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Bro is lost.

Lmao

Quite funny that I got disliked for saying I’d have an E46 CSL over an 8C due to just personal preference. If anything that’s ’disrespectful people’

I can't find your post. I would add another dislike 💀

I’ll pay the favour by adding one to yours

True, no one is gonna compare a F80 M3 to a 33 Stradale (Mk II) but here we are with the last decade version.

Makes sense to me. I'm more of a Ferrari guy but honestly, any Alfa V8 seals the deal.

Reddit turned into Fastestlaps

r/fastestlaps when

Ever since someone came.

Internet forums and reddit are a very similar thing.

For free, get the 8C. Then sell it buy the E46M3.

You can buy a whole list of cars for the amount of mone you make from selling an 8C. A family car, a weekend car and an E46, wow

The 8C has the 4.7l V8, not the 4.2 thats very reliable.

……it’s still an alfa

You could buy 10 M3's for the Alfa, which is just absurd. Or an M3 and a small house

If it was in Lancashire, probably a mansion

After we fixed car prices, we need to get back on houses. You can live in a car, but not race a house :D

An M3 E46 is 30K?

and the other is still a BMW.

Which is still likely to be more reliable then an Alfa from the 2000s lol

If you're lucky you can find a decent model for 35k

With MT

It’s not available with one from factory though

Why did I get disliked lol, an E46 CSL is legendary

I disagree, I think the BMW IX looks better then the 8C BY FAR!

honestly there's something about the proportions of the 8C's front that feels off, but I still think it's gorgeous and looks better than the E46. Although I have to disagree about it being better than every BMW, I think the 850CSI is prettier.

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Especially the rear

The 8C is very ugly🤮

honorable mention

The 8C is unanimously beautiful. And that's the concept. I dare you to find a bad comment under a 8C post on social media.
Stop being a hater, you know this car looks good. Go back to the 90s crap hatchbacks and BMWs you have in Uganda.

Nowere near the 8C.

I would say definitely in the same league and you can argue that either one looks better. You have to appreciate the Z8. It is automotive sculpture.

Here you go, a bad comment under an 8C post on social media:

And I don't like the way you talk about Uganda. Especially amazingly reliable cars are common there like the Land Cruiser for example.

Uganda isn't even that bad.

Fun fact. 35% of the adult population in Italy is not functionally literate.

I can’t tell who’s the bigger CIA agent/troll, JohnGlenn or this Lello guy

It's Cosimo and it's not even close.

Unproportioned.

Typical non-sense comment.

Having only especially reliable cars isn't a good thing, means population is too poor to buy something fast or new.

Then Uganda is at 70%.

Are we being serious?? How stupid are you??

Having only especially reliable cars isn't a good thing, means population is too poor to buy something fast or new.

Bruh your head is empty fr, do you think Land Cruisers are cheap?

especially funny since the Land Cruiser and the Nissan Patrol are the 2 favourite cars of Arab oil barons

I'm not even going to be indirect about this now like I was before lol.

You know you wonder why people downvote your comments, so here is a play-by-play to make it expressly clear.

You say "better than anything BMW ever made" thereby charging any BMW fans and anyone on an internet forum with a controversialist streak to respond to the challenge; especially against something as loved as an E46 M3 or an 850CSi. Like, picking against two of the brand's most loved cars is already a bad start.

You double down on this by "daring" others to find people that would think otherwise (not hard), making unnecessary statements about a persons origin. Calling their choices ugly or stupid otherwise in this all too familiar scenario. Giving said people even more reason to just even flamebait you into thinking that they straight up hate these Italian cars so much you need to set them straight.

Like surely if spelling it out like this doesn't make it more clear, I think you're honestly too far gone at this point. Who cares if the 8C is nicer looking. It's the way you say it that disrespects everyone else's opinion about it, and is entirely why you get the disrespect back the way you do mate.

Lmfao.

PTSD flashbacks of 800+hp Patrols beating hypercars in drag races

Internal screaming AAAAAHHH- 😂

Go back to the 90s crap hatchbacks and BMWs you have in Uganda.

Source? Bro, stop speaking out of your A?shole, you have definitely never been in this country. If you were in this country, you would notice that 90s cars are now rare. And I never knew Range Rovers, Land Cruisers, and GLEs/MLs were crap. You really need to stop your glazing nonsense; it's getting annoying.

He thinks his opinion is superior, lol. It’s giving this fr.

I'm making one pass at maybe trying to help them understand how useless that ideology is. So I'll just enjoy the fun after if it doesn't get through lol.

It's already entertaining so far 😎

Based on the latest data from the 2024 Uganda Population and Housing Census released by the Uganda Bureau of Statistics (UBOS), the estimated illiteracy rate for men in Uganda is approximately 19% to 20%.

Sybau

Such people don't belong on a website like this; they think they are better than everyone.

On a separate probably unrelated note I have my popcorn ready.

Used ones are.

The 8C Competizione is unanimously considered great looking. Looks like FL users don't know that, you cant just keep saying that something 98% of people call beautiful is hideous just because it's me saying it.
On the other hand i've never seen someone say that the counterpart is better looking.

My statements may seem forced because i KNOW that what i'm saying has the approval of the general opinion.

