Ferrari F80 lap time at Vairano Pro

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Let them prove it by inviting Aston Martin / Koenigsegg / AMG / Praga / McLaren to Vairano.

Trump isn't rich

Trump isn't a pedo.

Seriously, they are not biased in data. Thats not even possible.

They have done multiple tests where Italian cars always overperformed, it's not even subtle

Their car tests in most cases deliver quicker figures.

I think in this case it's Ferrari who may have underestimated the F80. Since the hybrid era their claims seem to be pessimistic.

Their claims for Ferrari were 0.1 seconds off with the LaF. You're basically just agreeing with my statement.

The hybrid era started with the SF90.
LaF is an exception because it is the flagship.

Now you're just cherrypicking. "The LaF wasn't part of the hybrid car era" my brother in christ, the Holy Trinity STARTED the hybrid era. What the hell are you on about? The SF90 is a hypercar, the F80 is a hypercar. You're trying to belittle disagreers and try to twist your facts the way you want.

Yes, maybe the SF90 time was a lot faster than the Ferrari claimed, but once more that just shows how much faster on average 4oute times are. Which once more probes my point that 4route are only a half-credible source. If the 765LT can keep up, it certainly won't do 0-200 on 6.3 seconds. 6.7 yes, but nothing below. It's an arm length faster than an LaF, not a bus length

I meant ferrari's hybrid era.

Anyways lets say the LaF is an exception.
SF90 onwards the hybrid ferraris were faster than claimed.

296 for example

Looks like they got closer to this result this time. I know for a fact AB Sportscars is basically the German 4route when it comes to overperforming. Sport auto is mixed

I hope not

Mid car tbh

Did this in one lap btw.

With a team of engineers btw

Me when i dont actually read the magazine in question

It literally outpaced a 458 GT3 and a Dallara EXP ON SLICKS.

There is no guarantee the F80 was not on slicks, and if you dont know this already, hot laps tend to be faster than qualifying. Look at the Nürburgring, for example: GT3 cars end up running slow asf; the pole time this year was 8:11.

They have pictures of it and they themselfs said that they lapped those cars. Since when does GT3 race at Vairano?

Bruh, of course a team of engineers is going to fine-tune the car for a lap record. Literally every manufacturer does this. Have you seen the army of engineers mercedes brought to the Nürburgring for the One?
At least Ferrari made the car available to a magazine for independent testing, unlike Mercedes. We haven't seen a single independently conducted lap time for the AMG One. They wouldn't even dare hand it over to Sport Auto for a Hockenheimring test, because they know it probably wouldn't best the Senna's time by a decent margin in Christian Gebhardt's hands.
Even with a faster driver and significantly stickier tyres, we still haven't been given the complete onboard footage of the hockenheimring lap.🤷

Your calling this a "magazine lap"? Really? With the army of engineers?

factory "enhanced" magazine laptime.
and its a thing most magazines do.

Idk the driver.

So what? Literally nothing is stopping other manufacturers from fine-tuning their cars for magazine tests. McLaren also sent an entire team of engineers to compete against the 918 in EVO’s track battle. You’re acting as if other manufacturers don’t do the exact same thing, lol.

They generally dont lol. Its just Ferrari.

Presumably then it's just whichever Guido Ferrari hires as their test driver. Most magazines dont do it. It's really just Ferrari and their BS.

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Go ahead and watch any other car review ever. Almost none have a team of engineers.

Are you seriously that dense? I’ve literally given you two examples. In Top Gear’s- Valkyrie comparison with the AMG One, they didn’t even show the engineers fine-tuning the Valkyrie; it was the AMG One’s owner who revealed it, lol. And I’m pretty sure Aston Martin also brought an entire team of engineers for the Valkyrie’s hot lap on top gear track.
Again, I’m not complaining about any of this. It’s common practice among manufacturers

Word of mouth

Huh? You think the owner is lieing?

"My car lost, and i am now going to be the only one calling out supposed practises"

Whether they won or lost is a completely separate issue. Don’t divert the discussion. The main point is that Aston Martin brought an entire team of engineers for a magazine test.

According to one guy. Who lost said test

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You're taking the word of a man who has reason to lie at face value lol. If anyone is coping, it's you lmao.

Have you ever heard of the term "Ipse Dixit"?

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Yes. It's almost like that's what I'm saying that guy is doing.

I suppose we are now just blindly trusting randoms, so why dont we go add the 300 some mile an hour top speed for the Pagani Pearl. The owner was also clearly there when that thing "made 1300 hp and did a top speed of 300 mph"

You’re conveniently overlooking McLaren’s team of engineers during EVO’s P1 test,just forgot about the Valkyrie example , lack of evidence may be the issue for Valkyrie, not for the McLaren’s case tho. 🤷

He is the owner, Ipse Dixit. No higher autority.

No, owner is not a particularly high authority. Owner can skew the data, make car look better than it is.

Unlike manufacturers, owners have no legal responsibiliy for fake claims.

The owner’s statement still carries far more weight for me than the claims of some random guy on FastestLaps, especially considering that the owner was actually present at the testing venue. Lmao.

Whatever you say buddy. One year anniversary of your favorite take is coming up

You know what sure. We can just go along with unsubstantiated claims all day long. You must love devels

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Ah yes, a test from more then a decade ago id very relevant to what ferrari is doing currently, and then. You might remember how they also disallowed a track test between the trinity because they wanted all manufacturer backing, and mclaren wanted all customer cars. you might also remember how they cant bring much of there cars to Goodwood shootout because they do to much fettling

You’re diverting the discussion again. Like I said, you’re acting just like those casuals you find in every Ferrari review. When it comes to the Valkyrie, you refuse to trust someone who was actually present at the test site, yet when discussing McLaren, you dismiss the P1 example simply because the test was conducted a long time ago. Keep coping, lmao. I’m pretty sure McLaren will provide the W1 for magazine testing with a full team of engineers. Just be ready to eat your words. 😆

Did this in one lap btw.

So you're telling me they couldn't improve on their first flying lap despite having pits full of spare tires? 🤔

They didnt even try another, they explicitely said that the first hotlap was the quickest possible.

And how do you determine what the quickest possible lap is without attempting to improve?

1.63g (a lot)

Could you post the full telemetry of the lap please?
Thanks in advance!

Yes, give me a second to screenshot everything. It's in italian i have to say it.

Only the lap or the whole review?

There is an onboard video on Quattroruote's IG.

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Do you have telemetry data of gt3rs? i want to know the difference in cornering speeds between them

Dayum

No sorry. I could buy it tho.

Your choice 😁. I’m simply curious to see how the F80 compares to the GT3 RS through the corners. Considering the GT3 RS is the second-fastest car here, significantly quicker than the 1,000-hp SF90, it clearly suggests that this is a downforce-oriented circuit. Given that, the F80 managing to pull a 2.7-second lead is genuinely impressive.

Dayum

Oh yes. F80 is amazing.

I just like the rear; I don't like the side and front, though.

i like all of it.

IRL it looks like something from another world, totally different.

Spaceship.

Yeah, the cabin almost doesnt stick out it looks like a red alien slab

btw, if at 121 kmh F80 does 1.39 g and 1.63 at 194, that means between these speeds downforce rises for around 400 kg, which gives approximate downforce as 700 kg at 200 kmh (aligns quite well with official figures)

A comparison with GT3 RS telemetry is needed to validate this.

Sorry guys, i have to delete this.

Imagine

Now it proved itself

Diabolical

This is from @Yewnos100. I stole it