Porsche 911 Turbo S (992) specs

Kinda expected

Many manufacturers also lie about their weight, or at least mislead about it. Quoting in dry weight numbers, no fuel, no brake fluid, no coolant, no batteries even, being 100+kg less than the actual curb weight, even up to 150+kg. And they always like to say that the new car is lighter than the previous model by rearranging the compared car options, dry and wet weights etc.

couple that with under-rated power figures, people will think the new car is really that much lighter and faster.

You are just so obsessed with Porsche. And why are you singling out “German bs power” when practically every European manufacturer does this?

2ndly, It was said that a 2.4ton sedan couldn’t possibly beat a 660hp Ferrari 488, AND a 991.2 turbo s at the 1/4 mile, yet it did. 10.5s, not even on a drag strip.

In terms of power to weight, the 992 Porsche turbo s would have a 30+% advantage over the Model S.

A 3600lb car (assume the car has ceramic brakes and less than half a tank of fuel to offset the weight of the driver). At 140mph, 225kph has a total of 3.2million joules of kinetic energy. In theory over 10s, that’s just an average of 320kw, or just 430hp to do a 140mph 10s pass. Add drag and power train losses, 500-550hp.

Of course that is an minimum average power. Some turbo engines have very flat power curves, some have very peaky. And of course you need to account for putting the power down.

Mathematically it’s very doable to get a 1600kg car to do a 10.1 pass if you have good awd traction, tight fast shifting gears. Then you factor the .2-.3s difference fore "roll out" and suddenly it's really not that impressive or impossible.

When carwow posted the 1/4 mile race between TurboS vs Taycan Turbo S it got 10.2 vs 10.3 sec. Both these cars don't need VHT to go quick to 100 km/h simply because they've both got one of the best launch controls that exists. We know that the TurboS is able to do 0-100 km/h in 2.5 sec which is what enables it to run at least 10.2 sec 1/4 mile time. The simple fact is that if you bugger up the launch then you won't get 10.2 sec. In addition to that the TurboS has at least 680 peak hp which is why it can beat the Taycan by approx 13 metres over the 1/4 mile.

not really, i'm just wondering why do they pretend their cars with less hp and extra mass is the faster car out there ?

et and trap speeds don't lie and awd doesn't do the trick for the pig.

all trap speeds from other german tests indicate power output is over 650 hp including autobild that dynoed it and was showing well over 670 hp.

if they wanted to prove how fast it is, they should've tested it against the previous generation vw-911 and not a 720s.

in order for the turbo s to get higher trap speeds, it will need upgraded turbos, the stock ones with a tune might not do it or give up after couple of runs. they are known to slap turbos that are at its limits and don't have enough room for extra boost.

if you still want to argue about the secret is in awd system, then just wait for the tests in murica and be prepared to hold your tongue.

Even the spider is faster

But in ¼ it has no chance ( the spider)

are you trying to hide the truth ? or is it because your beloved vw-911-audi isn't as fast as you thought it would be ? lol

go back to your video gaming world and let mommy warm up that soya milk for ya zoomer :)

I wonder how Gebhardt managed a 1:47.8 lap at Hockenheim as opposed to 1:50? Special conditions? lol

Probably he had special gloves for special moments, so nothing was holding him back :)

Still looks better than a brand new f40 lmao

Pretty decent time for the 911 but the mclaren can be way faster

maybe even he went on a special diet 2 months prior to testing ? lol

i think i will be ordering a set whenever i reply to any of the hot vw-911 topics lol

'Still looks better than a brand new f40 lmao'

it's nice of you to compare a 2021 911-beetle to an old school analog ferrari from 1987, it just shows how long it took them to be compared to each other lol

To be fair both times seem a bit slow. The Mclaren GT running in 1.55s. is worse than a Carrera S with a lot lesspower, worse than a M5 Competition with the same power (and much more weight, a front-engine, 4 doors and 4 seats). It's likely that it was either very hot or that the driver didn't exploit the full potential of the cars. I am not surprised that CG did better, especially knowing how much experience he has on this track

Yep

Also, the bmw m5 competition was faster not only when driven by CG, but also when driven by Uwe Sener, who is usually 1.5s slower. The fact that the Mclaren was slower than the m5 competition driven by 2 different drivers, and barely faster than a Porsche Taycan, proves that these are not the best laptimes that the Porsche and the Mclaren can achieve.
PS: Before they start with the whole conspiracy theory, I don't think the laptime of the Mclaren was underwhelming because Sport Auto hates English cars: Mclaren Senna and 720s are the fastest cars at Hockeneim GP. It simply was a sub-optimal lap.

