Pininfarina Battista specs

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/fahrbericht/pininfarina-battista-mit-1900-ps-rimac-technik/

So today (in between "chores" and "bores") I did something I've never done before, and certainly not for a new production hypercar. I read, that is after Google had done the work and translated them, Auto Motor und Sport and Quattroroute's initial driving impressions. This is on top of the English press, just about ALL of them!

The over riding feeling is this is an incredibly impressively engineered car (ofcourse with Rimac, but a collaborative effort) the dynamic capabilities and qualities are first class including the steering and braking.

There isn't much else to say, universally she's been recognised as being stunningly very beautiful but atleast, and at last almost in 2022 we've confirmation with general acceptance it's much more than purely skin deep.

She'll definitely perform, that's a given, but I've a feeling she'll hit much higher targets than people expect.

I was always excited by the project (and there are many) and her unveiling in 2019 where her entrance upstaged just about everything!

Forza Pininfarina! Bellissima!

It took GOD SIX days to create the planet, on the SEVENTH came the Pininfarina Battista>

Power to weight ratio= 884hp/tonne rounded up, that's around TEN% higher than the Bugatti Chiron Supersport, MINIMUM it's actually likely higher.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/first-ride-2021-pininfarina-battista-review

Quote>"car weighs under 2200kg."

In line with the Rimac Nevera @ 2150KG.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/pininfarina/battista?_gl=1*150rvoa*_ga*OVBmdWpycXVXc1JjZmJCRTJYVGJMZDM2bjFVc0dtRmNUUWtmZFpUQ3V4YVV1dDlWVnpMMnNuTmdwMkF1YW04RQ..

Quote>"That rear wing, which acts as an airbrake and deploys automatically at high speed can generate up to 500kg of downforce, “more than the weight of a fully grown polar bear” according to Pininfarina’s PRESS RELEASE."

LOL!, anyway 500KG of downforce is VERY respectable! ;)

Thank You! Those times will tumble!

@Hoppelmoppel123 could we please add these manufacturer claims for the Pininfarina Battista please? They have to 250km/h already been verified by the Rimac Nevera!

https://www.automobili-pininfarina.com/battista

0-100= <2 seconds
0-200= <6 seconds
0-300= <12 seconds
Top speed= 350km/h *electronically limited

Estimated Acceleration Stats For Pininfarina Battista:
0-30 MPH: 0.9 sec
0-40 MPH: 1.3 sec
0-50 MPH: 1.6 sec
0-60 MPH: 1.9 sec (100 km/h: 2,0)
0-70 MPH: 2.3 sec
0-80 MPH: 2.7 sec
0-90 MPH: 3.2 sec
0-100 MPH: 3.6 sec
0-120 MPH: 4.5 sec (200 km/h: 4,7)
0-150 MPH: 6.2 sec (250 km/h: 6,6)
0-180 MPH: 8.4 sec (300 km/h: 9,0)
0-200 MPH: 10.5 sec (400 km/h: 23,9)
Top Speed: 256.6422 mph (413.0256 km/h)

Pininfarina claims a top speed of 217mph, but the Rimac sibling with almost the same power and the exact same torque is claimed to reach 258mph. Maybe the Pininfarina is either electronically limited or tire-limited to 217mph.

1.9+3.6/(1.9+3.6)x11 = 9.1sec standing quartermile time; normally I'd multiply by 12, but using that factor would show up as 9.75sec, which is far from accurate.

10.86121 m/s2, new world record for MY simulations for acceleration off the line!!! It's the equivalent to a 0.2sec 1-foot rollout. So, 9.1-0.2=8.9.

https://x-engineer.org/projects/vehicle-acceleration-performance-online-calculator/

