SUVs were the beginning of the end. Back then, the only SUVs you'd see were cool stuff like Blazers and Broncos. Now, every single car you see on the road is a bland-looking blobfish on wheels. Design and engineering are gone. Now, car companies just pump out variations of the same theme, and most people don't care. Art is dead, especially in the automotive realm.
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exhaustingexhst 1w ago
The disappearing of buttons really bothers me
We had this in the 80s already actually with the 87 Buick Riviera to be the first car with a touch screen. Even climate control was controlled over the touch screen - just like today. It's nothing new.
But eventually the concept was canceled since people were likely to get distracted and crash.
And nowadays? It's still distracting. But there are enough assistants to take control whenever you are distracted so might as well just replace nearly every button with a giant screen. No need for buttons if people aren't the ones driving anymore.
Screens are so difficult to use while driving. You have to look at it and hit the right "button" and if you miss you have to go back and start over.
In my car, I can turn on / off cruise control, auto start-stop, lane-keeping steering, seat heating etc. as well as control next / previous track, volume and climate control while even knowing to what temperature I changed it due to click sounds when I rotate the knob all while keeping my eyes on the road at all times. Try that in a car with a big touch screen for everything.
I might have a strong opinion when it comes this topic but even with the assistants we have today, the driver should be able to control these things without even looking. We have enough distractions in everyday life already.
Look at the planes - they still have tons of buttons. They are focused on functionality while car brands just follow trends and wanna look Sci-fi at all costs.
I don't need an integrated tablet in a car dammit
07CorvetteZ51 1w ago
I totally agree. I do not like touch screens. I love buttons. Buttons are easy to use while driving! Our Panamera S has lots of buttons, and they are great.
RacerAsher 4d ago
I feel like touchscreens and infotainment technology is planned obsolescence in a way. Once the software becomes outdated and is no longer supported you're screwed.
Also, it's like looking at your phone while driving. Having screens in a car is a recipe for wrecks.
In addition, screens are overly complicated. You must navigate through all of the menus and submenus and sort out all the subscription-based stuff just to turn on the windshield wipers. It doesn't have to be complicated, just make it functional.
Finally, touchscreens are cumbersome and complicated in terms of engineering. You can't work on your own car anymore unless you're an experienced computer technician. Once the computer system breaks, you can't even control your own car. You just have to hope and pray that it still works even as it ages.
Reach out, touch faith.
07CorvetteZ51 1w ago
I really like buttons! The Panamera S has lots of buttons. I don't particularly like EVs since they are overweight, handle and brake poorly; and lack the sound of performance. I am not an offroad driver, so SUVs are unimportant to me. Hybrids are heavy and require battery replacement. I am not a fan of overly big screens either, I like gauges. Overall though, its the disappearance of buttons in favor of touch screens that really bothers me.
nomoreZ 1w ago
ahh, world is ending mongering. Welcome to the club! I've been saying the car industry has been dying since Renault pulled out of US. It obviously still lives, and will continue in some way for some time. Not that I'm wrong, really; I still think Renault leaving is a clear sign that the international market is too varied for individual designs to do well in multiple markets. The US regulations that drove Renault out also brought in SUV's in a big way (though they were always here, just more market share now). And increasing regulations meant that, to accompany the horsepower war, you either had to market to whales (super/hypercars and eat the fine) or make giant bloated cars / SUVs to meet regulations (mustang / charger etc.). Then the tesla turned into a smartphone and every car designer thought that was what luxury was, and every automaker realized they could charge subscription services to use the car already paid for.
Modern regulations alongside modern car design has made it so a "lightweight" car is anything under 4000 lbs; "sufficient" horsepower starts at 400, minimum price is $40k, and the interior must be in 4k.
I just want a light manual car with a decent engine and some dials to tell me what's going on with the car. I'll take AC and radio, too. Give me an e30 M3 over anything made after the 360 modena. I'll take an RX-7 FD before I take an SU7 ultra. I'd pick an r32 over an r35 GTR any day. If I got my hands on a R5 turbo, well I'd probably die in about ten minutes because I'd lose all sense of reason, but I would be overjoyed. Modern cars really haven't done much to impress me since the Carrera GT, but I definitely lack the skill to drive that beast.
gt 1w ago
Dieselgate and originaly diesel engines should not command a premium
Isuzu truck is doing 140mph with 750hp vs taycan turbo s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2-dCsdgLRI
Cocobe 1w ago
Other: excessive regulations.
