Ferrari SF90 Stradale specs

The kerb(curb) weight of SF90 is 1741kg according to Ferrari not 1570kg which is a dry weight so pls change...

According to Ferrari?
What???
Have Ferraris started to indicate a realistic curb weight?
Universe has started to rotate in the other direction?

lol it appears MotorTrend didn't weigh the SF90 according to this statement
"weighs 3,839 pounds according to Ferrari's own racing scales. (This is considerably more than the 3,454-pound dry weight—so, without fluids—Ferrari quoted us when we first drove the car seven weeks ago. )" The 1741kg may have been with little fuel but until someone independently weighs the SF90 we won't know for certain.

Something definitely went wrong...
Probably Ferrari will also allow testing costumer cars now?

It appears that they aren't as uptight as they have been previously re tests of their cars and it's about bloody time i say.

lying about weight isn't as bad as lying about power output tsk tsk vw-911 turbo barely has 640hp and beats everything off the line husk musk

https://www.instagram.com/elonhuskmusk

Lying is lying. It has no sub division. You either do or you don't.

Lmao what kind of logic is that.

How dare you a manufacturer give more power or perform better than originally stated. That’s such a terrible thing

And this is WITH the special expensive track pack already. Sheesh… how much does the car actually weigh in stock at base price then?

He's probably just salty because his Italian horses usually make less power than claimed.

could there be anything worst than this kind of lie ?

german liars always get away with a slap on the wrist

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/04/germany-politics-higher-education-phd-merkel/

to a greener germany and vw cars

That's a bloody fast lap and it's only about 5 to 6 sec slower than a GT3 car there.

It is also only 3 seconds slower than 80-es Le-Mans hero Porsche 962

Interesting, that 918 had higher peak speed - 176 mph.

Ferrari surely LOVES the USA... as Lamborghini and Porsche stick to Europe "loyalty"

Indianapolis? That's a thing? With the infield, OK!

Take it to Spa Francochamps or Silverstone? Who was the previous record holder?

The Porsche 918 Spyder.

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/indianapolis-motor-speedway-road-course

For all 918 Owners - RIP

Thank You.

60 mph in 2 seconds with rollout, and quarter in 9,5 with Assetto Fiorano package...
Impressive, and this car isn't made for drag racing only.

That's some pretty impressive timings! Wish they'd of give 100MPH, 130MPH and 150MPH timings plus 200MPH!

ferrari never builds cars to impress drag racers and fat muricans that only know one thing, straight line driving for less than a minute and get out to talk about the pros & cons :)

hostboy while heading to work

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a37067900/ferrari-sf90-stradale-2-second-0-60-time/

0-60= 2
0-100= 4.4
0-150= 9.8

Slightly slower than Quattroruote times despite using rollout.

Accidentally downvoted!

US-spec cars are heavier, that's why

Top speed:
332.1 kmh (a bit disappointing)
Rolling:
70-120 kmh in 2.5s
30-60 kmh in 2.1s
Braking:
100-0 kmh: 32.8m
200-0 kmh: 121.1m
Electric mode data (not as great ahah)
Top speed: 142 kmh
Acceleration:
0-100 kmh: 10s
1/4 mile: 17.3s
1 km from a standstill: 33.2s
Rolling:
70-120 mph: 8.3s

Also, maximal lateral acceleration: 1.28 g (in the picture with the ev acceleration, under "prove dinamiche-tenuta di strada-accelerazione laterale")

Those figures for the SF90 are quicker than dragy figures i've seen and would have to include roll-out which i assume Quattroruote use...

i don't think european tests use roll-out.

if you skip to 5:19 you'll see how they launch the car

2.7 for 720s
2.9 huracan
2.9 488

You have the roll-out, aside the acceleration figures you have "ripresa in D/VII", which means roll-out in automatic mode/7th gear... There are 6 runsm. As for the numbers being better than those seen in drag, I'll say this:
It's an Assetto Fiorano, plus at Quattroruote they know how to exploit the potential of a car... Even for the 720s,the best numbers (0-200 in 7s, 0-300 in 18.6s, 1/4 mile in 9.9s) came from Quattroruote. It's by far the best car magazine in Italy.

