Ferrari 488 Pista specs

Thank you. The fact that the 650S is the next generation from the 12C means it competes with its successor. Also the 650S is 2014, the 488 GTB is 2015. So they are also comparable with age. If the 650S was 2013, then it would be unfair to compare to the 488 GTB.

The 488 Pista is supposed to compete with the 675LT, but because McLaren release cars too quick, it is too old. The 458 Speciale is also too old to compete with the 675LT. The best Ferrari competitor to the 675LT in terms of age is the F12tdf. Both are limited track edition RWD supercars from 2015. But the F12tdf has a layout disadvantage.

Why would the 2019 488pista be compared to the 2015 675lt?

why would mclaren release cars too quickly then? because they cannot beat competitions fair and square

How do you release a car too quickly?..

Wow this is the most stupid thing I ever heard.

According to you Koenigseggs should be compared to cars 15 years in the future. And gosh they suck because a 12 year old CCX is considerably slower than Ferrari 488 Pista. And it’s Koenigseggs fault for releasing their car 12 years too early.

Gosh that is the lamest thing ever said

Purely speculation, but despite being longer the GP track has two very tight chicanes. Maybe the tyre advantage allows the pista to claw more time in these super tight corners. Acceleration wise the two cars should be dead even (based on the numbers at least)

possible. however, 720s was on trofeo Rs that are no slouch
themselves. i do not know the difference in performance between
these two tyres.

If the 720s was on trofeos that makes the pista time even more impressive. Would like to see a 3 way duel with the pista, 720s and gt2rs all on identical tyres. My money is on the pista.

apparently it was on both tracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvpskD3-YFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11wk2LiBjjc
in the club configuration they answered to an explicit user's question.

"Would like to see a 3 way duel with the pista, 720s and gt2rs all on identical tyres. My money is on the pista."
hopefully, on various kind of tracks. but we are only dreaming to see fair tests, given the amount of shit automotive journalists are full of.

All of the 720s lap times are done on Corsas or regular P-Zero street tires. None were done on Trofeo Rs. I would wager a guess most of the delta between the 720s and the Pista is in the tires (since specs-wise both cars are otherwise practically identical).

so you are contraddicting the authors of the test, motorsport magazine. were you at magny-cours with better glasses than theirs checking the tires? most likely, you are just making up the reality you wished to be.

To be fair, the 720s is not the track focused version. Very little aero at all. There’s a 720s track pack and possibly the 750lt which is the true competitor to the Pista.

The 720S is the Pista rival based on track times, horsepower, power-to-weight, and engine. Fully loaded, 720S and Pista both go in the US$400K-500K range. The 750LT will go after the Lambo Aventador SVJ

The 720S is the Pista rival based on track times, horsepower, power-to-weight, and engine. Fully loaded, 720S and Pista both go in the US$400K-500K range. The 750LT will go after the Lambo Aventador SVJ

And RS7 has the same Hock time as a Golf Clubsport S....Does that make them rivals?...

Sorry, I assumed the 720s never used Trofeo R based on the other tests it’s done. I am not familiar with this Magny-Cours test, just shows one should never make blind assumptions. Cheers mate

It doesnt, Trofeos are not n option for a 720 no where, if it is on those tyres when it made the lap the time should ne removed

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Doesn't sound like different oem tires should be a problem.

The 720s has decent aero, but I would agree that it is not as aggressive as the Pista’s aero. 720s’ relative lack of pace might also be due to its softer suspension. I remember Robert Mitchell and Misha Charoudin mentioned the softer suspension (compared to Robert’s 675LT) as one of their concerns about using the 720s on the Nurburgring after they drove it there for the first time.

That’s what I was thinking as well, which is exactly why I made the blind assumption it wasn’t using Trofeos.

They arent an option, Plain n simple, You could get special drag tyres if u asked from them, fact is PPZTR arent tires that come with the car, There not even bespoke for the car, Its one off customer customization thats not on a serial car.

With this car you either get the PPZ, Or PPZC, As an option, I think only 1 or 2 times was done with PPZ, And the others PPZC, But i think this lap was with TR, Ill have to check.

"if it is on those tyres when it made the lap the time should ne removed"

i disagree. As long as tires used for the lap times (and whether they are optional or not) are clearly stated, it still is an important piece of information about the car. Fact is that journalists are so ignorant, they think tires are not relevant to lap times and regularly do not mention about them.

