbo S with Dunlop Sport Maxx Race ist 1,6 sec faster than Italia on Super Sport on 1min 13sec track only on tires.
Same tires and Italia disappears after first corner and Speciale after first meter.
BTW giving motorsport magazines for head to head GT3 / Turbo S always Turbo S on PZeros, that always GT3 wins is ridicules.
Ignoring all facts and strictly holding on to Porsche is quite nice.


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saxy  5y ago

sorry... WTF are you talking about? So here Porsche gave them a car with Pzeros and the keys and only 1 set of tires, and said do what you like.

and how is that the same as Ferrari who takes several days of testing and fine tuning a car before you're allowed to test. The Turbo S comes in 2 different tires. Putting either of which on doesn't make you a cheat.

what are you smoking?

Yeah and here the Speciale with the SUPERIOR tire is not as fast as the INFERIOR Porsche tire.


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jackson  5y ago

You are right, Ferrari act this way, but did you noticed, that Porsche provide cars for head to head (GT3 vs TS) always TS with PZeros and provide TS for competition with other brands with Dunlop Sport Maxx Race?
Result: GT3 is always faster than TS head to head, but relative TS faster on other tracks with Dunlop Sport Maxx Race than competitors. That's same behavior as Ferrari.
I didn't only include the tracks where the 458 is in the advantage, I said: "Nordschleife, Hockenheim, Laguna Seca, 911 Turbo S faster than Italia, but on Dunlop Sport Maxx Race"
E.g. Laguna Seca TS 1:35.62 with Maxx race and Ferrari 458 Italia 1:36.22 mounted Pilot Super Sport. Super Sport vs Maxx Race are easy 1,2 sec --> 1:35.62 / 1:35.02, Italia wins on same tires.


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saxy  5y ago

yeah and still plenty of people who can't believe that Ferrari forces jounalists to give them several days advance to test, tune and adjust their cars for a specific track before allowing their cars be tested. While Porsche just hands over the keys and say, go have fun. Yeah laptimes will be unreliable and Ferrari official performance figures are usually quite off.

sorry your bubble is burst

even so...
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/2saflftsshbl

looks quite even. Love how you only include the tracks where the 458 is in the advantage. There are many tracks where the TS is 2+ seconds faster than the 458


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jackson  5y ago

Can't believe in 1:14.20 Speciale

....................................................... 126 km/h . 125 km/h . 124 km/h . 120 km/h . 115 km/h
....................................................... Anglesey . Balocco . AutocarDry . Tsukuba .. Magny Cours
458 Speciale - Michelin Sport Cup 2 . 1:14.20
458 Italia - Michelin Super Sport ...................... 2:43.90 .. 1:08.90 ... 1:02.24 ... 1:20.16
991 Turbo S - Pirelli P Zero .............. 1:13.60 .. 2:45.48 .. 1:09.60 ... 1:02.35 ... 1:20.70

Nordschleife, Hockenheim, Laguna Seca, 911 Turbo S faster than Italia, but on Dunlop Sport Maxx Race


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saxy  5y ago

The Porsche turbo s is faster here. Go cry about it


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jackson  5y ago

R. Pobst is a well experienced pro race driver for decades on lot of cars. German car magazines test drivers used to drive Porsches all day, so they are familiar with all the details of 911 driving and they are no pro race drivers.
E.g. they get a new car for testing, 650S, they've never driven that kind of car. How should these amateurs max a 650S on a race track?
Auto Bild 911 Turbo S 'Supertest' was on all season PZeros with 1:32.51, 650S on sticky Corsas with 1:33.15.
R. Pobst lap time with 650S 1:25.88 Corsa, 911TS 1:27.17 MaxxR.
Head to head tests 991 GT3 Michelin Cup2 vs 911 TS PZero: GT3 always faster, if 991 TS faster than Speciale and 650S, and GT3 faster than 991TS, than 475 hp 991 GT3 faster than Speciale and 650S that's ridiculous.
.... Autozeitung Test Track .... Balocco
991 GT3 ..... - 1:33.50 ......... 2:43.22
991 Turbo S - 1:33.70 ......... 2:45.48


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saxy  5y ago

lol, all that talk and saying cars need pro drivers to drive it properly, well heres a couple points for you.