Arab oil barons can buy such cars new, i doubt the average Ugandan has money to buy a brand new Land Cruiser.

Try to use your actual brain amd study some car design before giving your opinion on a car's looks. Don't just follow the mass.

r/whoosh 😂😂

Yeah. I'm not throwing another bone like that again. You missed every single point just to tell me that the 8C looks good; which, if you read again, is not something I ever disagreed with.

Keep having fun in your own little headspace lmao.

My point is that saying the exact opposite of what 98% of people think isn't gonna get you anywere ( @koenigseggjesko ). But apparently saying what is true has the same result on here. Remember, the end justifies the means.

I'd love to know where you get this "98%" from.

Fun fact: People that use any number from 90-99% followed by a phrase they believe in is by vast majority of the time never statistically proven.

Your justified end is the dislikes you gain little buddy. Lol.

I'd love to know where you get this "98%" from.

It is of course a way to say that most people agree with me, you know that.
No flashy headlines about it pooking bad, no negative reviews of the 8C. That alone should prove to you that if you dont like it youre wrong.
If that cant get in your head, dont reply.

And yet above, just as you did before, you got replies demonstrating people hating the car, to the complete contrary of your statements which as above, as I told you, motivate people to do this.

You really don't get it don't you? Hahaha

I hope this goes on all day 😂

That's not even what I said. I said reliable cars are common there, which doesn't mean there are only reliable cars. You read what you wanna read, do you?

And you're not even consistent in your own logic. You once said that design is objective (which is debatable) while looks are subjective. If looks are subjective, @koenigseggjesko and everyone else has the right to hate, love, accept etc. the 8c's looks in any way they want.
Not sure if you live up to your title "trusted member".

And it doesn't matter if it's a non-sense comment or not, you dared to find one and I found one.

You can like it or not but you cannot say it isnt beautiful.

It's not beautiful.

Oh, apparently I can.

Cant you read? I said MOST.

Lmfao, followed by and I quote "No negative reviews."

Double standard huh?

You do know that "beauty" is something we made up, right? I wish I could ask a praying mantis if the 8c is beautiful lol.

See y'all cant have a serious conversation.

😂

Define "serious conversation" then if you're not open for some philosophical thoughts.

Not sure if you live up to your title "trusted member".

And pulling $hit out of your bum isn’t going to get you anywhere, imagine calling a countries roads small, or saying a country just has 90s cars even if you have never been in it. Sorry to break it to you, your stupid.

@JustSomeDude what I said was true.

Bro lost🤣😂

if you have never been in it

The internet exists.

Hate to burst your bubble, my dad is an average Ugandan and he is waiting for the 2026 Land Cruiser 300 to come to Uganda. Sybau

Not sure if you live up to your title "trusted member"

Looks like i'm the only one that costantly imputs data and suggests changes so yes, i do.

If you have to study cars to love them, then that’s not real love, you just want to be like some extreme car enthusiasts that saybeautiful cars are ugly, that’s not real love.

An actual exchange of POVs and opinions over something without stupid jokes.

lol 😂, you actually listen to the internet, you are actually stupid.

 the day beautiful cars are ugly, that’s not real love.

The 8C is considered beautiful by most and you said it's ugly, you proved yourself wrong.

How old do you need to be to think that listening to the thing that permits to everyone to have information and comunicate to eachother is stupid?

See? Now you have no words.

Bruh you literally got false info if you got.

Go back to the 90s crap hatchbacks and BMWs you have in Uganda.

So just shut the F$&k, you are to stupid to know anything about uganda.

Because you don’t know how to process what people say, it’s frustrating fr.

I know and very well, pretty sure that you said that when you think beautiful cars are ugly you dont like cars anymore.

You said that the 8C (a generally good looking car) is ugly. Therefore according to you, you dont like cars.

lol you don’t even want to show the other picture of the mustang because there is a Land Cruiser.

Yeah and a old ass bus

I know and very well, pretty sure that you said that when you think beautiful cars are ugly you dont like cars anymore.

Proof? Just shut up you have lost. And you are lucky I am not home

hey, governments have bot squads that like every pro-them post and make glazing comments, why don't car companies do the same?

for legal reasons, this is a joke

Quote on quote:
"The 8C is very ugly"

Is this enough

@FastestLaps he’s hating on the teletubies bus.

This is the equivalent of going to rome and taking photos only of the S Classes and 7ers, ignoring the 375 thousand fiat Pandas.

And by the way, the car in the mustang pic you showed isn’t old, you are just proving my point, we don’t have many old cars, they are getting rarer every month.

that car in the 2nd pic's background looks like a Pontiac Vibe
one of those rare cars that are only interesting because you don't see them often lol

That was around 2000s, pretty old for me? Actually it would be considered a Youngtimer for being over 20.

Well, if you are talking about ignoring range rovers and GLE/MLs then yes.

But you said 90s, stop trying to change what you said.

I never even noticed that. The only reason I took the pic was because of those armored vehicles to the right.

90s is to generalize.
Lets say 2000>

What ever you are saying doesn’t even matter, it’s a 2015 model, imagine proving my point.