My bad, the 1.55s laptime wasn't tested by Sport Auto. Whatever... The point is: the 2 laptimes are sub-optimal, either because of the weather, or because of the driver (or both)

Yeah Gebhardt is fast at Hockenheim until you put him in a Lambo coz he then becomes Uwe Sener lol

'I wonder how Gebhardt managed a 1:47.8 lap at Hockenheim as opposed to 1:50? Special conditions? lol'

from what i could gather, the test was conducted in the middle of the night which is very odd, or they were given special instructions.

what i also find fascinating is nobody brings up the tire issue and how quickly it will suffer within few laps, if this was some other brand other than vw-911, you'd hear them talk shit all day.

they need to release acceleration times for both cars, this is the same car that did 0 - 200 in 8.56 and 1/4 mile 10.2

I think that the Turbo S with cup2R tyres would give the GT2RS a run for its money on a track, maybe it would even beat it. On a straigh line Turbo S for the win at low speed, then at high speeds the GT2RS takes over, but only by a small margine. Overall, I'd take the Turbo S over the gt2rs any day. Nearly as fast and much more versatile.

I just realised that the GT2RS had a passenger whereas the TurboS didn't so that comparison is somewhat pointless. What's more they didn't use a Dragy for the GT2RS speed tests coz they didn't have one back in Jan 2018 so it's even more useless urgh

On the track no the **** it woulnt

Here's another comparison
Still with the same Turbo S but a different GT2 RS video

The gt2rs performs so well on the track partially because of cup2R tyres. On regular cup2 tyres it's usually slower than a 720s, basically at the level of a Mclaren 675lt, (which is no slouch btw). The Turbo S is nearly as fast as the 720s on Sachsenring and on Hockeneim GP it was only 2 seconds away from the Pista with cup2R. The Turbo S did all of this on normal Pzero tyres, which are less sticky than Pzero Corsa and cup2, let alone cup2R. With cup2R tyres it would be 2/3 seconds faster per track and it would definitely be a threat for the GT2RS. It makes sense: the 2 cars are nearly as fast on a straight line, the gt2rs has more downforce, but the Turbo S is easier to drive and it has more traction thanks to AWD. The only reasons why Porsche doesn't put the Turbo S on cup2R are these:
-if they did, the GT2RS would feel less special and its value might drop
-they need to make sure the future gt2rs is gonna be the top dog, so they can't make the Turbo S too fast

Good point the new gt3/2rs will easily beat the old 991

The new Pirelli P Zero tyres have only slightly less grip than the Corsa's. Yes if we put all supercars on Cup2R's with equally fast drivers then lap times would be much closer between them however the "new fastest car in the world" would not beat the GT2RS on track.

Absolutely :)

I am not so sure about it... I think it would be a close match

Damn porsche do a BIG evolution from generation to gen

It sure does! Stylistically Porsches don't change much, but dynamically they evolve

keep on dreaming ricer vw fanboy :)

笑閉嘴, 請。

He didnt say anything you ****ing fiat fanboy

look at what daddy got you this week

Honestly your very predictable

i'm glad you're being a good boy, now go head to your room and let your mommy fastestlaps tuck you in bed with a vw teddy bear.

I dont give a **** you italian ****

poor you waiting to get a hug from one of the vw fanboys lol

dante can´t handle facts.

Im not even a vw fanboy singe i prefer American cars

you're a young hypocrite with zero experience :)

i'll show you a fact about the red press uk car :)

1597kg with full tank?

It was with a half tank of fuel.
The weisach pack lowers the weight by 20kg.
Claimed weight is 1640kg. Works out to be exactly right.