Cars becoming excessively heavy hybrids because on paper, they must. Cars having a million electronic nannies and "safety features" that are an absolute nuisance to live with are now mandated with so many cars.
these are some of the main reasons why people have been driven to go back and buy older cars that don't have these issues.
FastestLaps 1w ago
I voted for "disappearance of buttons". It signifies the broader degradation of car interiors.
07CorvetteZ51 1w ago
I agree. I have seen some of the new Panamera interiors with their touch screens, and I much prefer my button laden beautiful first generation interior with lots of leather, and walnut trim.
koenigseggjesko 1w ago
None should be an option.
FastestLaps 1w ago @koenigseggjesko
Nothing. But when I hear "SUV" I think of city crossovers... Real SUVs and offroaders are awesome and irreplaceable - no other type of car does what they do.
FastestLaps 1w ago @koenigseggjesko
Btw, those city crossover thingies are not bad cars. I just don't understand why is there this need for bulkier styling that somehow makes those compact cars look like (real) SUVs...
SixSeven 1w ago @koenigseggjesko
Ugly design, disconnected feeling from road, lots of weight, and consumerism. Especially sports SUVs, marketed as a one car solution just to be compromised pieces of shit. Barely any more trunk space than a sedan counterpart, much worse handling, much worse looks, and basically the only upside you get is a little more headroom.
koenigseggjesko 1w ago @FastestLaps
They are useless, this thing literally has more space in the interior than an Audi SQ5 https://fastestlaps.com/models/toyota-ractis
koenigseggjesko 1w ago @SixSeven
disconnected feeling from road
Bruh, that’s because they are meant for off-roading.
koenigseggjesko 1w ago @SixSeven
and basically the only upside you get is a little more headroom
AMERICAN SUVs
koenigseggjesko 1w ago @Lello75
This yaris
This
I was once here when it was raining, and many hatchbacks were driving normally on it.
jeremyclarkson1 1w ago @koenigseggjesko
also ik its quite low quality, but i dont care, cuz its mat watson.......
and we're watching carwow
Lello75 1w ago @koenigseggjesko
Does this look like something you'd gladly do every day in complete calmness? No, that's why people who do this need SUVs.
My point is that something like a Audi Q2 has no reason to exist and offroading is not an excuse because it cannot do this type of things without needing to replace all the bumpers right after.
Lello75 1w ago @koenigseggjesko
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRpnbrd6/
A Fiat Panda could have done this with ease, this proves that marketing these cars as "Off-Road" capable is at the same level of marketing the PS5 as "8K capable".
koenigseggjesko 1w ago @Yewnos100
I saw the A6 allroad for the first time a few days ago; it looks cool.
koenigseggjesko 1w ago @Lello75
capable is at the same level of marketing the PS5 as "8K capable."
Lol, idk why they did; i got my PS5 in 2022, and it still had 8K on its box. 😂
koenigseggjesko 1w ago @Lello75
Audi Q2 has no reason to exist, and off-roading is not an excuse because it cannot do this type of things without needing to replace all the bumpers right after.
Thats just a skill issue
RacerAsher 4d ago @koenigseggjesko
Most SUVs today are bland and generic. They look like big, tall blobs. There is virtually no difference between them. They honestly don't have a clear advantage over wagons or minivans. If I was in charge, the only SUVs we'd see would be either performance SUVs like the Urus and Cayenne, or cool 4x4s like the Wrangler and Bronco.
koenigseggjesko 4d ago @RacerAsher
If I was in charge, the only SUVs we'd see would be either performance SUVs like the Urus and Cayenne, or cool 4x4s like the Wrangler and Bronco.
No, that would be horrible, no Land Cruisers and Defenders?
Yewnos100 4d ago @Lello75
no issues against C-segment crossovers and smaller personally
higher ground clearance and plastic cladding that is less scary to scratch are advantages for me, as well as AWD, most hatches don't have this
road quality varies a lot over here, and you probably have an idea how horrid can the weather get at times from my carspotting posts :)
performance SUVs like the Urus and X5M are inherently stupid still
koenigseggjesko 4d ago @Yewnos100
The Urus is not stupid; the X5M is. The X5 M60i is already more than enough for an SUV.
RacerAsher 4d ago @koenigseggjesko
Well, those too. Land Cruisers and Defenders are awesome as well, and they would likewise remain.