"The internet exists" - prejudices and false assumptions about countries still exist too. Wayy too many. Actually visiting a country and speaking to the people is still a thousand times better than looking at some pictures and watching videos that may have left important things out.

If you seriously think you're the only one constantly inputting data, you are beyond delusional.

FastestLaps
Hoppelmoppel123
humana
07CorvetteZ51
Z31Turbo84
Jeremyclarkson1
(I probably even forgot a few)

Also, while I did type "lol" after that, it wasn't a joke. I was trying to tell you that "beauty" is not natural but something we humans perceive. Animals too maybe. Because you're saying that the 8c is beautiful as if it were a scientific fact meanwhile it's just representing how our brains work, that many people prefer fluid lines etc. Then again, other people prefer complex designs with sharp edges which completely fine and normal too. And I genuinely wonder how a praying mantis sees the world and how it would perceive the 8c, if it should be able to feel something like beauty or if it's at least able to prefer something over something else based on what it can see. But sadly, "What Is It Like For A Bat To Be A Bat?" - so we can't really imagine that.

Anyway, if you are so enthusiastic about the 8c, then why the heck did this thread's topic change to what cars are driving in Uganda? First, you mention a few pictures @koenigseggjesko once uploaded and judge the whole country based on them (which is just insane). And when you're shown other cars you act like they have to exist in only the most wealthy parts of Uganda. Make it make sense. Reality check: There are both expensive and cheap cars in every country. There are both friendly and hateful people in every country. And there are both poor and rich people in every country. Doesn't matter if it's Uganda, Italy, Spain, Namibia, France or whatever.
When I visited Rome there were areas with amazingly beautiful historic architecture and other areas that just smelled like piss (you can't smell on the internet btw).

And you said: "You said that the 8C (a generally good looking car) is ugly. Therefore according to you, you dont like cars." Please tell me that you can see on your own that this is a humorously wrong conclusion. 😂 It seems like what's happening here is

"Most people like it, so it must be an objectifically good design."

making you say

"(...) No flashy headlines about it pooking bad, no negative reviews of the 8C. That alone should prove to you that if you dont like it youre wrong.
If that cant get in your head, dont reply."

Echo Chamber
You're in a bubble.

Bandwagon Effect
This is what you actually criticize yourself: "(...) people who glaze cars just because they are famous."

Groupthink
Everyone adapts and if somebody says something negative, he probably gets dissed or at least other argue that.

Speaking of adapt: "Given its problematic nature, it remains unclear why the bias evolved and is still with us today. To offer an explanation, several philosophers and scientists have argued that the bias is in fact adaptive." - taken from https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Confirmation+bias&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1775473143316&u=%23p%3D_jckk44nJtoJ

But that's not enough. You're "My taste in cars is perfect." - the very first words in your bio - is actually just

Overconfidence bias
You think: you're taste = objective truth without a fraction of a doubt

Naive realism
You think that you see things like the 8c how they really are so that's why you're not only saying "I like the 8c's design" but also "The 8c IS beautiful" and if someone else says something else, he's wrong. Taken from the same comment of yours:

"(...) if you dont like it youre wrong.
If that cant get in your head, dont reply."

And maybe you also have an identity problem. Meaning that you are your own taste in cars and if someone criticizes your taste, you feel personally attacked.

Not saying I'm immune to these things, just pointing them out.

Why can't you just accept that other people prefer something else, even though I actually don't want to defend bmw?

Anything else to say? Maybe again react to 1% of the comment that is somewhat debatable and ignore everything else like you often do?

Reminds me of the time when he said uganda has small roads lol.

The internet exists" - prejudices and false assumptions about countries still exist too. Wayy too many. Actually visiting a country and speaking to the people is still a thousand times better than looking at some pictures and watching videos that may have left important things out.

Yes and? You'll just get confirmation of what you read on the internet and additional information.

FastestLaps
Hoppelmoppel123
humana
07CorvetteZ51
Z31Turbo84
Jeremyclarkson1
(I probably even forgot a few)

All of the following except one are mods, it's what they are supposed to do.
I'm the only one (or among like 3) non-mod that actually sumbits videos, data and reviews which all get added after quite some time.

Because you're saying that the 8c is beautiful as if it were a scientific fact meanwhile it's just representing how our brains work, that many people prefer fluid lines etc. Then again, other people prefer complex designs with sharp edges which completely fine and normal too.

It is. As i said in my post about design some time ago, the vast majority of unanimously considered good looking cars has a fluid and organic design, which by simple logic means people like more fluid and organic than sharp and boxy. There is nothing wrong in saying "I like the 8C but i prefer the Z8" for example, but saying quote on quote: "The 8C is very ugly🤮" IS wrong. That is because it is:
1- Considered by the vast mmajority beautiful.
2- Critical aspects of a good design are present in it
Therefore it is a good looking car.
The difference you and others don't seem to understand is that design≠looks. Looks is how something is percieved, beautiful or ugly. Design is how something is built and is responsible for the most part of how the object will look, this last one though HAS RULES! Which must be respected and if a product does so, it automatically is good looking.

