Calabogie Motorsports Park lap times

2018 Audi TTRS, STAGE 1+, stock suspension on 200tw Hankook RS4. 2:19.8
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07 Subaru sti
2.12.095
Nankang CRS 200tw
580hp

https://youtu.be/QSWdPl3ufoc
Here the new Record for Calabogie.

1:52.014 by Bruno Saint-Jacques in a radical.

So would Ford. Why do you think they BOUGHT the 675 and 458 Speciale in first place? To sandbag and make themselves "feel good" about how competition "looks slower" than their product?
Of course they ran those cars as hard as they could during their testing. Whether they published genuine laptimes or not - I think it would be pretty sad if they artifically added time to competition laptimes just for a better press release.
Maybe I am naive.

Just a little. They probably did run them hard, but that doesn't mean the times they published are legit times from when they were running them hard.

I disagree. I think manufacturers are to be regarded as "trusted sources". The same way as car magazines. If manufacturers can't be regarded as "trusted parties" than we cannot even publish things like engine power and torque...

Well it's kind of humorous you should mention power and torque. Some quoted power and torque figures are like 10% out and I can give examples if you like. The 570S springs to mind for instance.

Magazines are independent, manufacturers aren't, therefore they're less likely to be biased, although I do say 'less' likely. A manufacturer on the other hand has every incentive in the world to BS.

If the times are legit, no worries, independent testing will show the same thing right? So no need to include them.

Difference is the random privateer would very likely try his or her best to drive a time that makes his car proud.

So would Ford. Why do you think they BOUGHT the 675 and 458 Speciale in first place? To sandbag and make themselves "feel good" about how competition "looks slower" than their product?

Of course they ran those cars as hard as they could during their testing. Whether they published genuine laptimes or not - I think it would be pretty sad if they artifically added time to competition laptimes just for a better press release.

Maybe I am naive.

I disagree. I think manufacturers are to be regarded as "trusted sources". The same way as car magazines. If manufacturers can't be regarded as "trusted parties" than we cannot even publish things like engine power and torque...

Difference is the random privateer would very likely try his or her best to drive a time that makes his car proud.

Ford on the other hand have every incentive to drive 8 or 9 tenths.

Yes frankly. Like I said, get the opinions of a few other people on this. If you allow it now, pretty soon every manufacturer will be doing it.

Are Ferrari 458 and McLaren 675 laptimes that Ford has measured under their testing program and guarantee that were tested on street tyres with no performance-enhancing mods LESS credible than laptimes derived from some random onboard YouTube video a privateer?

How are those different and less trustworthy than laptimes for their own vehicles?

a) We insist that manufacturer's times should are backed up by video.

b) A manufacturer has a vested interest in making their car look faster for obvious reasons, and the driver is on their payroll and aside from that, they have way more experience in the vehicle of that manufacturer.

You can ask for BR2, saxy and manone to share their opinion on this too if you like. We rarely agree as you know, but on this I think we will.

How are those different and less trustworthy than laptimes for their own vehicles?

Are we really adding lap times claimed by manufacturers on vehicles that aren't made by them, with zero supporting evidence?