Au contraire my friend, journalists are perfectly aware but as you and cosimo mention, they often have agendas. I remember reading the article where autocar (or another magazine not 100 percent sure) "expose" ferrari for using cheat tyres. Cheat tyres that were Cup 2s on the 488 gtb. Saying this is dishonest etc... Do they also mention that Porsche's GT3rs is using the very same tyres? Of course not. When porsche use cup 2s, it is "overlooked". When ferrari does it, they are critisised and branded as dishonest.

If this isnt bias i dont know what is.

"Maranello should simply have had the confidence to let it do that on a level playing field."
Is the actual quote. For them i guess a "level playing field" is a gt3rs on cup 2s and a 488 on Corsas or Michelin supersports.
What. A. Magazine.

So your saying that using non stock tyres are okay for a laptime?

A 488 GTB has optional MPSC2s, Always had, And there is no level playing field when comparing a 488 to a GT3, That big price difference, Not too mention the 200bhp difference, Theres simply no comparing the 2. But i have not read that article, But i see zero reason to call Ferrari dishonest for using its stock tyres.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/tester%E2%80%99s-notes/not-so-curious-case-ferrari-488-autocar-road-test-and-cup-tyres

Read the article.
My point being magazines will gladly overlook a tyre advantage for certain companies (Porsche comes to mind) and make a meal about other companies doing it (ferrari, mclaren). I recall autocar or evo (not sure which) saying mclaren had to "cheat" with the p1 and get trofeo Rs to beat the 918 which was on the cup 2. They forgot to mention that the Cup 2 is a FAR superior tyre to the Corsa the Mclaren was originally on.

Interesting article, I find it extremely weird that they called Ferrari and they said it wasnt an option, Thats very strange, Yet they are infact an option over MPSS....Very weird, Im curious as to who they talked too.

On the 918 vs P1, That i call very questionable, At the time the P1 never had an option for Trofeos, A year or so later then they had optional ones, And Bespoke too, Not too mention they came back 2 weeks later with newer non optional tyres along with new suspension calibration, And the driver had more time in the car, Now i wouldnt call that cheating, But if your gonna do a laptime comparison, Same day same driver is the best way to do it, Know we all know MPSC2s are a grippier tyre then PPZC,, But saying FAR superior, Atleast in terms of pure grip is a stretch, Not too mention know there are Corsa Systems which are ahead of Corsas. But again, Theres more to laptimes then tyres, We all no they make an impact, But there not the end all to be all, Thats proven, And no 2 cars are the same, So of course one car will always have some type of advantage or disadvantage, Hell 2kg can be one.

and keep in mind that autocar is one of the magazines with less suspicious ferrari lap times, until now.
It all started with Harris, the day of the introduction of mclaren 12c, to come out with straight accuses of cheating. Back then ferraris were only high revving NA engines and the ******* did not even have the BASIC knowledge that such engines simply cannot be tuned, unlike mclaren's and porsches' turbos. That squarely tells you about the competence and fanboysm these jounalists/youtubers have.
Now, years later, more and more magazines downright threat retaliations against ferrari anytime they feel like. People in Ferrari have always been stupid and naive, thinking they need these scummy people to promote their cars. Instead of banning them for life at the first attempt of blackmailing/cheating, after an initial rant,
they eventually allowed them to test their cars again. You know
what? People in ferrari fully deserve all the shit they get, since they ask for it. It is the brand "Ferrari", the one created by Enzo, that does not deserve this, nor it deserves the imbecils who have been running the company in the last years.

according to sportauto france, a fair test between 430 scuderia and
corvette zr1 is one with a corvette racing pilot, allowing corvette having TWO TIMES the lap attempts of 430 scuderia.
The editor called ferrari cheating as they sent de simone to check the test at spa. But finally it was him to insist that scuderia had the right of the same number of lap attempts as covette. This test is absolutely exemplary in showing what is "normal" for these
clowns: sandbagging, using pilots with specific abilities, less lap attempts for ferraris, etc. Asking for same tires=ferrari cheating,
asking for same number of laps=ferrari cheating, asking for pilot with no conflict of interests=ferrari cheating

Impressive time even with these tires.

Very very slick indeed. Looks super fun to drive. 2.x g in the slow corner is an alarming amount of grip from a road tyre. Those cup 2 r really R something.

this proves that when gt2 bs is on standard cup 2 it's hardly any faster than gt3 rs lol

the cup 2 r alone shows the time it shaves, but fanboys here will always disagree.

gt2 bs relying on fish tank on stickier tires to make it look fast, but in reality it hardly can get close to 600lt lol