Anyway, if you are so enthusiastic about the 8c, then why the heck did this thread's topic change to what cars are driving in Uganda? First, you mention a few pictures @koenigseggjesko once uploaded and judge the whole country based on them (which is just insane). And when you're shown other cars you act like they have to exist in only the most wealthy parts of Uganda. Make it make sense. Reality check: There are both expensive and cheap cars in every country. There are both friendly and hateful people in every country. And there are both poor and rich people in every country. 

Why it switched to Uganda? Because every time i propose an Italian car as good looking the same guy shows up saying it's literal crap. So since you like thinking that you know how everyone thinks i'll explain what i though: I say that a generally good looking Italian car looks good>same user as always tells me it's ugly as sin with little to none explanation>i ask why>i get hate>i remember he lives in a not so developed country (most respectful way i could say this)>therefore he probably isn't used to that degree of cars>i say that>i get hate> i get shown pictures of 5 luxury cars>i say that rich people are everywere so it does not prove that it is a developed country>i get hate>i show that the average car there is from 90s-2010 timespan>no acceptance of my point.

When I visited Rome there were areas with amazingly beautiful historic architecture and other areas that just smelled like piss (you can't smell on the internet btw).

Yes I know perfectly ehat you are talking about. Sadly you can also know other people's experiwnces on the internet so you could have known that.

And you said: "You said that the 8C (a generally good looking car) is ugly. Therefore according to you, you dont like cars." Please tell me that you can see on your own that this is a humorously wrong conclusion. 😂 It seems like what's happening here is

The guy first said: "The 8C is very ugly🤮."
Which is saying that a generally considered good looking car is ugly.

Then he said: If you have to study cars to love them, then that’s not real love, you just want to be like some extreme car enthusiasts that saybeautiful cars are ugly, that’s not real love.

that saybeautiful cars are ugly, that’s not real love.

So he is saying that if i say for example the F40 is ugly, i do not love cars.

He said that the 8C is ugly so according to HIS point he is wrong and doesnt love cars.

I've already answered all the psycological analysis shi you commented so no need to type it again.

Why can't you just accept that other people prefer something else, even though I actually don't want to defend bmw?

I accept that other people prefer something else, i don't accept that they trashtalk about the rest without evidence.

@koenigseggjesko this is how a conversation works, not random insults.

Not to start this again but:

The biggest and most significant road project in Uganda is the Entebbe–Kampala Expressway, which is 51km long and 21-26 meters wide.

the A1 "Autostrada del Sole" is Italy's longest motorway at 760 km. It is between 22 and 29 meters wide.

Have you forgotten the fact that you proved yourself wrong?

Considered by the vast mmajority beautiful.

Aren't you the same person who said I shouldn't follow the masses? You are such a hypocrite.

shouldn't follow the masses?

You shouldn't if they are wrong, in this case they are not.

Have you forgotten the fact that you proved yourself wrong?

Are 4 FL users the "vast majority"?

I accept that other people prefer something else, i don't accept that they trashtalk about the rest without evidence.

All your arguments literally lead to dead ends.

You shouldn't if they are wrong, in this case they are not.

I accept that other people prefer something else, i don't accept that they trashtalk about the rest without evidence.

Are 4 FL users the "vast majority"?

I don't know if you have bad memory or you don't know how to process what people say.

Yes, because the point is pretty simple, you can not like it but you cant trash it.

It's likely that you are wealthier than what you think.
The average salary is 500-1150$ apparently.
Just for clarification.

I don't think this needs to be repeated, but as above, your confirmation bias really gives your argument no real value. Majority opinion means nothing as this whole discussion at this point is subjective. Ergo saying things like:

"quote on quote: "The 8C is very ugly🤮" IS wrong. "

Is in itself straight up wrong. You can't call someone wrong for being subjective and having their own form of taste. Even if you think it's wrong. It's not your life or choice. It's theirs. They're free thinking, especially if you irritate them with back-handed comments about their taste, then they will of course respond in kind. It's human nature. You can't control this lol.

And this is just another small facet of the things you've said to date that earns those thumbs down you question from time to time, lol.

And to which, I throw the same point BACK as well. To suggest things like:

"you just want to be like some extreme car enthusiasts that saybeautiful cars are ugly, that’s not real love."

Or

"I accept that other people prefer something else, i don't accept that they trashtalk about the rest without evidence."

Is all your own opinion. And to a double-standard in this context. Calling it not real love is in itself wrong, as, like I said above, it's subjective. People have a right to like what you call ugly and hate what you call pretty. You have no power to change this. 😂

The latter half of this discussion has really devolved this far and this last point is really, really, really important so listen carefully...

In subjective discussions, beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

No one can be wrong about their feelings about a car's aesthetic, and by nature of the discussion, it is their choice. Subjective discussions are based on emotion and feeling, but calling other people's preferences wrong, like if they prefer a BMW, is completely wrong, as you try to draw a line from subjective discussion to objective discussion in the worst way possible. And additionally, as before, most of this disagreement, is fuelled purely by the way it disrespected so many other people in this reply chain just to simp on an Alfa instead of letting people say what they want. You made this bed, and now you lie in it.

