Ferrari F80 specs

Never Beats AMG one, and all owners of this are horrible drivers and bitches that Just like the price of the car

Like Bugatti owners

I sense some hate.

The AMG One has less downforce, power and more weight, not to mention less advanced suspension. The F80 not only has the advantage in all of those categories but it also doesnt suffer by turbolag and it will not overheat nor loose performance over time as the other competitors do (said by ex-the stig).

I don't see why the AMG One should be better on track.

Let it race first, then do the talk. The F80 is already 4 years younger, if not 7 less years in development

Yes but nothing suggests that the AMG One will be faster, it has nothing over the F80. The F80 also has the Boos Optimization System that optimizes power delivery based on the track your on.

It would be stupid to deny the obvious advantage the F80 has.

In terms of public testing though, the one has a significant advantage

The only public testing we got for the F80 are 2 laps made by a journalist and 1 demonstration lap with a passenger and no assists.

They arent that comparable to a manufacturer effort at the Nürburgring.

Exactly. You can say all you want about the F80 but you dont know how fast it is

Specsheet is enough

Lol sure bud

Specsheet already gives the win to the F80 by a landslide.

Ben Collins said that the others in the segment are not close to it.

I mean that's A LOT of information that could be used to lay a baseline.

The spec sheet is not the end-all, be-all of car performance. You should know that as a Ferrari simp.

Yes but since we don't have much, that is the most important thing right now.

The most important thing is figuring out when Ferrari will actually do some laps with the car. If they do, then we will be able to judge. Not until then. You cannot claim to be the fastest car in the world and then not actually test your car (eg Koenigsegg)

then we will be able to judge.

But for what we have now, the F80 has the advantage.

Advantage on paper, but it is not conclusively faster until it is tested at full tilt at the same track.

"Specsheet already gives the win to the F80 by a landslide."

we already know that the AMG One has more power than claimed. we already know that Ferrari have a habit of manipulating numbers, both weight and downforce figures. 1525kg dry weight is very likely to be 1700+kg in real weight, so should be very similar to the AMG One. The aero, though may be the most advanced for any road Ferrari, but the AMG is no slouch either, and has both the high cornering speed and slippery straight line acceleration to back it up.

As one said before, on paper is one thing, in real life and on the track is another.

All this talk about the AMG One somewhat forgets the main direct competitor. The McLaren W1. Chris Harris (who has driven both) already said in his newest video that the W1 feels like it's better on the track (while the Ferrari seems a bit better on the street). No wonder as it weighs less and has more power.

that the W1 feels like it's better on the track

He did not, that was Top Gear.

And they did not say that, they said that it feels more slidy and there is more going on and therefore will be more fun. What Chris Harris actually said?

They might have lost a bit of laptime, but it's more fun.

Regarding the lack of AWD Torque vectoring.

we already know that the AMG One has more power than claimed.

Nobody has put an AMG One on a dyno.

manipulating [...] downforce figures

Lol no. That magazine tested the downforce of the 458 inaccurately as it was specified in the post about it.

The aero, though may be the most advanced for any road Ferrari

And than the AMG One, the F80 features a triplane configuration at the front that alone produces 500kg+ of downforce. The rear wing has three positions compared to the fixed wing (changes only when changing mode) on the AMG and also has DRS. Do not forget the Boost Optimization.

Both F1 and at least one 499P driver own one.

Gemini answer: here

I tried to ask gemini too but it seems to be allucinating. I think there is a cut somewere because when he says: "Basically, all these straights got a bit shorter" he is at 15-16...but 10 seconds later we see him sliding at turn 3.

True!

So no laptime👎🏻

Agree, but this will never go on the Nurburgring lol

I don't think that was a full effort lap

Driven by a journalist and timed with a youtube video lol, probably not even a full effort.

Yeah, no shit.
Remember how you reacted when I dared to say Koenigsegg's Gotland Ring lap wasn't full attack?