The Turbo S did that laptime on its first flying lap. The Speciale took a team of engineers, several sets of tires, and days of testing to get it's lap. I'm sure they've maxed out the Speciale, not sure about the porsche.

And if you were to mention how the Speciale is faster than the baby mclaren, I'm sorry, the Mclaren P1 is only 1 second faster than the turbo S. Are you trying to say the Speciale is just as fast as the P1?

and btw, Probst isn't even an elite driver. he doesn't even use left foot braking


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jackson  5y ago

sportscars 11/2014: Speciale Dyna, 613 hp, 549 Nm. Sport Auto 2/2014, 991 Turbo S Dyna, 607 hp, 784 Nm. So far so good.
918 AWD is an advantage, because ~1000hp 2WD out of slow corners without downforce don't work. 300 hp AWD on dry track is a big disadvantage on any track, more weight, more friction. 600 hp depends, on dry track it should be just ok and faster than AWD. 991 Turbo S with AWD and rear steer system is driver friendly, but Speciale needs a race driver. So IMO test driver wasn't able to max the Speciale. E.g. sportscars Sachsenring lap times done by somebody: Turbo S PZero 1:32.51, 650S Corsa 1:33.15, MP4-12C Corsa 1:33.61.
Willow, R. Pobst pro race driver: Turbo S 1:27.17, 650S Corsa 1:25.88.
Laguna Seca, Randy Pobst: Turbo S 1:35.62, MP4-12C Corsa 1:34.50.
Le Mans: Turbo S 1:48.63, 650S Corsa 1:46.16, MP4-12C Corsa 1:46.63.
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IMO Speciale and McLaren needs pro race driver to max lap time.


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dddd  5y ago

@Jackson Ferrari Speciale should have 605 hp but i havent seen any dyno test of that car (unfortunately extreme N/A engines are sometimes a bit down on power). From the other side 991 Turbo S has for real at least 600 hp crank power.


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saxy  5y ago

and you leave out the most important part... one is AWD, one is RWD. /palmface

and how about this... Leguna seca, P1 has more power, less weight, stickier tires... 1 sec slower.


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jackson  5y ago

Talking about numbers?
Speciale: 137 kg less weight, 45 hp more, mounted supremely sticky Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires - 0,8 sec on 1 min track faster than standard PZeros (and this 1:13.6 Turbo S has), roughly 1sec faster on Anglesey Coastal only on tires. How can Speciale be 0,6 sec slower?
BTW, Speciale on Autocar Dry Track: 1:08.30 - 991 Turbo S: 1:09.60


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saxy  5y ago

some people are so naive, and think all tracks are the same. Oh look Bottas in the superior engined Williams qualified 5th in the bahrain grand prix, how could he not even get into the top 15 a Monaco? must be a computer error! lol.


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jackson  5y ago

If Turbo S lap time with standard PZeros is ok, then 458 Speciale is wrong. Speciale should be faster than MP4. There is something not plausible
.......................................... Laguna Seca . Le Mans . Knutstrop
MP4-12C Pirelli PZ Corsa ..... 1:34.50 ....... 1:46.63 ... 1:08.00
Turbo S Dunlop Maxx Race .. 1:35.62 ....... 1:48.63 ... 1:08.10


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Bezza  5y ago

Why are people surprised by this lap time? The 991 Turbo S is an extraordinary car on the track. Around the Bedford Autodrome, it went around in under 1 min 20, in the hands of Steve Sutcliffe, then Autocar, again beating a McLaren (The MP4-12C) and about the same as the 458 on trick tyres. This months EVO has the stock 991 Turbo taking chunks out of the Nissan GT-R and Mercedes GT..again at Anglesea......clearly the car is very good on the circuit, much like its bigger brother the 918.