In any case, you can continue your back and forth about this or Ugandan quality of life. But there's really not much of a proper discussion anymore at this stage. I write this to hopefully footnote the end of a bicker that's really fleshed itself out quite a while ago. I don't intend to reply or join back in after this but who knows, enough landmarks have been made here, maybe we'll sink one hilarious step further. Lmao.

calling other people's preferences wrong, like if they prefer a BMW, is completely wrong, as you try to draw a line from subjective discussion to objective discussion in the worst way possible

If it's objectively worse like in this case, they are wrong. Thats it.

I don't intend to reply or join back in

Neither do i, but my point is still not getting through.

"If it's objectively worse like in this case, they are wrong. Thats it."

You really plan to go down with the ship don't you? 😂

Mate that's basic logic.
You simply cannot prefer something worse.

Enjoy continually mixing up subjective and objective lmao. I'll just keep watching from over here.

Nothing to watch anymore, i understood that my point is not welcome therefore i will not continue.

You simply cannot prefer something worse.

But you prefer Alphas over BMWs.

Man, listening to A.I isn't going to get you anywhere. Most Ugandans go to SSD for more job opportunities. just for jobs, nothing else.

Because based on personal experience they provide better driving experience, looks, reliability and the brand is more exotic.

I don't know why you are deflecting the fact that I proved you wrong; you even proved yourself wrong. You always want to talk about the bad things about Uganda because you know you have already lost.

Go back to the 90s crap hatchbacks and BMWs you have in Uganda.

Like, where did this come from?? A.I? This is pure deflection. How would you feel if I talked bad about Italy? And btw, that money is enough to buy a car that isn't from the 90s; you just proved it. you are wrong.

reliability

Who is the one with false information now?

YOU

i LIVE with one and the only thing that happened was a cable broke. and if thats not enough:

Lmfao. We finally sunk deeper.

From that article:

And so we go further. Let's pull up a general reliability survey. Instead of, you know, hyperfocusing on one specific car, that isn't even the 8C in discussion lmao. The 2025 United States survey is pretty good here:

Alfa, isn't even in the top 20. It hasn't been for some time. Along with most Italian brands. Trim or strange electrical issues are all too common for these cars. Which, btw, comes from a guy who also grew up with Italian cars. So... 👍

Still the best in class for reliability and 98.3% is a great score.

While using German parts lmao.

PREDICTED reliability.

Trim or strange electrical issues are all too common for these cars

Only strange electrical issues with the 159 has been the RPM gauge not working and the leds in it dimming. all went away by restarting it.

They are all minor issues that can be fixed with a battery, restart or a quick mechanic trip.
One of my professors had a 156, it turned off on the highwway and wouldn't turn on again. Once on the truck, he tried to turn it on again and it worked. The next day he went to a mechanic and allat was due to a sensor being worn out.

All of these are minor issues that in surveys like these are considered on the same level as the turbo blowing up.

I've always had Italian cars and never had major issues. My grandpa's Lancia Musa has a check engine light on since 2024 and nothing happened yer.

Magneti Marelli is Italian, and you just accepted that it is more reliable.

Never accepted it was more reliable. It being a 7th place category out of 11 makes it less reliable on the whole of that survey.

The ZF 8 speed is a distinctive German Drivetrain for the Giulia. Shared with...

Drum roll.

Your favourite M3! 😂

Guess what? The M3 did not have it until the G80 and the variant in the Giulia is considered the best calibrated ZF8 there is. Once again proving that german engineering is nothing extraordinary like most people think

It being a 7th place category out of 11 makes it less reliable on the whole of that survey.

The average of that category is 91%, wow really unreliable! will never buy it!

You can't use a "Never happened to me so it never happened to anyone else" approach to any Italian car whatsoever. My Dad's GTV was frequently driven to a specific mechanic yearly, taken interstate, as they were one of the few alfa specialists in the country.

And even then they were frequent to overheating. Air cons failing. Poor seating comfort (due to non-straight seating or the intrusively large steering wheel), the often flying off plastic piece on the bonnet of the GTV6 which is infamous by the way for being a bandaid for a problem they had with the busso engine. It flew off in place of a ruined bonnet.

I could list issues for hours. You are living in a vacuum and it's almost an insult to others that you don't respect Italian cars for what they really are.

The 2.0T sharing the engine with a Jeep named one of the most unreliable cars of all time says a lot for your blind passion here 😂

And additionally at that. The Giulia wasn't the first, by decades, to use a ZF.

They took a page from the German BMWs. They had them long before Alfa. Lol.

The 2.0T is a completely Italian built engine.
Wanna talk about the Multijets? Tanks.

Which GTV? The 90s one? If yes those were the early years of "Alfiats". It could very well have been a faulty unit.

I'd much rather talk about how you "will not continue" but that's a separate can of worms here 😂

they really are.

If what they really are is Good looking cars with electrical gremlins and low quality interiors it is, but that is not what i know and what i've experienced, thats just a misconception of 30-40 years ago.

Oh wow. I think you should go back and learn Alfa's history some more. That's an iconic and easily identifiable fault.

You don't love Alfa's enough for how much you're trying to defend here.

It's a conception that continues to this day.

It's the reason quattroportes and ghiblis sell for next to nothing. It's well documented terrible build quality.