Funny how it suddenly becomes perfectly acceptable for a lap to not be pushing the limits as soon as we change brands. Love how there's even a mega fast 911 GT3 RS in both of these scenarios.

If Ferrari is barely faster than a Porsche, it's fine, they weren't pushing.
If Koenigsegg is barely faster than a Porsche, it's because it's a shit car.

Was koinegseg laptime also Calculated from a review video? Look I get your point, but ferrari lap wasn't a timed lap like koeinegseg ,plus you can clearly see that there are two people in the f80, you just calculated laptime from the video lol.

don't be stupid you are comparing apples to oranges, ferrari lap was far from full effort and besides that koeinegseg pushed their car twice on the gotland ring

Exactly, this laptime is timed from a youtube video lol, even a base 296gtb will pull a 2sec gap against 2018 gt3rs

I'm aware of why none of those F80 laps were optimal. For one, the Italian journalist went faster than Raffa... that says it all really. And not that it matters a great deal in this scenario, but he didn't carry a passenger.

Now let me ask you... Why do you deny the context of the Sadair's Spear lap?
Consider the lack of run-off at Gotland Ring. Make one mistake and you're in a sand bank, or worse, a concrete wall. Your precious sole prototype is ****ed, and you've now delayed the whole program.
Add to that the fact that Markus Lundh doesn't have any competition credentials or motorsport background (no offense to him).

That's why comparing these Misano and Gotland Ring lap times is not as unfair as you paint it to be. Misano is a much shorter and infinitely more safe track, where even a journo can relatively quickly get up to speed and push without worrying about crashing.

My simulation puts F80 at 1:35. That would be about 4% improvement vs these press drives. Everybody seems to be in agreement that this is fair.
I said I can see SS dip into 2:4x, which you promptly ridiculed, like the ignorant that you are. But a 2:49 lap would represent the same 4% improvement. It shouldn't be that hard to give it a benefit of the doubt, unless selective bias is at play.

If you think your assertion that "Koenigsegg pushed twice on Gotland Ring" will be taken at face value, without you having to back it up with any arguments whatsoever, you are mistaken.

Look I am not biased at all, as much i love ferrari but sf90xx is a poor performer in my eyes as it did horrible at hockenheimring, and trust me if f80 won't able to beat senna at hockenheimring you will find me criticising it too, funny enough flavio manzoni (chief designer of ferrari) blocked me on instagram as i criticized the 12 cilindri design in his post
Now talking about koeinegseg, i deny your claims cause your logic is flawed ,you said something like that koeinegseg is multiple seconds faster than gt3rs on laguca seca , so automatically it will be multiple seconds faster on gotland ring too, heck recently tested by motor Trend czinger was only 0.5sec faster than gt3rs, shouldn't it be atleast 3-4sec faster, according to your logic?? And besides the guy who drove gt3rs on gotland ring isn't a racing driver, laguna seca has 160mph straight,on that section alone koeinegseg and czinger will gain 1.5 sec lead on gt3rs, and most importantly gt3rs lap wasn't factory effort, imo gotland ring favours the porsche

Do i think sadar spear will stretch it's lead on gt3rs? absolutely yes
Do i think it will dip into 2:4X ? Absolutely not, i don't think it's a better cornering car than mighty gt3rs, and porsche braking power is also a lot better

Also can you provide me the timestamps of when the laptime begins and ends, cause i can clearly see a passenger in the f80

In that Laguna Seca post, I used % differences across different tracks to illustrate why the Koenigsegg lap time(s) didn't live up to its potential. What exactly was flawed in my logic?

That Porsche guy from Gotland Ring went 1.77s slower than an FIA Gold factory Manthey driver, Nico Menzel, on Spa Francorchamps with GT3 RS Manthey. Such a small delta could come down to just cutting the Raidillon a little bit, or even track conditions. By all accounts, he's a phenomenal driver. And that's why I picked his Gotland Ring lap as a point of reference in correcting all of my simulated results for this track. Unless there's a factor of SS being sensitive to road undulation or anything like that, it will dip into 2:4x, should it be driven to the same standard as the Porsche.