Unlike the Ferrari who claim their car is MUCH lighter than it is as standard. The Pista claims 1280dry weight, 1395 wet weight, yet was measured to be over 1500kg.

'The weisach pack lowers the weight by 20kg.'

this package isn't even out yet, where did you come up with that weight ? forza or gran turismo ? lol

have you seen the interior of the car to bring up that package ? probably not, so what you're trying to do is, retaliate because you're butthurt as always lol

it turns out you haven't done your homework properly and decided to backfire at the wrong time, i suggest you close your eyes and go dream of purchasing that ferrari you've been telling us about it for a while and i'll send the factory an urgent email to have yours built with lightweight package without cheese and mayonnaise :)

60%

Ah sorry, it's not the weisach pack. It's the "light weight package"
and it lowers by 30kg, not 20kg. I am SO sorry. please forgive me.

So the press car is very much in line with the claimed weight figures. Wow, how terrible is that? you haven't replied about the fact how the Ferrari weight figures were off by over 100kg from the claimed figures.

Yeah it seems you're the person who keeps bringing about whether I can purchase a Ferrari or not. Such a child. Just because I can, doesn't mean I want to, at this time. Like that is some kind of insult or a bad thing it seems to you. At least it's not something you could say, I'm sure. I prefer to put my money in smart investments, as well as I want to wait till I move back to North America before buying a Ferrari because I'd want to own it for a long time, preferably one that has bottomed out its value in the 2nd hand market. If I want to drive a supercar I have enough friends to ask from. It's really not my priority. And it really isn't your business. Grow up.

'Ah sorry, it's not the weisach pack. It's the "light weight package"
and it lowers by 30kg, not 20kg. I am SO sorry. please forgive me.'

let's try this one more time

there is no such thing as weissach package or the freshly made up by you a light weight package lololololol

the ferrari weight comes down to several things, especially if you tick most of the options along with the lifter, adas etc..... the majority order with all kinds of options and expect their cars to be close to official weight :)

any other new packages you plan to add to the vw-911 list to confuse us ? :)

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/porsche/911-turbo-s/driving

"That’s why it’s just announced there is a Lightweight Package joining the options list later this year. This adds noise and cuts weight by 30kg"

Um... here you go, loser.

but your excuse here is the above car comes with lightweight package and now your twisting words and trying to cover up on your failed excuse that there will be laaaater this year lolololololol

sorry to break it to you chump, but the car tested here has no lightweight package, as you've been trying to prove the whole week and we're still in august and not later this year lol

Ok fine. The car has a half tank of fuel, so that already brings the weight of the car down 25kg? lighter wheels and carbon disc brakes bring down the weight, regardless of the "package" And it proves I didn't "make it up" you idiot. I just assumed it was on the car.
WTF is an "excuse"? check your english. I'm stating for a fact, the car has lightened options and isn't at full tank fuel, so it's going to be lighter than claimed.

the car matches up with the weight, if at all it's LIGHTER than the claim weight, and that's a bad thing compared to Ferrari cars being 100kg fatter than claimed? LMAO. Ferrari even claim battery weight as wet weight. It's the most attrocious lie ever. They first put out that the Laferrari was 1285kg. biggest BS ever.

the tested vw-911 are all press cars, get that through your thick head :)

the problem with ferrari is not the weight, but the car that turns up is heavier and comes on top when going head 2 head with gt2 rs and the rest and that should tell you what its capable of it were lighter :)

hahaha. now you're going off topic...

Goes on about how Porsche possibly could have cheated by providing a lighter car. Then I break it down. carbon ceramics, half a tank of fuel (as shown when he shows the dashboard closeup). and that the numbers add up exactly right.