Will not continue about Uganda and the 8C, not how people still think that Italian cars are unreliable which is total bullshit.

1st 159: Blew up while on warranty, engine replaced for free and went on for 220.000km before selling it with just a DPF replaced from 2007 to 2018.

Fiat Multipla: Used to do 80km per day, changed an air filter per year and the radio stopped working. Sold in 2024 after 140.000km mechanically perfect.

Lancia Musa: No known issues other than: Belt actuators died this year,, right window button fell off. Been running with a check engine light for some time, bought brand new.

Fiat Panda: Used as a daily, bought at 75.000 now it sits at 345.000km, pretty much rebuilt the whole car outside of the engine due to age, engine had never been touched except: 2 candles and 3 butterfly bodies due to it being 21 years old.

2nd 159: Perfect since 2020, now sits at 155.000km with only a power steering cable replaced.

500L: Completely fine, once it needed a oil change before time because of a driver error.

While using German parts lmao.

It's the reason quattroportes and ghiblis sell for next to nothing. It's well documented terrible build quality.

Imagine being so soft that "poor" build quality on a luxury sedan is a problem especially if used it shouldnt be. Ghibli and quattroporte mount the magnificent 3.0 V6 Multijet wich is great for reliability and the same thing goes for the petrol V6.

It's only the gearbox. Which is still tuned by italians.

Will not continue about Uganda

Why the hell did you even start with it? If you don't know anything about it? You were proven wrong and don't want to give your sources, Sybau.

Why the hell did even you start with it?

Already been said.

You were proven wrong.

All i see is that the longest road in Uganda is less than 1/10th of the longest road in Italy, that most cars are hatchbacks and SUVs from the 2000s and that the salaries are low. Pretty much proves my point.

Anyway, i wont go further to respect what i said before.

I love the first one. Engine blew up under warranty. Like this isn't a major glaring issue that's completely uncommon for other brands?? 😂😂

Allow me to bring receipts (I can bring more) to where this, crazy to you I guess, poor italian reliability comes from. Lmao.

It means a lot if my sunroof starts leaking all over my luxury experience 😂😂😂

It means a lot if my car's infotainment system won't even turn on half the time or half my safety features are malfunctioning! LOL

And I can see what you'd say next "Well who needs those?" Kinda important when your car decides for itself it needs them and starts going to limp mode or refuse to start 😂

But they aren’t from the 90s like you said, you were proven wrong, you lost whatever you were fighting for, full stop.

And I don’t know why you like talking about different things when arguing with people. I was talking about width, not length.

So now Shut the freaking f@&k up, you’ve lost.

Engine blew up under warranty. Like this isn't a major glaring issue

See? ONe bad thing and now it's unreliable crap. As i said it happened under warranty and replaced for free, that means zero stress or money spent so its almost like it never happened.

What is a serious problem though, is people not servicing them enough.

Again proves that they just need maintenance regularly.

As i said, they stoipped being unreliable in the late 90s, anything befire that was probably true.

Wanna talk about GERMAN reliabilty problems huh? My dad works at an Audi dealership and he often gets comments about having Alfas and things like that. You can't even imagine the quantity of cars that go in the shop for repairs, people even return them because they break a lot. Even the Audi mechanics themselfs told me that the 159 is far superior to the new crap germany is building. Even wirse are the repair prices, because you are paying for "german engineering" that failed miserably.

Are you geniunely trying to save your point by being extremely picky about a general assumption that i made that was partially wrong?
90s to 2000s, what a difference!

Still smaller there too. Also i'd think that a 600km plus difference in lenght should tell you something

"Zero stress" yeah right. An engine replacement is a huge job and often an insurance write off. Often takes weeks to months to do depending on how bespoke or extensive the damage is. Ain't no way it's zero stress. 💀

Regular maintenance is something any car needs. Including those supposed abused Audis. Every brand has bad owners.

And since you think the brand reliability stopped in the 90s, time for more receipts, lol:

Every brand has bad owners.

Yes and that is the problem for Italian cars, they just need mainetnance , they arent unreliable.

and since you think the brand reliability stopped in the 90s, time for more receipts, lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyBwvrMbkVw

First, i'd suggest you to look at the comments under this video...second, Giulietta has Multiair, Multijets and TBi. Multiair's problems are just the Multiair system that needs to be replaced once or twice in the car's life, that is pricy. Check if it has been replaced before buying it, that's the only problem of those engines. Multijets are better than TDIs, they have more torque and they are snappier, also successors of the original common rail fiat diesel engines, JTDm is multiair and it never had a pproblem for me. TBi is often considered the only reliable petrol engine for 159s and Brera, completely italian and full alluminum.

I don’t even know why we are talking about highways when I was talking about normal roads in the first place.

Now if you stop sending videos from the same person with all the comments and all the italian mechanics against them, i'd go do my things.

It’s more late 2000s to early 2010s, big difference. And you were the one who said 90s, not me.

This is like saying "I don’t even know why we are talking about sedans when I was talking about just cars in the first place."

I'd encourage you to actually watch these videos rather than read the comments.

