Porsche 911 Carrera S vs Chevrolet Corvette

...Your 3rd line is completely untrue.

Unfortunately it's not relevant, because you still think that they have the same first gear ratios in those 1200hp machines and they dont. Acceleration comes from torque and not hp. A 1200hp gtr will not get to 60mph as fast as it's stock friend.
You also have not answered to the original issue I brought up, that higher volume cars are naturally rated higher.

There is no argument here. It's a fact

@saxy
How about you learn how to present a legitimate argument instead of pulling BS from your backside, then backpedaling when you're called on it?

Also, don't ever tell me what to do. If I want to use modded cars for VALID examples relevant to the subject at hand, I'll do it.

Lol this isn't a site for mod cars so stop bringing them up.

...Yep, I walked right into that one.

Lol XD

...As long as you dont try and bring all the boys to the yard..

@BR2
Uh...I got a milkshake, does that count?

.....So who wants Ice Cream?..

@saxy
Do I really have to spell it out for you? While there may not be an actual asterisk, it's there in principle. You'd have to be a moron to think that's a magazine time.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to call BS on the excuses. Why? Because those were cars capable of running deep into the 9s all day long, yet those clowns had them running 12s. High 12s. That 911 ran an 11.5, if I remember correctly, and it was the fastest car in the video by a huge margin. The CCX was stock and Koenigsegg advertised it as being capable of low 10s @ 140+mph, despite that tall gearing. No, that was all down to drivers with more money than skill.

As shown before using launch control a 997 Carrera S can run 11.7 on normal asphalt as tested by bestmotoring back in 2009. http://youtu.be/TfIfl5qLpx0?t=10m46s
Pretty sure the 991 can easily pull a similar time to the Stingray if we were to compare perfect runs on perfect conditions.

Lol I don't see any asterisk, and the website sure doesn't either. I've never seen a bone stock Koenigsegg ccx lose a drag race to a stock zr1. But according to the fastestlaps.com system, the zr1 is faster over 400m which it surely isn't.

All in all, the most accurate way of comparing cars is to only include tests from non-private testing. Or else someone might as well take out the front and back seats and get a thin girl to drive. Bang, so much for carbon fiber weight saving

And btw, your 1000hp mod cars have much taller gears and off the line actually can't put as much torque to the wheels, let alone to the ground as that Porsche, so obviously over a short distance the Porsche is going to win, especially if it's got a PDK

@saxy
And? It doesn't matter, because that asterisk will always be there. You can't compare strip times with street/parking lot times. You know it, I know it, anyone with a lick of common sense knows it. If a certain "rival" doesn't have a strip time to compare, then you compare magazine times, simple as that.

Also, there are videos of exotics being taken to drag strips all over the net. And let's not forget Moscow Unlimited and the races on M5Board. "lunaticism" is alive and well in the world of limited production; it's just that the people who do it rarely bother to record their times, and they usually suck pretty hard as drivers anyway. I remember one Moscow Unlimited video where there was a Koenigsegg CCX, an 800hp Corvette ZR1, a 1000hp Ford GT and a 1000hp Viper, and the fastest car of the bunch was a bone stock Porsche 911 Turbo.

I think You guys concentrate too much on the details.

As to straight line speed:
-991 have always those rear engine adventage which makes more grip at rear wheels while accelerating.
-The second thing is gearbox. PDK is that good.

One of many reason C7 is faster on track is beceause of torque and balance. Torque and grip is the thing that push You out of corner, and then while in moton, rear engine is no longer adventage, especially in corner balance.

Then in your case, the more common a car is, the more it'll outperform other cars. Because low volume cars will simply haven't had the sure luck and lunaticism to get max results out of the car in unreal conditions

@saxy
I agree, as far as setting benchmarks and averages go. But if we're talking about the absolute pinnacle of what a car is capable of, "perfect" conditions are a must, IMO. While it's always nice to know how fast a car is with "Joe Average" behind the wheel, I, for one, like knowing what a car can do at 10/10ths on its best day.

But like I said, times like those need asterisks or something, so the distinction can be made between mag times and independent ones. It doesn't make sense for the 1/4 mile to be recorded from a drag strip, when every other acceleration figure was recorded in a dusty parking lot by a magazine. Throws the whole thing out of whack and leads to debates/flame wars that go on for 5 pages.

absolute conditions aren't really a good standard to go by if you ask me. Low fuel, low tire pressure, new tires, fresh burn-out, perfect rubbered in surface, and perfect temperature... and a lot of luck with the driver.

with the same driver and same surface, the Porsche will win most of the time.

saying that a car's official 1/4 mile time is the one single time a car made a magical time, is like saying Jeremy Lin is as good as any superstar BBall player like Durant or Westbroek, because he once went on a hot streak before too.

@196ss
Actually, when you're talking about drag strip runs, the fastest stock C6 Z06 has run a 10.9 @ 128mph. An 11.4 would be at #8 on the "Fast List", so it's far from the best the Z06 can do.

On the strip, it's all about traction off the line. The first 300ft are what truly make or break your runs. If you're still spinning your tires after that, expect a crappy run. But if you're hooked up, all you have to worry about is hitting your gears.

@CoolShirtGuy
I can beleave in 3,6 0-60, it is possible with ideal traction. But even with best start 11,5@120mph means 200kph ~12 sec, not 14. Best 1/4 mile for C6Z06 is 11,4 and it hits 200kph in 11,9sec. C7 Stingray can't have same straight line performance.

That said, just like the ZR1 time, if it's going to stay here, it needs an asterisk next to it, indicating that it wasn't a magazine time...

I agree. I don't doubt that the numbers are possible but it does open a can of worms. There's nothing to stop someone from posting a time from a car that claims to be stock but isn't.

I think the site should only list independently tested times (magazine, tv shows) and factory claims that should be labeled as such (FC).