Ferrari 458 Italia vs Noble M600

Picture of Noble M600
Picture of Ferrari 458 Italia
Category Noble M600Ferrari 458 Italia
Engine layout 4.4 l V84.5 l V8
Max power (ps / bhp) 659 / 650570 / 562
Max torque (Nm / lb-ft) 838 / 618540 / 398
Curb weight (kg / lb) 1277 / 28151485 / 3274
Power / tonne (ps / bhp) 516 / 509384 / 378

Performance

Category Noble M600Ferrari 458 Italia
Top speed 363 kph (226 mph)338 kph (210 mph)
0 - 100 kph 3.2 s3.1 s
0 - 60 mph 3.5 s3.0 s
0 - 100 mph 6.5 s6.2 s
0 - 150 mph 14.0 s15.0 s
1/4 mile 11.0 s @ 131.1 mph10.8 s @ 134.2 mph
1000 m 19.9 s @ 274.0 kph19.6 s @ 271.0 kph

Summary

Category Noble M600Ferrari 458 Italia
Track Performance 566595
Straight line speed 635662
Total 12011257

Verdict

There is no clear winner in this comparison.

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E  7y ago

900hp Evo are for straight line, there is no respect for those people unless you are into drag

Neither of those are necessarily true, but in either case, hopefully you see the point. It doesn't have to be an Evo.


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@E  7y ago

900hp Evo are for straight line, there is no respect for those people unless you are into drag


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Shaggy  7y ago

Why are everybody's comments in Italic on this page? LOL


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E  7y ago

So you guys are just those types that cruise at the track (even if you dare to go there) and enjoy shifting gears.

Or maybe they attack the track all out and shift gears. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

And the opposite as well. But does it really matter? It's not a race, and if it was there would have to be rules in place which would mean removing the clutch wouldn't necessarily make you faster anyway.

Manual is no less suited to the track or racing than any other type of transmission. If you're just lapping, your transmission obviously doesn't matter as long it gets power to the wheels. If you're in some form of competition, the rules may simply limit entry to manual cars because the racers in the competition like that type of transmission, so there is no loss there.

If it didn't, people probably wouldn't be spending tons of money on 900 hp Evos and what not. Neither car is underpowered, but one can still feel more insane than the other. This is especially true at high speed when a supercar's acceleration can slow dramatically.


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Apathy  7y ago

I prefer a manual and I've tracked my cars pretty hard.

I've passed plenty of faster cars because of the person behind the wheel.

I enjoy a manual more than an auto, but there's nothing wrong with an auto. They are typically faster and I'm sure they can be just as fun to some people.


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Аnon  7y ago

So you guys are just those types that cruise at the track (even if you dare to go there) and enjoy shifting gears. There are plenty of these guys on the Nring in the super-purist oldschool GT3s there that are passed by experience drivers in the automatic (like true AUTO transmission) hyundai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1IdpsR-GjLg#t=442s). Everything else you say is just lyrics, you just like to brag about your elitism of driving manuals and so on, no substance there.

@E
I think in context of Noble vs 458 comparison p/w ratio for both is above the limit that you can say to be underpowered, so it doesnt' matter here.


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Flabernat  7y ago

Driving an "old-fashioned" H-pattern manual transmission is more fun than paddles and automated double-clutches.
There's more for you to do, you're more involved in driving, and therefor the payoff is more rewarding.

@Anon, noone here is saying paddle-shifting is a "BAD" thing. It's just less exciting and less involving. That's why enthusiasts tend to choose a manuals over anything automatic.


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E  7y ago

Im not sure a simple higher Power To Weight Ratio is the best way to pick a car-_-

It's not, but it's something on the stat sheet that can be related to the driving experience to a degree.


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BR2'  7y ago

-_-

Continued>>>

I dont commpletely agree with them, but on alot of parts i do.

@E

Im not sure a simple higher Power To Weight Ratio is the best way to pick a car-_-


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BR2'  7y ago

@Monkey

Im not sure if im cracked up, or just a bit confused by his statements...