There are always people that'll say "Oh this didn't happen to me, mine's fine"

Let's list some of the technical issues and quality for a debrief:

• Breaking door handles
• Breaking electrical looms
• Breaking taillight wiring and rear hatch release
• Breaking headlight assembly (full replacement
• Busted AC fans requiring a full dash-out fix (8+ hours labour btw)
• Buttons just straight up not working
• Worn out plastic componentry in the engine bay. Large amounts and numerous. Everything from "radiators, to thermostat housings and expansion tanks".
• Complete turbo replacements. (Practically a write-off alone)
• Full engine pull outs to fix plugs

This is just the Giulia. A car built well and far beyond the 90s.

I'm more than happy to go deeper here. Up to you. 😂

If you could be a good boy and watch this video from 12:00 to 20:00, you can watch the full thing if you want, you would notice that:

1 There aren’t many 90s cars on the road.

2 And the roads aren’t even small.

You are just assuming we are underdeveloped cause we are African.

Listing all the problems of a car and saying is problematic is stupid, you need to see what actually is almost guaranteed to happen, for example these are all the problem of f series 3er. A lot but people say it's reliable.

Timing chain failure on N47 engines Cold start metallic noise (timing chain warning sign) EGR valve clogging and failure EGR recalls (rare fire risk cases) Diesel intake manifold carbon buildup Minor EGR issues also on B47 Timing chain issues on N20 engines High-pressure fuel pump failure (petrol) Oil consumption on some N20 engines Faulty thermostat on newer engines Electric water pump failure Ignition coil failures ZF automatic transmission jerks if fluid never changed Premature transmission wear without maintenance Clutch wear on manual transmissions Dual-mass flywheel vibrations lag or random reboots Instrument cluster pixel or backlight issues Parking sensors malfunction or false readings Electrical errors due to weak battery IBS (battery management) faults EGR cooler leaks Front control arm bushing wear Worn shock absorbers at higher mileage Numb or imprecise steering feel Interior rattles and creaks Door seal wind noise Seat leather wear DPF clogging with frequent short trips Turbo issues with poor maintenance

"Inside Kampala's rich neighbourhood"

doesnt really represent the average does it?

It’s not really rich.

Would be nice if you could format this like a normal person.

The problem with your statement is you don't just connect the dots like that and just assume it's reliable because it shares a list of possible issues that could be more or less of a different car. The Giulia is far more susceptible to a higher frequency of this than what you're calling a "reliable f series bmw". I'm not defending BMW at all here. In fact a lot of particular models of BMWs can be quite riddled with surprise problems due to the nature of their design. But by and large BMW does have a much better statistical history of their cars having less issues vs Alfa, since you want to compare it, and the few that do are eclipsed by the others that turn and turn for often hundreds of thousands of miles.

So let's go deeper again, shall we? 😂

This one is a good one. Some water ingress issues on the convertibles and sunroofs are quote "Impossible to repair" in certain regions. So you're stuck with a car that won't work in the rain... 😂

"Fix It Again Tony." Lol

Looks like this guy has something with italian cars huh?

Again, look at the comments...and imagine saying the FIRE engine is unreliable. BRUH.

You are acting as if you don’t have something with Germans cars.

But see this is the core of what I'm getting at here. You're ignoring the mechanics and statistical evidence with receipts to show you that there are extensive issues.

There have been times in the past the modern 500 has been labeled one of the most unreliable cars of all time, with the highest return to dealership rates amongst nearly every other car. This is not nearly as common now but go back 10 years they were infamous.

Instead of going to the comments to find your selective confirmation bias, just admit that, with extensive proof, you are completely and objectively wrong about Italian cars and Alfas. The late Giulia is one of the few exceptions to the rule being better than the rest of italy but still well short of considerably true reliability on the whole. It will never be anything like a JDM. It may compete with some BMWs but that doesn't make it a truly reliable car. Not at all. And this is on an entirely separate gamut to the 8C in OP.

It's a farce that you want to go this far, especially against a guy who has a pretty similar depth to Italian cars. I'm completely convinced you have no proper passion for these machines as you don't even know some of Alfa's most famous quirks.

It's sad really.

German cars are boring yes, Italian cars are not unreliable and that's something i know about.

Been watching this. Actually really interesting to see how built-up everything is and just how many cars are on the road.

Lotta potholes though haha.

Well you've not really produced much to say otherwise to this so far and you've posted a video that just talks about the engine. Ignoring, literally everything else lmfao.

You're ignoring the mechanics and statistical evidence with receipts to show you that there are extensive issues.

Mate the extensive issues you are showing me are just all the issues the car has, which is normal since cars are so complex. You are not showing me things like "The gearbox is likely to fail" or "the timing chain needs to be replaced frequently".

If you had an actual knowledge about engines you'd only respect such examples as the Multiair, FIRE and Multijet. I'm italian i know my cars and every mechanic here will tell you that all of these three are bulletproof.

"From engine to legend"

"The engine that Saved FIAT"

"The engine that moved a nation"

"The Best fiat engine"

These engines are great, people just hate on Italian engineering for a sketchy past.
If the FIRE was so bad why it went from the 80s to 2017?
If the Multijet is so bad why is it still on the Giulia 20 years later?
These engines are bulletproof.