As for the Chuckwalla laps. If we take the set of cars that Motor Trend lapped there as a point of reference, the GT3 RS should have been slower. Or if the GT3 RS is the reference, the MT cars should have been faster. It's your apples to oranges situation - moderate performance vs over-performance. Simple as that.

The biggest advantage GT3 RS has over SS (outside of endurance factor) is simply the drivability. And maybe tire management.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-RcMs34IQ&t=1390s

well probably true

Your logic is dumb as fck, it's like saying sf90 is multiple seconds faster than gt3rs on a topgear track, so that means it automatically will be multiple seconds faster on all tracks, but we all know even sf90xx isn't that much faster compared to gt3rs, and yes I know the reason why sf90 is faster on topgear, awd -1000+hp, your logic behind SS hypothetical laptime is same, offcourse on a fast track with long straights 1600hp koeinegseg will be multiple seconds faster than 500hp porsche that too when porsche lap wasn't factory effort

and honestly recent czinger testing further solidify my argument that Sadar spear dipping into 2:4X is daydreaming ,both czinger and koinegseg are multiple seconds faster than gt3rs on the laguna seca but only a hair ahead on a technical track with no long straights- two different cars, two different tracks,two different drivers yet same underwhelming result against gt3rs on a downforce oriented track ,and the most funny fact is that czinger 21c has poor braking performance compared to mustang gtd 🥴, tested by motor Trend an obese mustang gtd has shorter braking distance, and that's not all-

gt3rs has the highest average minimum speed around the corners at nurburgring, much much higher than amg one, at sachsenring it's faster than senna, yet you won't accept that porsche is better at braking zones and corners ,you will use stupid logic of yours - "% differences across different tracks"

That's fine. None of what you wrote constitutes criticism in any way, because you couldn't even begin to describe back to me the method I use to arrive at my positions. What you think it is, the % differences, was just an argument based on analysis of observable realities. And even that still went over your head.

With you there is no logic at all. You layer these unrelated comparisons over one another like some retarded MMA math, failing to identify over-performances, while ignoring inconvenient context. You don't arrive at positions, you selectively pick and choose whatever angle of attack suits you best to justify your biased positions.

You think you are enlightening me with some radical new information? I know all about those average speeds at Nordschleife, I've done the compilations. Yes, GT3 RS has superior min. corner speeds to most cars. Guess what's missing from that data set? Starts with a K and ends with egg.

I saw a tweet the other day that describes my experience with you on here:

"People who know less than you will preach to you like they know more than you, because they think their failure to see your point means you don't have one."

Whatever keep day dreaming about how koeinegseg will do 2:4X laptime, seriously you don't have an explanation to back your stupid claims about how czinger did horrible at motor Trend, you are just cherry picking a single decent laptime of koeinegseg and czinger on laguca seca and using as a reference,but but koeinegseg and czinger is X% on laguna seca, by my stupid ahh logic of "% differences across different tracks their laptime on gotland ring and motor Trend, it's fake lmao

Why would I daydream about a brand I don't even like?

Where did I say Czinger did horrible with Motor Trend???
It did well. My simulated 21C is super flawed, because I based it on AMG One power stats (which itself is largely a guesswork) due to lack of data , and yet it still came within a second off of the real lap time.

I couldn't even tell you what "stupid claims" you imagine that I hold with the way you tend to misconstrue everything I say.

Einstein according to your reasoning - shouldn't czinger be 2-3sec faster than gt3rs???, but it's not, you didn't use your stupid reasoning here, for SS underwhelming performance you started arguing that koeinegseg is 4-5% faster than gt3rs on laguna seca, you were claiming that koeinegseg will pull similar gap at gotland ring too, and it will dip into 2:4X, each car has it's own strength, koeinegseg and czinger being multiple seconds faster than gt3rs on a fast track doesn't guarantee they will pull same %lead on a technical track