@Anon

If you like to "explore the limits" paddles will help you much better to achieve that state, and H-pattern will only delay that enjoyment and detach you from exploring those limits

...WHAT?! An H-Patern will...daley and detach you from enjoyment? Well, seems like every review and pretty much every enthusist would be in a state of WTF..

I dont see ANY reason, or feeling, that Paddles would get you to explore a cars limits more then a Manual, Hell, Paddles have more Limitations then a H-Pattern.

Dunno bout you(Well actually i do) But dancing with my legs all about is part of the fun when using a manual, shifting with your hand, and clutching with your feet, that feels good, alot better then flicking a paddle...And most of the fun is from the hardworking shifting process, Picking whatever gear you want any time you want, feeling the precise moment of the gear change, the clutch pedal feel, heel and toe, in a good car on a good track, doing that, no paddles can produce such a Raw visceral expierence, Not to say paddles cant be fun, but in my expierence, None have been even close to fun as a Proper H-Pattern.

And ALOT of people would HIGHLY Disagree with you on technology with performance, Alot of people think that the tech in cars these days, with there Paddles, DCTs, Advanced Awd, Computerized super elctronic, have destroyed what cars have/should be, I


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monkeypop  7y ago

This anon guy cracks me up. Again not all of us like what you like and no amount of convincing will change that.

Saying a manual will detatch you from exploring the limits is hilarious to me. I enjoy "dancing with my legs" and that is a big part of exploring the limits. Not having manual control over the clutch and not being able to physically select the gear I want is my idea of detachment. My limits are obviously very different than yours.

You go on to say that people who like manuals should be forced to buy old cars. Are you serious? Ohh.. so since you don't like it we shouldn't have it huh. That seems to be your attitude in general.

I am not against technology so your goofy arguments about us driving ancient cars are pointless and serve no purpose. One big reason I bought my most recent car was the magnetic ride control. As long as the tech does not negatively effect my driving experiance I am for it.

I can say lack of manual has ruined any car I want too. For me I won't buy a car without a manual so a lack of a manual option ruins the car for me. Thankfully many performance oriented cars are still offered with a traditional manual rather than a glorified automatic.


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E  7y ago

@E My point was there is no reason based on the spreadsheet to pick one over another. Drive both and pick a winner

I disagree. The obvious power/weight advantage of the Noble could be a reason to pick it over the Ferrari. I think part of the fun in driving a car comes from feeling the forces that the car generates. Although overall the acceleration seems nearly matched, the Noble is probably hitting higher peaks. But of course there is more to the car than this.

If you like H-pattern go and drive miata/toyoboru/low-end ariel/morgan/bazilion of oldschool cars and stop saying they ruined it, detached driver from controlling the car and other nonsense.

It's not nonsense and there's no reason to settle for an old car when a new car can have a manual.

H-pattern is the anachronism in a modern PERFORMANCE cars, soon all will be replaced by automated sequentials and H-pattern lever would be as any other lever in Ford Model T, that nobody of you can even name at this point without looking into history books.

Yet to this day we still have people flying WWII type aircraft or making replica Middle Age weapons. The manual is old, but that doesn't make it any less appropriate in the slightest. A performance car with a manual is still a performance car, it just has a manual in it.


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Аnon  7y ago

If you like to "explore the limits" paddles will help you much better to achieve that state, and H-pattern will only delay that enjoyment and detach you from exploring those limits. Instead of picking the proper line, or trailbrake into turns you need to constantly dance with you legs back and forth.

If you like to put effort in driving a car, then throw away all that green-hugging nonsense ECUs and use Ignition timing lever instead on the go - you like challenge and hard work right.

Paddles for performance cars are like quickshifter for sportbikes. I don't see any biker complaining about it, but quickshifter takes away full control and hard work in shifting.

If you like H-pattern go and drive miata/toyoboru/low-end ariel/morgan/bazilion of oldschool cars and stop saying they ruined it, detached driver from controlling the car and other nonsense. H-pattern is the anachronism in a modern PERFORMANCE cars, soon all will be replaced by automated sequentials and H-pattern lever would be as any other lever in Ford Model T, that nobody of you can even name at this point without looking into history books.


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BR2'  7y ago

Yeah i dunno what the problem is either, Paddles are superior to manuals, but no where near the leval of fun/excitement, involvement that a Manual has.