Oh sorry, I thought you meant rolling races... No the didn't t do the 0-100 kmh with roll-out

Hot temperature..

They do not measure top speed. This is theoretical.

Yes they measured it... The theoretical one is about 340 kmh if I remember well

https://germancarforum.com/threads/quattroruote-velocita-massima.58709/

I hope you know that these are calculated topspeeds, no real measurements. :)

Why should they not being measuring the top speeds?

As I read somewhere, they don't have enough track length to measure.

No media outlet has access to closed stretch of road long and safe enough to do top speeds for cars that go over 250 kph.

If they are German media they could be adventurous and try doing this on autobahn but that is unsafe to say the least and highly dependent on traffic conditions. Also many parts of nice straight autobahn could have incline and decline, which ruins results. Also weather for the day - perhaps strong headwind or tailwind.

You can leave Quattroroute top speeds as is or change them to estimates, or just add new ones as estimates.

Here is example of latest Quattroroute I changed to have top speed as estimate.

https://fastestlaps.com/edit-pub/nt9kcc28u6z0

As you know, estimates are always replaced by real data, so if there is real top speed, the estimated one will not appear anywhere, other than average top speed (not that there is any place yet where average top speed is displayed)

The problem i have with the 0-100km/h time of 2.19 sec without roll-out is that it means using American figures that equates to 1.9 sec 0-60mph which is implausible given the figures i've seen on a dragstrip for the SF90 ie. 0-60mph in 2.29 sec with roll-out(using a Dragy). You've gotta remember that a 0.3 sec difference within those parameters is huge. Anyway let's see what others can do before i call Quattroruote figures bullshit :P

Usually Quattroruote is a pretty reliable source, they are very professional. We'll see what the other tests say though

Well like i said without roll-out 0-100km/h in 2.19 which would equate to 0-60mph in 2.08/9 sec on the street has never been attained by any production car, independently tested, whether it be ICE or EV so it's a stretch IMO.

Not even the world's fastest car the TurboS has achieved that :P

Oh, come on. Again you will tell us about dragtimes youtube channel being more reliable source than Quattroroute? It's like trusting a late-night TV show more than a newscast.
100 km/h in 2.19 corresponds to about 2.11-2.12 seconds to 60 mph without rollout. Which in turn corresponds to approximately 2.0 seconds with the rollout. This is 0.2 faster than Porsche 918, which is not surprising since SF90 is more powerful and has grippier tires.
I think that with all these new super sticky rubber compounds, colossal electric motors, advanced launch control systems, we are now on the threshold of an era when 100 kph in less than 2 seconds will became relatively normal.
To think, I caught the time when 100 kph in less than 3.5 seconds was considered impossible for road cars.

The Quattroroute does test cars for maximum speed, but their test track is only about 2 km, so top speeds over 300 km/h they probably can't measure and use calculated data.

Oh come on yourself. Let's get real for a second. First, you and i were not there for the Q test so we have their word only. Second the Dragy figures were backed up by the dragstrip electronic timing. Did they both lie?? Of course not so open your eyes!

Quattroroute also make videos and uses high-precision speed measuring equipment.
Dragy figures and dragstrip electronic timing could be falsified if desired (or cars could be modified).
So we have only a Word for both of them.
And even if they both do not lie to us, the results still can be very different due to variations in conditions, testers, fuel used, not to mention the difference in specifications of European and American cars.

" Dragy figures and dragstrip electronic timing could be falsified if desired"???Absolutely impossible. Show me Quattroruote GPS acceleration figures in real time on video for a Ferrari pls.

In addition the quickest 0-60mph for the SF90 on the street i've seen is 2.35sec which was 2.17 with roll-out. To then go 1.9 with roll-out is utterly absurd...