I am surprised that you didn't use this absurd way of calculating a laptime as a counter argument for czinger , i thought you would say something stupid like - but but czinger is 5% faster than gt3rs on laguna seca, motor Trend clearly didn't push the car enough according my calculations and data czinger can easily do 1:XX laptime lmao

You are acting like samyt, that kid is still in denial that zr1x is quicker than Chiron SS in quarter mile, like you he will use his data and calculations and claims that Chiron SS is a quicker car, you are acting like him-- but but sadar spear is X% faster than gt3rs on laguna seca, it will pull same % lead on gotland ring too, and will do 2:4X laptime lmao

Look I am not looking for a fight, but we should hold this conversation for now,both czinger and koinegseg hasn't done shit on some competive track, hopefully we see more independent testing of them , hopefully a hockenheimring laptime by sportauto, cheers✌️

If you're asking why I chose to scale the results in the screenshot the way I did, it's because they're best presented when contrasted as close as possible to the largest homogeneous set of data in that pool of lap times.
Showing higher potential of all cars involved was not the intention. But again, it can be easily done. It's a matter of changing single value in the database (in this case the correction factor was 0.99).

Get it through your head that I don't arrive at these lap time estimates using % differences! That was an isolated argument that you latched onto, thinking that's all there is to it. You are right to call this logic stupid, because it's a construct of your idiotic mind.

Through bias and context denial, you are unwilling or unable to distinguish between solid baseline performance and outliers. That makes you stuck in a loop of never-ending "but how is this faster here, when it's slower over there?".
There's no reasoning with someone like that. You are barely even a sentient being.

Offcourse now you will write paragraphs to justify your idiociity😭🤣, and I am latched too your % differences point cause you don't how laptimes works, you don't know how hp difference ,awd, weight, tyre size plays a different role on different types of tracks, You blantly pull stupid assumptions from your ass, but but koeinegseg is 5% faster on gotland ring,they will easily do 2:4X laptime, ignoring how gotland diggers from fast laguna seca and porsche lap wasn't factory supported 🤦
Recent czinger testing further mocks your way of thinking lmao

See? Nothing but projections and baseless antipathy. I clocked you so good with that tweet quote. It was never about finding truth, you just pass time arguing on the internet... And rather poorly at that.

Ohh the irony,Look at your original comment, claiming that sadar spear would do 2:4X is baseless antipathy 🤣🥴

you are not so different compare to that samyt kid, doing most stupid stimulation and calculations and pulling random performance numbers ,as for now sadar spear did 2:55, I wonder what excuse you will bring if jesko successor won't able to dip into 2:4X lmao, 6sec is a huge performance gap
And I don't want to argue more regarding this topic, peace ✌️

1:40.24

Well that's ****ing fast

Also, this guy did two fast laps in his video.
lap1 was 1:39.37
lap2 was 1:40.35

But this time it's less conclusive, because he switches between two camera feeds which seem to be a couple of frames out of sync.

https://youtu.be/8M-RcMs34IQ?t=1508

Ive added the main laptime. 8 seconds faster then the 991.1 GT3 RS over a 1.5 minute track is very fast

Im going to find some times to contextualize the lap time better

1 second faster then the 991.2 GT3 RS at full tilt: https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/uer9l02fkh0z

And remember that this could also be fsr off the car's potential!

@humana i'd add this too.

Still only 2 seconds faster than a 3RS. I doubt he was pushing to the max, but it is still not as good as it was cracked up to be.

A LAPTIME! HOLY MAMA

Yep, though not at full tilt, i doubt this thing is that slow

i doubt this thing is that slow

wow, shocking discovery

It would be 10 second ahead in like 5 laps thats like Lmp1 vs lmp2 speed

@Lello75 & @Cauf40f50
Funny: If it was a ZR1X that was only 2 seconds per lap faster than an old (!) 991.2 GT3 RS (which is easily two seconds slower than a 992 GT3 RS) you guys would say it's "embarrassing". The mental gymnastics that some people go through...

No

You can only add images with accounts, he allegedly bans the IP's of those who do this, though I am yet to see that be effective.