29 Volkswagen or US government - who is the real "cheater"?

Cover for Volkswagen or US government - who is the real "cheater"?

Volkswagen is all over news sites accross the world, and the headlines are nothing short of "damning".

The worlds largest automaker has been exploiting weaknesses in emissions testing procedure to comply with the strict emission regulations in United States.

Apparently, this exploitation has been ongoing for a long time, and more than 11 million VW group vehicles built since 2009 have passed emissions tests unfairly.

Dishonesty and bending of rules is never fair. But sometimes rules and regulations themselves can be unfair.

Why are diesel engine emissions standards so strict in the United States? Why is diesel fuel more expensive than gasoline in the United States?

While the VW Group CEO Martin Winterkorn (soon to be fired) is telling everyone how "endlessly sorry" he feels and how terrible it is to "break customer trust", who will apologize for the inadequate emissions regulations on behalf of state and federal governments?

Do not hate the player, hate the game!

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with Volkswagen AG in any way, nor do I own any VW stock at the time of this writing (even though I am tempted to buy some).

4y ago by FastestLaps
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Shaggy  4y ago

I have seen duallys (3/4 ton pickup trucks) with diesel engines blow black smoke from their tailpipes. I thought to myself, "How is that cleaner than gas?"


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James  4y ago

many years ago there were two other brands in the states did the same, and were fined with a large $$.

some ppl say rules are meant to be broken, like when Toyota know their cars will run without u step on the gas pedal, they cheated and pretend it's not there... just to be the no.1 in the market.

so, what "biscione" said is exactly my imagination. VW wanted to be no.1 just like Toyota did, they did "whatever" it takes. it's mindset, and it's a choice they made for themselves, and they now take the consequences.


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BR2+  4y ago

Oh its nothing just trying to put something from something on my phone-_-


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phavyarden  4y ago

what's that BR2?


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CAM  4y ago

Forget my last opinion ... Diesel isn´t more clean than gasoline...


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CAM  4y ago

Diesel make more particles in the air , but its more clean than gasoline


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biscione  4y ago

FastestLaps, FCA has denied every kind of irregularity in its engines. Few days ago Chrysler has won the Environmental Sustainability Prize in US. Then ACEA has suddenly stated the cheat only involve VAG grupo and its brands. They've clearly talked about "A single manufacturer". This is happened because Piech and Winterkorn were both obsessed to became the largest manufacturer in the world, and so they have tried every way to achieve this result. FCA has officially stated they're quiet about the situation. The name of the italian manufacturer has never been involved in any of the rumors about the scandal. We can't say the same about BMW, but they've denied. I trust BMW, I think VAG could be the only one involved.


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BR2+  4y ago

Lets be honest, I dont think this will hurt VW sales much, If at all, Let alone people like us, As long as stuff like this doesnt put people in danger, Or there life on the line, I really dont have a problem with it, i see emissions as more of a crutch rather then a helping hand, We dont really need them, In one way it helps technology and what not advance to a new level, But in the other, Its the complete opposite, Holding them back. Epa regulations have just been getting ridiculous over the years, Specially over in north America.

But i bet you, Sine this "Scandal" has been uncovered, We are bound to hear about others slipping thru the nets, VW, Then Audi, Then MB, Then Ford, Then Cadillac, Then Fiat, Then Toyota etc etc, Its just bound to happen, But at the same time im sure they will do there best to cover there tracks better. But really, WHo does this actually hurt? VW isnt going anywhere, Nor would this stop me from purchasing a VW if i herd about this.


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Flabernat  4y ago

I think it was dumb of VW to cheat like they did.... That said, I think the EPA are just plain ridiculous sometimes...Who knows, maybe other manufacturers have done this as well because EPA regulations are just downright oppressive...


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FastestLaps  4y ago

biscione, what if it turns out that Fiat has been doing the same (or similar) cheating over the years? lol


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biscione  4y ago

I think it's a shame what VAG has done. They've cheated the whole world: US, Europe, asian markets... They knew very well what they were doing, this behaviour has been six years long! I can't understand why they can say cheating is against VAG policy! That's what they've done in the last years! We are talking about 11 millions cars! They always thought to themselves as if they were the first in class, often criticizing all other manufacturers (italian for first). Now we are discovering behind their marketing strategy there's a cheating attitude. I think they will delay the day they'll be the largest manufacturer in the world. They've lost any credibility. In Italy they've won the procurement to supply police cars (with SEAT brand). Now the procurement may be suspended due to this cheat, delaying renew of the police car fleet. We are talking about over 4.000 cars! Shame on VAG!


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MADMOMO  4y ago

This is is to funny, now there stocks go down and everyone is going to buy more lol. this is all a scam. they will fix this issue, car prices will go down and people will by there stocks. These are The Germans they know what they are doing.


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derber  4y ago

general motors killed over 174 people with her ignition = 900mio volkwagen too much exhaust gases = 18billion

and the joke is the german medias send about this "scandal" all the time sometimes i think germany is the only country in the world which has not his own interest they do what the can to damagethem selves


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12345  4y ago

This was quoted from the Office of Environmental Health Hazard (California) take it as you will....

"Diesel exhaust and many individual substances contained in it (including arsenic, benzene, formaldehyde and nickel) have the potential to contribute to mutations in cells that can lead to cancer. In fact, long-term exposure to diesel exhaust particles poses the highest cancer risk of any toxic air contaminant evaluated by OEHHA. ARB estimates that about 70 percent of the cancer risk that the average Californian faces from breathing toxic air pollutants stems from diesel exhaust particles."


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phavyarden  4y ago

NO2 and more suspended particles. It's more harmful and heavier, so it takes less time to reach ground. PS: thanks! now i finally get it lol


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FastestLaps  4y ago

Well, a diesel engine pollute 4 times more than a regular gas one.

Based on what? Pollute with what exactly? CO2?

P.S. To quote, you use "greater than" and not "less than" sign. And you only have to type it at the beginning, like so "> this is a great quoted paragraph"


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phavyarden  4y ago

< Why are diesel engine emissions standards so strict in the United States? Why is diesel fuel more expensive than gasoline in the United States? > Well, a diesel engine pollute 4 times more than a regular gas one.


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phavyarden  4y ago

And now BMW with the X3 xDrive 20d....


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Shaggy  4y ago

Being American and knowing my government, I can confidently tell you the the U.S. government is the real cheater.


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FastestLaps  4y ago

BTW(and out off topic),how can quote now? lol

Put a "greater than" sign followed by space in front of every paragraph you want to include in a blockquote.