Thank you for saying that distrusting Quattroruote while trusting dragy times is like doubting a newscast while trusting a late night show. It just doesn't make sense.
RANT ALERT:
Quattroruote measures pretty much everything, from the Dbs that can be heard inside the vehicle, to the level of the vibrations that can be felt when the car passes over an obstacle (to test the suspensions), from the real cargo space (usually measured with tennis balls) to the real emissions (tested in specific conditions: city, highway, mixed), from dynamic tests which value how fast the car changes direction, lateral acceleration, stability ecc ecc (slalom and things like that), to braking figures, repeated 10 times (to see how consistent the brakes are), even on uneven surfaces (like pavé) and ice-covered surfaces. They test all sorts of accelerations (not just the 1/4 mile like the majority of youtube dragracers) and they also measure the rolling timed. They also measure the cx to see how aerodynamic the car really is and they actually measure themselves the real weight of the car (which happens to be 1821 kg in this case). Most importantly they measure the performance of the car on their own track (Vairano, and for extremely fast vehicles also Vairano pro). As if that weren't enough, after all the measurements and some pages of review, they post a final evaluation of the car-which you can see in the Google drive fold that I shared with you- which awards a mark that goes from 0.5 star to 5 stars for 20 parameters (driving seat, commands, infotainment, air conditioning, visibility, quality of the materials/refinement, safety features, accessories, rear legspace/head space/space in the front, cargo space, comfort (suspensions and acoustic isolation), engine, acceleration, rolling, gearshift, steering, brakes, drivability, fuel consumption, price). It's such a complete review. From a scientific point of view Quattroruote is leaps and bounds above Topgear or Evo, which don't take a single measurement and give a mark from 1 to 10 (in topgear case) based on subjective impressions, not on how well a car does in every parameter. Dragtimes, car wow etc etc are entertaining but they are not on the same level of professionalism of Quattroruote. The fact that in many dragraces from carwow you can see the drivers laughing while driving is already telling. I like carwow but seriously... If you are 100% scientific, you focus on driving, not on making jokes for the public. Besides, there are so many inconcistencies: different drivers with different reaction times... Not to mention the fact that they often put an AWD car like the Turbo S against a RWD Mclaren 720s on a wet surface, giving the wrong impression that the Turbo is faster than the Mclaren, which is far from the truth (unless we are exclusively about launch control). Dragtimes is good but it's still less scientific than Quattroruote. Btw Brooks tested the sf90 only 3 times. Once on a wet road where it did the 0-60 in 2.8s because of the bad weather, an other time on the street at 1800 m, with 2 people on board , a tank full of gas and without the Assetto Fiorano, and it did the 0-60 in 2.45s (which means 0-100 in 2.5s despite the awful conditions). The last time on the dragstrip the Ferrari did again the 0-60 in 2.45s and did the 1/4 mile in 9.5s, while the Mclaren 765lt did the 0-60 in more than 3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in more than 10s. It's pretty obvious that the conditions of that dragstrip were not optimal, given the bad times for the Mclaren and the fact that the Ferrari didn't do any better than it did on the road in suboptimal conditions. Quattroruote takes multiple attempts and always tries to find the best possible conditions. It managed to launch RWD vehicles like a 720s in 2.6s or a gt2rs in 2.55s (0-100 kmh)- things that carwow could never do (their times for RWD vehicles are terrible, with the 720s doing 10.4s, while Quattroruote did 9.9s). If a RWD 720S did 2.6s, it doesn't surprise me that this Ferrari did 2.2s. Btw why the sf90 should launch worse than a 992 Turbo S? Is there an written rule that only Porsche are allowed to break records? Are Italians are forbidden from breaking records? Yes, the Turbo S has an insane launch control, a rear engine and it's AWD. However the Ferrari also has 2 rear electric engines, an insane launch control, a much superior power output (1000 vs 650 hp), 220 hp of instant electric power and it's AWD as well. It doesn't surprise me that the sf90 launches even better than the 992 Turbo S. Let's not forget that Brooks on dragy got the 765lt to do the 0-60 in 2.1s (in the famous run which resulted in the 9.33s 1/4 mile). If the 765lt on the dragstrip can go that low, it's not surprising that the Ferrari, which launches a lot better, is capable of doing the 0-100 kmh in 2.2s. Finally... Having 2 sources that give different numbers doesn't mean that they are lying to us. Acceleration numbers depend on the driver's ability, road conditions, tyres conditions etc etc. Remember that on YouTube we got all sorts of numbers from the 765lt: from a record breaking 9.33s to a 10.25s 1/4 mile on the dragstrip and on a wet road. Numbers vary, that's how it is. That being said, I'd trust a reliable source like Quattroruote, which has been doing its job for more than 60 years every month, more than any youtube channel, no matter how popular or entertaining it is.

