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mustapha algeria  11y ago

pff never, ferrari is the best


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w0o0dy  11y ago

@monkeypop: they chose not to build more than 500/month for two reasons: its partly handbuilt and to get it exactly right takes time. The price they set for dealers to purchase stock was below costprice. The price hike probably means now they are starting to make profit on each car. If you look at the March #'s for the US over half of the production was sold there, this means limited availability in the rest of the world. There's a waitinglist of several months at the moment (5 if memory serves me right)
Anyway, the 600hp flat torque MP4-12c is apparently quicker than the GT2RS and that makes it extremey quick, yet its pretty cheap compared to the 458 and GT2RS so any thoughts on commercial successes for McLaren?


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monkeypop  11y ago

Correction...
If they made more.. it WOULDN'T mean they would sell more.


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monkeypop  11y ago

@woody

I dont think the sales figures for the C63 would help your cause much lol. The C class is their top selling class with an average of 4000 units per month in the U.S. I dont know how many C63's are sold.. but I'm sure its more than the GTR's sold.

Nissan could produce more GTR's if they wanted too.. but then they would have a surplus of them. They make that many per month as thats what they can get rid of. If they made more.. it would mean they would sell more.

The GTR is great, but it has a limited market. Mostly teens to 30 somethings are interested in GTR's and not many in that age group have $90k to spend on a car.


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w0o0dy  11y ago

@monkeypop: like i said, i think they only build 500 each month so if they sell 287 in a month in the US alone that's a lot (for them). They everged 140cars/month in the US with the old one.. more than 4100 in total (those #don't quite add up but i couldn't find a real total prod# for the old R35) The new one is pretty expensive compared to the base corvettes right? And they only have one model, no convertible, no choice in engines.. and its not american. Maybe put the # for something european with a comparible price next to it. Mercedes c63 for example... how many do they sell in the US? The GT-R isn't a huge seller but it wasn't intended to be.


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monkeypop  11y ago

@woody

Those numbers you post are not very impressive, and. Corvettes for example sell no less than 1000 units per month in the U.S. They average around 20k units per year.. some years more and some years less.

So if 6,100 GTR's where sold in Japan and there was only 10,000 units sold then you can imagine that sales in the U.S suck. I havent even seen one in person yet.. not on the road or in a dealer. I do imagine the faster GTR will pick up sales.. but not enough to compete with the more established cars.


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w0o0dy  11y ago

a quick search has shown that in less that 2 years they sold more than 10.000 GT-R's (over 6100 in Japan alone!). The production capacity is 500 a month i believe, you do the math, they're not far of constantly selling anything they can build...


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w0o0dy  11y ago

@Georg: all very funny, but... (just US figures...)
"The release of the updated 530hp 2012 Nissan GT-R gave a great 219 % increase in sales vs March 2010. A total of 287 cars were sold in March bringing the 2011 total sales year to date of 338 vehicles"

The announcement of the new car and the availability slowed things down a lot!

Actually the AVERAGE US sales for the GT-R are 141 cars per month till nov 2010. (4103/29)


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Apathy  11y ago

The 911 and corvette both outsell the GTR completely.

Yeah, the (newest) GTR is faster, but it doesn't sound like you ever have to worry about running into one if you're in the C6 or 997. LOL


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Georg  11y ago

@wOoOdy
the sales figures befor were not better the month were the GTR toped 100cars/month sales could be counted with the fingers of one hand.
Since 01.01.2010 they reached a monthly average of 74 GTR.. the 2009 sale numbers were not much better...did they wait in 2009 already for the 530hp 2011 GTR? ;)


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w0o0dy  11y ago

@Georg: they introduced the new DBA R35 GT-R in october right? I assume most potential buyers were waiting for the new one to become avilable... any numbers for 2011?


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Georg  11y ago

they sold in 2010 in the USA 889 GTR in they last three months of 2010 the sold 46, 50 and 50 in the whole USA.. not a big seller in my eyes..

to compare October 2010 US sales...
GTR 46
911 528


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Bnonymous  11y ago

okay, just checked the gtr's sales figures: horrible.


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Bnonymous  11y ago

That comment was to Apathy.


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Bnonymous  11y ago

In general or only for this car?
I'm sure they make a difference at least for the GT-R!


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Georg  11y ago

@apathy

correct, like GTR laptimes have no effect on Porsche Corvette or Ferrari sale numbers... even with record laps the GTR sale numbers are poor... best bang for bug ..or quickest for lowest money is no selling argument in the high perfromance sportcar segment


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Apathy  11y ago

I doubt lap times will have ANY bearing on sales figures.


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Bnonymous  11y ago

Come on Mclaren! Track conditions should be good enough now! Maybe they really want to be as good as we expected and the first laptimes can make a difference in sales figures...


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EM  11y ago

Some posters ought to chill a bit.
ppl are just giving their opinions based on the data so far available from track times, power to weight ratio etc... Despite the question being very vague perso I think the Mclaren would win any day any way. This doesn't mean that I am insulting Ferraris, it's not a bitch show, it's a car pronostic...grow up!


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F355  11y ago

@TrailBraker
"McLaren think winning is sexy. Ferrari think looking good while losing is sexy."
Still Ferrari wins much more than McLaren. And builds engines...