Engine speed @ maximum torque [rpm]
0
Engine speed @ maximum power [rpm]
17000
Gear ratios [-] Gearbox
1
Differential
5.625 (= 5.50 front, 5.75 rear)
Wheel static radius [m]
0.370
Driveline efficiency [-]
1
Wheel (tire) friction coefficient [-]
2
Rear axle load coefficient [-]
2
Vehicle mass (curb) [kg]
2440
Driver mass [kg]
75
Aerodynamic drag coefficient [-]
0.25
Ambient air density [kg/m3]
1.202
Vehicle frontal area [m2]
1.93
Road slope [%]
0.00
Road load coefficient [-]
0.011 (pre-100km/h); 0.339 (post-100km/h)
Engine speed points (full load) [rpm]
0,5800,17000
Engine static torque points (full load) [Nm]
2300,2300,785
Simulation time [s]
60

This is the first time that I set the wheel friction coefficient and the rear axle coefficient both to 2 in a car simulation test; in previous cars I've mostly used the number 1.

Note: Tires used in this simulation were 295-35-21 made by Pirelli P-Zero
for sale on the America's Tire website https://www.americastire.com/buy-tires/pirelli-p-zero/p/41164?forceSetStore=true&storeName=1047&gclid=CjwKCAiA1aiMBhAUEiwACw25MYDIHy-oJqeTYu9cYBvmmy6CG-jdEbUHkw3Glrka3d0BisBvzVocDhoCB8wQAvD_BwE

Drag coefficient rating should fall between 0.23 Cd (highest typical scale of "experimental") and 0.27 Cd (lowest typical scale of "sports"), so 0.25 Cd it is.
http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculate%20HP%20For%20Speed.php

For this testing, I benchmarked the Maserati MC20 (1965mm wide + 1224mm high) and McLaren 720S (1930mm wide + 1194mm high) in terms of frontal area since both of them are physically and stylistically (in terms of size and shape) similar to the Pininfarina Battista. Averaging all of these numbers gives me a frontal area rating of 1.93 square meters. http://hpwizard.com/aerodynamics.html

Also, the vehicle's curb weight is 4400 lb. (1) https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37419682/2022-pininfarina-battista-drive (2) https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a37443982/the-pininfarina-battista-is-a-blast-from-the-future/

https://racingcalcs.com/psi-boost-for-horsepower-target-calculator/
Using 110% VE boost rating, 17000 max rpm, and a target bhp rating of 1874.008, its electric powertrain is the equivalent to 469.75 cubic inches. That's 7.7 liters in the postmodern world.

Unlike with the (mostly turbocharged) gas cars I've used, I didn't use peak power in the rpm section; instead I used the redline rpm for the electric hypercar/megacar. It is a huge torque monster as well! You may as well call it a spiritual successor to the Dodge Viper.

Change rpm setting from 17000 to 5800, and this is the horsepower rating the Pf.-B would make as a gas car: 640 horsepower. Adding 1,234 horsepower to it requires 28.4 psi (1.96 bar) of boost.

Tested "curb weight" includes downforce (2440kg). Pininfarina targets a "sub-2000kg" curb weight, but we don't know exact curb weight, but HPWizard estimates 1885kg. Unlike the Rimac Nevera, the Pininfarina Battista will be a downright track car; it will likely generate 555 kg of overall downforce.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/pininfarina-battista-wins-design-award-at-villa-deste/

Quote>"The production-ready 2022 Pininfarina Battista pure-electric hypercar has won a coveted Design Award at the Concorso D’Eleganza Villa D’Este."

This is a very prestigious event. An impressive accolade.

Quote>"Pininfarina says the Battista produces 1417kW and 2300Nm, good for a 1.85-second 0-100km/h sprint and a 415km/h top speed."

Well the top speed might have changed? I'll DEFINITELY take that! LOL!

Quote>"A 1994 McLaren F1 won the event overall."

Something's never change! ;)

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/pininfarina-battista-first-look-fully-electric-1900-hp-hypercar/

Quote>"Mar 4, 2019
It has 1,874 horsepower and 1,696 lb-ft of torque. It'll hit 60 mph in 1.9 seconds, 100 mph in 4.3 seconds, and 186 mph in 11.8 seconds. Quarter mile? Gone in 9.1 seconds. Top speed? An autobahn-busting 218 mph"

Sick of km/h metrics I actually found some MPH ones. Much better.