Then your defence for Ferrari plainly lying about their claimed weight and obviously trying to fool their customers by giving dry weight in its most impossible form is that "should tell you what its capable of it were lighter". lmao, this is priceless. And you try to go on and on about how MAYBE did Porsche give a car too light... when in fact it couldn't be more honest.

your whining about why ferrari cars are heavier when delivered to customers, i told you why the weight can go up easily when customers want to feel comfortable with all the unecessary options they keep on adding. whether ferrari lies about being lightweight or not is not the problem, but how in the world are they capable of delivering such staggering results while carrying more weight than its rivals, unlike the lfailed that uses carbon tub and had a hard time playing with a 480hp gtr :)

the vw-911 tested by 3 german magazines are lighter than the official weight given by the factory which is 1,640 kg. what's even funnier is that spoof auto with a passenger onboard tipped the scales at around 1654 kg.

the above test is the first test that shows the cars real weight 1,660 kg without a driver, which is closer to the official weight 1,640 probably with some options vs the rest german cars that were all under 1,640 kg and more power / torque output than the claimed factory one.

0-200 in 9,2 vs 8,5 in german tests makes you wonder what kind of bs flag color would be appropriate to raise ?

is it really that difficult for you to understand that 1 + 1 = 2 ? unless you see it as 11 ? or perhaps a wowjackshit package is the only solution with you ? lolololol

I tought weissach package was for gt3'rs 991.2, gt2 rs and 918 only

Dont mind im here to prove you Wrong
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/fr18ksgfldll

Holy shit it is fast as **** boii

The turbo s has done 9.9 elsewhere
The 720s has done 9.7 elsewhere
Both can go faster than they did in this video

"Elsewhere" is the best, most reputable source in the world. It's far better than MotorTrend, Auto Bild, etc. :D

What's even funnier is that he has the audacity to call himself realstats?? lol

ok, the 720s has done 9.8 according to dragtimes which is a reputable youtube channel and website that records drag timeslips.

Motortrend said the turbo s did 9.9 but it was not clear whether or not it was on a pre-prepped surface

just because I didnt specify the origins of my data, doesnt mean you completely devalidate all I say

well, I have specified the origins of my data. The 720s timeslip is completely legitimate and can be found on the dragtimes website or on dragtimes yt. The 911 turbo s time was reported from motortrend but it could be a false rumor. All I will say, is that on a bad surface in a carwow video with only one attempt, it did 10.1 so there is definitely room for improvement.

"he has the audacity to call himself realstats" I get that some wont believe my claims but what I say comes from true sources and I take into account many factors when analysing the legitimacy of a claim.

Yes i'm well aware of what the 720S can do on a dragstrip but it cannot replicate that on a racetrack or regular road surface which is where car mags test new cars, get it?

wrong

what you need to understand is this:

all the cars that were tested were pumping out over 650hp and 800 nm, carwow has a shit history in running anywhere close to factory times or even beating german magazines, well guess what ? a miracle just happened and they beat every german magazine out there. holy effin shit, but that’s unpossible as ralph wiggum would say.

if you look closely at the 720s wheels and tires, you will notice it’s been swapped out with aftermarket wheels and michelin pilot sport 4s tires, which isn’t approved by mclaren, if it was the optional corsas it would have ended with a different outcome. an outcome they didn’t want you to witness which is also bad for sales at 250k euros.

i even have doubt that it was staged carefully by porsche uk, to make their over exaggerated vw-911 look fast and an everday gt car with super car capability.

Yep good point, what cheapskate would put Michelin PS 4S tyres on a 720S?? Yes they are a good tyre but they don't have the same grip levels as Corsa's which is the OEM factory tyre.

great point. good observation. I,m not suprised if porsche tune press cars, ferrari have been known to....

Really? Give us an example of Ferrari tuning press cars...

I really doubt that 911's time. Carwow isn't really very reliable at drag race times. In the real world, the McLaren is much faster, as ratified by many other sources.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/tester’s-notes/not-so-curious-case-ferrari-488-autocar-road-test-and-cup-tyres

this link is just one example in which ferrari lended autocar the 488gtb and it had cup2rs on which are not available on the car. this gives it a massive advantage

https://jalopnik.com/how-ferrari-spins-5760248

in this example, chris harris write about various experiences with tuned press cars.

when top gear originally wanted to do 918 vs laf vs p1 ferrari said it had to be done by a press car . because this test was never carried out , it is not confirmed if the press car was tuned. However, why are customer cars not suitable for the test? suspected cheating.