Saying that though, most people dont buy a car for the fun factor rather then the just get me there factor.

Every car would be faster with a SuperFast DCT or the likes, but youll take away that "Key" element that alot of people like us look for.

I like a car that Rwa and Brutal, i like a car you have to Tame rather then persuede, i like a car that will kill you if you cant get the job done rather then just given you a slp on the hand, i like that aspect in cars and its never gonna change.


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monkeypop  7y ago

Not sure what exactly this anon guy has against manuals but any time someone mentions that they prefer a manual they swoop in and start trying to convince the person they are wrong for prefering a manual.

Yes the noble would be faster with paddles. We all know this... its not some secret. Hard as it may be for some people to grasp I would rather drive a manual noble than a slightly faster paddle shift noble. No matter how many times you repeat information that I already know I will still prefer a manual. its what I like and find more enjoyable.


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Flabernat  7y ago

@Anon
"...ignition timing by itself, so you drive an AUTOmatic car, instant POS..."
My comment was about the transmission only. Not sure why you get so defensive. I love the 458Italia, all I said was I prefer the M600 because a manual gets you more connected with driving.

@BR2
Exactly what I was thinking. The more effort you put into driving, the more rewarding and enjoyable it is. Leather, compliant ride, creature comforts are low on my priority list for a car.

That's my preference, some people care more about tech, traction management systems, double-clutch paddle operated tranny's and so on, okay that's fine. But it's not what I'm looking for...


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BR2'  7y ago

...Isnt part of having fun, The hard work part? Isnt having fun trying to find and get to the limits of the car?

Dunno bout you lot, but i find a drive the most enjoyable when im TRYING to find the limits of te car, and exploit those limits till i can use them like they were my own, go bak, learn repeat, over n over again, thats fun, not just getting in the car, doing one lap and master it then and there.

Instead of having a button for Fun-Speed, it can be one in the same, I personally have never complained about comfort or ride quality in a car, thats never been a problem for me, Ive goten to take a cross countr trip in a C4 ZR-1 back in the day, i never complained, but that was me.

Also, OldSchool Brute Force, is the way i like cars to be designed, Thats why i like American cars, All the simplicity in the world, people can actually afford them, That Rawness, the BruteForce rather then precision, Thats my type of car.

And what would happen, if i drove both cars...and my opinion would be the same as my firs comment?..would i still be a "Bench Racer?....


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Аnon  7y ago

You are right changing gears with H-shifter could be fun and there always be fun to drive cars like miatas and toyoburu, but when you are trying to explore every bit of performance the necessity to heel-n-toe downshifts quickly transformes into hard work routine, and no matter how good you are slows you down in comparison with "paddles". If Noble was able to get hand on the technology there would be paddle-operated one, but currently they rely on oldschool brutforce power.

There is other point to consider. The car tuned to be fun to drive wouldn't be as fast as the car tuned for pure performance, and vice versa. So is it bad that you could have a magic switch that transformes car's behavior from "fun" to "speed" (and omg - "auto/comfort" ) and back? Or is it better overall to stick to oldschool manual everything approach and have compromises.


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Аnon  7y ago

@E My point was there is no reason based on the spreadsheet to pick one over another. Drive both and pick a winner


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BR2'  7y ago

I dont hate Paddles myself, never have, but i prefer a manual, and i think there better, more involving, there nothing like rowing your own gears with a clutch pedal, you feel more involved with the car, you feel like you have more control over the car, i dont really feel joy in clicking a paddle with my finger tip, i dont mind a sequential, but rather have an H Patten.

About the Atom, The need for performance is getting company pressured into developing faster trannys based on the outcome in these last couple years, same with Porsche, No Manual in the GT3 for the same performanc epressure, and thats a damned shame, Porsche has taken alot of heat from fans for not opting a Manual in the GT3, the GT3 is/was the most driver focused car you may have been able to purchase, now.....

Dunno bout you, but ive never met an entusist who would say a paddle give more pleasur then a stick(lolThat didnt come out right lol) I could bet, if a 458 came with a manual, the driving pleause would be alot better in the reviews.(Maybe)

@E

I think he did in his FIRST comment..