So the Rimac Nevera on prepared VHT glued ground got a 3.61 seconds. For the purposes of rollout they are factored in by Motortrend anyway.

So that's a 0.49 seconds saving at 100MPH or 4.3-0.49= 3.81 seconds.

Pininfarina claim 9.1 seconds for the 1/4 mile so 9.1-8.58 seconds minused for the Rimac Nevera. Or 0.52 seconds quicker.

This issue is what occurs next>

Rimac 0-186MPH= 9.3 seconds
Pininfarina 0-186= 11.8 seconds

If you factor in the quickest times and minus 0.52- 11.8 equating a similar acceleration rate you get 11.28 seconds.

Now, other's have telling me but I just put it aside, or did for the moment.

9.3 seconds I (and others below, please check) is nearly two seconds off Rimacs claim.

Pininfarina's figures however so calculated look more realistic and more achievable.

Originally Rimac had mostly EXACTLY the same acceleration figures as the Pininfarina Batista did. Even the 1/4 mile when it was known as the C2.

https://insideevs.com/news/338142/fully-charged-checks-out-stunning-rimac-c-two/

Source and figures above.

So what changed? Well my primary Source of metrics for the Rimac was the Carwow video and result. When Matt set a World Record, which still stands for non VHT surfaces. Anyway I've recently looked at depth at Brookes results and more importantly the video.

As it stands 0-300km/h isn't looking likely at all at 9.3 seconds as the specifications didn't change whatsoever? No extra power or lower weight.

So my revised figure based on CURRENT evidence is 11.28 seconds. This IS higher than previously stated but I've explained why.

It's still World Record smashing pace.

And for their figures Pininfarina should be applauded. Some other "manufacturers", well not.

;)

Now THIS^^ is a video. Not that other nonsense I witnessed. You know, DYNAMIC action!

That's right, she's a PHOENIX alright!

https://www.motor1.com/news/500799/elektron-quasar-electric-hypercar/

Quote>"According to the Elektron, the Quasar hypercar is bound to produce a total system output of over 2,300 hp (1,715 kW), motivated by four electric motors, presumably one on each wheel. This will allow what the company calls Elektron Smart Torque Vectoring System (ESTV), which will probably come in handy at the track given the incredulous power produced. The whole electric powertrain will be pulling a projected total weight of 3,307 pounds (1,500 kilograms)."

So Germany now too (allegedly)? The Worlds gone nuts!

But LISTEN. Production plus delivery after extended testing. Then validation of these wild claims!

So, I had a slight "allergic" reaction to the car. There were a few things that caught me off gaurd and I completely lost interest. Let's see if I can work around it!

OK SLIGHT update. Based on differential benchmarking using percentages between metrics.

0-200MPH in 11.4 seconds.
0-250MPH in 19.99 seconds.

Still under 20 seconds. But that's HIGHLY theoretical. I think I'm good to 200MPH. Only testing will tell and wasn't too bad with the Bugatti Chiron Supersport 300+ way back when.

The Rimac Nevera (albiet on a prepared high friction surface) actually BEAT out the calculations below. ROFL!

0-200MPH 10.66 seconds next. Come on Rimac!

So the production Pininfarina Batista has made it's debut in the United States of America! All dressed up in BLACK! She looks absolutely stunningly beautiful! No words at the minute no words, still shell shocked!

So based on FOUR seperate Dragy and Performance "box" 1/4 mile runs for the Rimac Nevera upto 172MPH then using calculations for 200MPH and then using percentage difference's between two key competitors 0-400-0km/h runs these are my FINAL calculations for the performance of the stunningly beautiful Pininfarina Batista>

MPH
0-60= 2.1
0-100= 3.86
0-130= 5.54
0-150= 7.40
0-172= 8.62
0-200= 10.48
0-250= 19 (although it actually came in at 17 I uprated this)

There's really NOTHING to say except COME ON RIMAC get one of those pre series bad boys down the road!

0-400-0km/h averaged= TWENTY SEVEN SECONDS.