First of all, on average the difference between the 0-60 mph and the 0-100 kmh is 3.5%. 2.2×0.965=2.12s. So the equivalent 0-60 mph is 2.12s, not 1.9s. If the best number on YouTube that you saw is 2.35s, it doesn't surprise me that Quattroruote managed to do 0.2s better. I remember that Brooks did the 0-60 in 2.45s at 1800m, with 2 people on board, gas full of tank, and without the Assetto Fiorano. Quattroruote took multiple attempts, it was an Assetto Fiorano, with only the driver aboard, the tank was not full, it wasn't 1800 m above the sea level, the tyres were super sticky (cup2R I guess, since it's an Assetto Fiorano) and the driver, who tests multiple cars every month, was focused on getting the best possible time. Given the fact that this Ferrari has the best specs among production non limited-series car in the world, I am not surprised at all by this result. If a significantly less powerful, RWD gt2rs with no electric torque did the 0-60 in 2.55s in the Quattroruote test, it seems OK to me that the Ferrari was 0.35s faster at launching. That being said, if you want to doubt Quattroruote or Ferrari and you prefer to trust dragtimes as if it were the Holy Bible and the only reliable source, go ahead.

Phew that was a marathon lol but all of the things you've mentioned are irrelevant to the topic of 0-60 mph or 0-100 km/h.. Ok let me explain it simply so that all can understand. There is nothing complicated about using launch control and keeping the foot to the floor for max acceleration. The most significant aspect is traction and the launch control electronics are the same in all SF90's. What magical surface do Quattoruote use that would enable it to accelerate from 0-100 km/h in 2.19 sec without roll-out or 2.01 sec with roll-out( 0-60mph in 2.10 sec or 1.93 sec roll-out)? That is faster than Musk's claim of 1.99 sec 0-60mph for the Plaid which has instant torque and equally impressive launch control. I'll believe it if Quat can provide video evidence with real time GPS that clearly reflects those claims or if someone else can do the same. Until then i'm not buying it based on yes DragTimes figures and Brooks has no reason the make shit up :)

The problem with your mention of Cup2R's is that while they have the best lateral grip of any semi-slick they do NOT have the best longitudinal grip so it does not support your claim i'm afraid...

Well I still trust Quattroruote because if the sf90 of Brooks in shitty conditions did 2.45s, I am not surprised that it did 2.1s in the 0-60 in optimal conditions. Besides the result is consistent with previous measurements from Quattroruote, which saw RWD ICE cars with 300 hp less than the sf90 like the 720s/gt2rs do the 0-100 in 2.5/2.6s (which means 0-60 in 2.38s). Usually Quattroruote also makes a video of its reviews (they did it for instance for the 720s) but they probably won't post the one of the sf90 just yet because otherwise people wouldn't bother buying he magazine. However the video should come up on Quattroruote.it eventually. For now there's already a 9 minute video but it's not complete from what I saw, it's more like a preview. I respect your point of view, but I happily trust Quattroruote, even without video proof.

BTW I am not mad at you Speedking even though my tone might seems a bit pointed. I am just very argumentative ahah

Hey we can have a spirited difference of opinion without resorting to childish abusive comments. I've been around far too long and seen so many claims which have been dubious and blatantly false so i'm cautious. Let's see if other testers can replicate those figures(presumably without roll-out). I gotta say the roll-out vs no roll-out differences causes lots of arguments...

We'll see what the other tests will say

"Dragy figures and dragstrip electronic timing could be falsified if desired"???Absolutely impossible.

People falsify money and identity cards, and some “craftsmen” build houses that don't really exist. And you say impossible…

“There is nothing complicated about using launch control and keeping the foot to the floor for max acceleration.”

In this case, the different testers wouldn't have any discrepancies at all, would they? How then is it that, for example, for 992 Turbo S, the results are scattered from 2.4 to 2.8?