Even recently, when the 488 pista did a lap of the TG track, harris implied afterwards that ferrari cheated. He did not say it directly as he had previously been banned from driving ferraris because of his accusations. I suspect ferrari cheated on this instance. Note, this example has no direct evidence

They are just a few examples. I suspect not only ferrari tunes press cars though.

I have little doubt that all of them, whether it be Porsche, Lamborghini, McLaren or Ferrari, have tweaked their cars when record lap times are attempted. The only way to avoid that is to dyno the cars beforehand or perform acceleration tests to make sure they haven't been tuned and put them on the same tyres with factory drivers. Problem solved...

Tell me one manufacturer that doesnt cheats
I agree with you btw

well, that same 720s did beat a 488 Pista, and Lambo SV. Still no slouch. Just means that the Pista and Lambo SV would have lost even more against that Porsche.

When Ferrari shows up for 2 days at the track with a team of engineers and several sets of tires for you to set a new lap record, Porsche gives you the key and tells you to just bring it back in one piece without any extra spare tires for you to work with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv8z7inZKpU

Which is something I really don't get. Ferrari owners are not going to care if their car sets the fastest lap around a certain track. Ferrari haven't won a Formula 1 title in well over a decade. It really doesn't matter. If they really wanted to go for lap times on their road cars, they would have put gigantic wings and splitters for downforce, as well as super wide tires. Just because it sets a faster lap time, doesn't mean it's better. Ferrari know that, but on the other hand they would think lap times mean so much to people, so they tell people that the Ferrari 812 is as fast as a 488 Pista around the track when it purely isn't even close. Not even a Laferrari can beat a 488 Pista, but they wouldn't want to tell their highest paying customers that.

It's like the company's values are contradicting, lap times matter very much so we need to prepare the car, oh lap times don't matter and that's why we don't put wings on the cars so that they look pretty. And maybe that's why they've struggled so much in F1 over the past 10 years

Re Porsche that wasn't the case when they took the GT2RS to the Nurb because they had Nick Tandy and Lars Kern(Nurb specialist) and lots of tyres to see who could get the fastest time there which just happened to be Kern. It was an impressive lap esp given that they were using Cup2's not Cup2R's like the Manthey-Racing Porsche GT2RS.

Of course it's become obvious that the Nurb record is the most prestigious lap record to attain so you get the fastest drivers and loads of engineers to get the best possible result. Lamborghini did that with the Performante and SVJ and you know the kerfuffle that caused with allegations of cheating and disbelief that the Lambo's could go that fast(mostly from Porsche fanboys lol). Ferrari don't bother and McLaren have tested their cars there but not a squeak as to how fast they were there. The only exception was when Kenny Brack drove the P1 LM to the Nurb without a number plate so the time of 6:43 on TrofeoR's didn't count. So the bottom line is that yes for tracks like Hockenheim or Sachsenring most manufacturers don't really care what test drivers run there because it doesn't have anywhere near the recognition of the title 'King of the Ring' which is the pinnacle of performance.

so carwow is now your new reliable source ? mmkay

Porsche is cheating that much apart from dieselgate

Don't get sucked into believing hp figures from Porsche, Mercedes,McLaren and BMW because they do not provide peak hp figures ie. you can add anywhere between 50-70 hp to manufacturers advertised figures.

Yess, I heard they're not very reliable! Mclaren really sandbags them: on a video the 720s turned out to have 786 cv instead of 720, and a Mclaren 600LT turned out to have 640 HP instead of 600!
Porsche is a little bit more honest: in 2 dynamo tests I saw a 992 Carrera S making 477 hp instead of 450 hp and a gt3Rs making 540 hp instead of 520 hp. Still sandbagging, but not as hardcore as the Mclaren! My guess for the Turbo S real power is around 680 hp

Actually many of the 720 S lap times are done without semi-slick tires as well. Whenever it was on Trofeo R, the 720 S is usually on or above the level of the 991 GT2 RS and that is definitely faster than the 992 Turbo S.
Nonetheless the 992 Turbo S is very good in many different things.