Using different methods of analysis i.e. my own calculations and benchmarking and computer modelling I'm BASED on CALCULATIONS not necessarily production electric hypercar hardware/software, I'm estimating these beasts are capable of 0-400km/h in NINETEEN seconds and UNDER. So come on Rimac DO THE TEST!Oo

Moving back to Pininfarina. It is 1.7 seconds QUICKER to 200MPH than the Koenigsegg Regera (2 data sets that independently corroborate each other) so if it can hold this until 250MPH it's 0-400km/h time is 21.17 seconds.

Will we find out? Well I'm guessing Rimac will do it first. Attempt it that is.

The Americans are also offering a 5.2 V10 with DCT and 750hp . The origins are Audi. LIMITED to 240MPH. Dammit uncork and put it past 250MPH!

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/elation-freedom-1903bhp-electric-hypercar

Quote>"American start-up Elation is developing an electric hypercar with up to 1903bhp in partnership with motor manufacturer Cascadia Motion."

LOL! Missed TWO hypercars and I bet there's more!

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/estrema-fulminea-2040bhp-hyper-ev-solid-state-battery

Quote>"The brand says it will be the first car in the world to have a hybrid battery pack using both solid-state cells and ultra-capacitors, which will power four electric motors. A 0-62mph time of around 2.0sec is claimed and Estrema expects the hypercar to dispatch 0-200mph in less than 10.0sec."

It uses HYBRID Ultracapacitors PLUS Solid State Lithium Ion batteries?

1500KG.
0-200MPH in UNDER 10 seconds?
Oo

How are the Americans going to beat this?

Think about it (contemplation is GOOD) the Bugatti Chiron Supersport has a power to weigh ratio of> 802hp/tonne. That's bloody good!

The Pininfarina Batista has> 884hp/tonne.

We've already seen to a point that the Batista is 2.7 seconds minimum (calculated) quicker to 200MPH. It has ABSOLUTE superiority in torque 2300NM vs 1600NM and this will come into play in acceleration above 250MPH.

The Bugatti does 0-249MPH in 28.6 seconds claimed. Where does that leave the more stunningly beautiful Pininfarina?

Well this IS an estimate but I'm thinking 24 seconds circa to 250MPH. It COULD go quicker but nobody has any experience with WOT on these cars- yet.

Now I KNOW it's electronically limited to around 219MPH so my calculations will work for the Rimac Nevera anyway which peaks at 258MPH.

With the future rumours of a 2000hp software upgrade it could push it to beyond 270MPH!

So to put into simple English the Pininfarina Batista has the potential and capabilities to be within ONE second of the Koenigsegg Regera from 0-400km/h (and the Nevera) which is SO ****ing cool!

And there's electric production hypercars from the two great Nations of Italy and the United States of America to investigate. LOL!

It's getting crowded in electric Hypercar heaven.

Quad turbocharges or
Quad electric torque vectored driven motors?

Well I've always LOVED high technology. We are at 500hp/corner now!

Oo

Based on manufacturer claimed acceleration and benchmarking it against the Rimac Nevera which has posted verified Dragy times to 172MPH and based on their manufacturer claims for acceleration ABOVE that and cross referencing this with specifications for acceleration claims in MPH for both I predict the Pininfarina Batista will accelerate from>

0-200MPH in UNDER 12 seconds. That's 3.7 seconds quicker than the Bugatti Chiron and 2.7 seconds quicker than the Bugatti Chiron Supersport.

The Bugatti's get (potentially) TRASHED! Hahahahahahaha!

0-250MPH is proving a little more difficult to track. Oo

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/first-ride-2021-pininfarina-battista-review

Quote>"Automobili Pininfarina has forgone a two-speed gearbox for a single-speed unit in the interests of smoothness. “We’re able to do this because the electric motors rev to around 17,000rpm,” said Heidfeld."

SEVENTEEN THOUSAND RPM?Oo

https://www.automobili-pininfarina.com/battista

0-100= <2 seconds
0-200= <6 seconds
0-300= <12 seconds
Top speed= 350km/h *electronically limited
1900ps power
2300NM torque

Mr FASTESTLAPS could you please add these to above. They are confirmed direct from Pininfarina's website.

Thank You.