As for the video, as Tommi said, perhaps it will appear later. You can believe or not believe QR numbers, it is your choice, but your statement that it’s impossible basing on few dragtimes attempts looks strange to me. Anyway thanks for your opinion, it’s always nice to have an argumented discussion without angry and fanboy hate.

I agree with you, the probability that the QR performed the measurements incorrectly is extremely small. The only reason why 2.19 might be wrong is if Ferrari sent a specially prepared car. But this will be clear from further tests.

"People falsify money and identity cards, and some “craftsmen” build houses that don't really exist. And you say impossible…"

The images i posted were both from the same pass and totally independent of each other ie. the dragstrip electronic timing cannot be manipulated to reflect the dragy figures in any way whatsoever. On that basis my comment of totally impossible is 100% correct. The primary reason there are discrepancies in the 0-100 km/h range as per your TurboS example is traction, pure and simple. DA will have miniscule effect up to 100 km/h so that's not really a factor.

Thank you 196ss! And thank you also to speedking for the passionate debate!

Magazine equipments are usually reliable
But what if they give another press car to them?
Don't get me wrong
Neither Pista nor F8 seemed to have a lot more power than their customer varients but 488 GTB's press car almost had as much power as an actual Pista or F8 or 812 got some sus numbers in some tests.

Dragstrip timing that you provided was made with rollout?

Dragstrips invented rollout
Ofc they have them

This explains how it works...
https://www.onallcylinders.com/2012/06/28/drag-school-how-stage-your-drag-car/

"The problem with your mention of Cup2R's is that while they have the best lateral grip of any semi-slick they do NOT have the best longitudinal grip"

Can I ask you to explain what this statement is based on?
Do you have tests of longitudinal grip of different rubber from different manufacturers?
As far as I have seen in the tests, swap to Cup 2R tires usually reduces the braking distance, respectively, increases the longitudinal grip.
It is also known that analogous tires Pirelli Trofeo R provided such a strong grip on the surface when starting that tire can turn over on the disc.

It's based on tyre tests findings and also comments by a number of peeps who drag race as well. An example is the ToyoR888R tyre which many street car drag racers use because they offer more longitudinal grip than their lateral grip. Cup2R's outer section is essentially a slick with grooves so they're a bi-compound tyre and hence why they offer superb lateral grip but not the best longitudinal grip.

In terms of braking, Trofeo R and Cup 2R's are great. But for hooking up at the dragstrip, it's more difficult. Motortrend did an interesting test comparing accelerations with P zero corsas and P zero trofeo Rs. 9 out of 10 times the Corsas would win because they were just so much more consistent hooking a very good launch. The trofeos had a higher performance ceiling, but would only get it 1 out of 10 times.

This made me reconsider all the acceleration times in general. The idea of "this car will do this time" vs reality of only in perfect conditions and being lucky will this car do this time. The most extreme example is a Dodge Demon losing to a M5 in a drag race on an air field, despite the Demon being a "9's" car. But that's more of an issue with AWD vs RWD

That's an interesting comparison between the 2 Pirelli tyres and you've made a good point in that a tyre which has excellent traction during hard braking does not always equate to traction when launching. There has to be a good reason why for example so many street racers use ToyoR888R tyres rather than any Pirelli or Michelin tyre when drag racing. Superior traction is the most likely answer.

So, did I get it right: Cup 2R or Trofeo R type of tire can potentially give a better result than a P Zero Corsa type in longitudinal acceleration, but it will be not as consistent?

“There has to be a good reason why for example so many street racers use ToyoR888R tyres rather than any Pirelli or Michelin tyre when drag racing”

Perhaps the price also is a factor?

Tell that to the guys who use ToyoR888R and they'll laugh at you. Many of them are loaded so money is not the limiting factor otherwise they would be using Cup2R's or TrofeoR's but they don't because it doesn't give them the consistent longitudinal grip that the Toyo's apparently do. If a tyre gives you consistent results 9 times out of 10 you'd have to be a fool not to use them so you weren't actually right after all :)...

Thanks for the information.
I'm not trying to argue now, I'm just curious...

1821KG? Uhm is that WITH the driver? I mean even if it's WITHOUT that's a fat little car?