You forgot the huge "IMMORTAL" writing?

Except I did post that these things need frequent work. You just ignored it.
And then proceed to move the goal posts to just the engines when the largest complaints about these cars are the interiors literally falling apart.

Talking to a wall at this point. 😂

Absolutely not immortal. 😂😂

My Panda is proof but ok then. Literally nothing changed due to failure in 20 years.

these cars are the interiors literally falling apart.

Never heard of it.
Maybe australians are softies and cant handle click buttons or sticky plastic, that's as far as it gets. My Panda's AC vents can be taken out literally by just pushing out and the driver seat is scratched open on the side so what? Incredibly frustrating!!! If you care about this you're just soft.

Then we were talking about mechanical reliability...us Italians are the best when it comes to powertrains.

Yet again with the "Mine's perfect so everyone else's is" lmfao

https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/everything-just-fails-on-those-the-cars-that-break-down-the-most/

Tell me you never watched the vids I linked without telling me you never watched the vids.

Literally.

Every.

Video.

Trim issues. Everywhere.

LMAO.

You are actually daft atp 😂

I was going to spare you the pain of this. But let's take a dig at Ferrari next.

Probably half the video is just issues. Pure issues. A pure car sure. I like the 360. But you are spending tons of money on this car. Nothing like the later models such as the 458.

Some common issues are tens of thousands of dollars. Common! Lol

Mine's perfect so everyone else's is" lmfao

The panda is a literal cult object in Italy, it's considered THE car.
Then, they sell millions and mostly to elderly and 18yr olds, not exactly the people that care after their cars.

I've never experienced this and never heard people talk about it. And as I said, thats minor issues.

Imagine caring about reliability on a Supercar. If you have supercar money, you can afford supercar maintenance. What's with only Linking Australian posts? Down there everything is upside down so maybe thats why they apparently have issues.

Why not post actual mechanical reports about these cars having good interiors and electrics then? What's wrong with me linking one channel that does a detailed analysis with background checks on each car they look at?

Better than pulling a googled ai search.

Literally in that post it highlights interior issues. Like not even the ai can answer without mentioning it at least once 😂😂

Because this channel trash talks about everything?

So what? It's a A-Segment hatchback.

Moving goal posts to just the engine again I see.

Ignoring for example some of the worst automated transmissions ever in the 500

Not even. Go watch some of their other reviews. Or hell, watch anything I actually posted. Because you'll find like on the 695 they actually liked the car?

They're mechanics, and care about a car on a whole different level, something you'd ought to relate to better in a mechanic family:

anyone with a brain knows to not get automatics in 2000-2010 cars. Remember E60?

You seem to have forgotten about the whole country of italy then from that time.

Stop dragging BMW into this idc for BMWs here.

The FIRE engine has 273 components, 100 less than the predecessor. It is now part of italian culture, simple, strong and works under every circumstance.

That was the first thing that came to my mind.

Why don't we talk the Quattroporte, averaging some eighteen thousand miles* and then requiring some 10-15K to replace their transmission on the early 2000s models.

No, why don't we talk about the BMWs instead? 😂😂😂

You're obsessed with hating BMW. Lmao.

Everyone was nmaking shit autos back then. Q tronic included. The Maserati Quattroporte Mk V had available the ZF gearbox too...that was good

It took them years to figure out that the early transmissions were no good and put the ZFs in.

Years, and years. Of expensive, highly unreliable transmissions.

This being your Giulia precursor car.

Manual transmissions were still a thing back then, those were really good, same for Q-Tronic, the bad auto was the Selespeed. M32 Gearbox talk is all sh1t, i had never heard of it being bad before searching it up and it never felt bad either.

You said manual. I did not. Lol.

I answered you, ZF was there for the maserati and Q-Tronic for Alfa. The point is, no auto was better than manuals back then so why care about them?

Because people bought them? Why pretend like they don't exist.

These are luxury saloons. Far, far more likely to have automatics in these than a sports car.

Look! They have a brain! They like the Giulia.

Yeah took you long enough.

I held back from posting it three times. Just 'cos I've been waiting for you to watch any of these. Lmfao.

So now that we've established they have a brain, we can also concurrently then acknowledge their complaints and reports about the other cars must be using the same brain.

So we established a proper connection finally. Good.

So I think we can well and truly say we've finally reached, the very depths of your argumentative mental capacity here and we can call it a day. You've proven to me your faults. You never watched the Fiat videos. Instead telling me the 500 engine was good, which, that's what I posted the video with, saying so? Proving you lacked the conscience to even pay attention to the video itself.

You've now finally taken in the unbiased approach and shown that you can finally take impartiality seriously, thus acknowledging these guys can actually talk with a head on their shoulders.

You're finally being receptive to some level of feedback here, instead of being pure defensive and taking the pure wall approach and not taking anything onboard.

We reached a connection. We can finally agree that there is truth to what those guys say and also that they're the receipts to a lot of the things I said today.

Glad we finally agree. 🙃

They're still wrong about the 500 and the 2.2 diesel engines, calling them Ok...they are far more than ok.

😂

Nah we're done here buddy. Good try. Lol.

Finally.

Well it's true, they arent just okay, they are very nice engines.