Laguna Seca (post 1988) lap times

Rank Vehicle Driver Time
1. Acura ARX-01b unknown 1:10.10
2. Porsche RS Spyder (Evo) unknown 1:10.35
3. Acura ARX-01a unknown 1:10.91
4. Audi R10 TDI unknown 1:11.17
5. Porsche RS Spyder unknown 1:14.03
6. Czinger 21C Joel Miller 1:25.45
7. McLaren Senna (P15) Randy Pobst 1:27.62
8. Unplugged Performance Model S Plaid Randy Pobst 1:28.20
9. Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991) Randy Pobst 1:28.30
10. Dodge Viper ACR (Mk V) Randy Pobst 1:28.65
11. McLaren 765LT Will Wattanawongkiri 1:29.23
12. McLaren 720S Randy Pobst 1:29.78
13. Porsche 918 Spyder Randy Pobst 1:29.89
14. Huracán Performante Randy Pobst 1:30.00
15. McLaren P1 Will Wattanawongkiri 1:30.12
16. McLaren P1 Randy Pobst 1:30.71
17. Gunther Werks Porsche 911 (993) Randy Pobst 1:30.99
18. Dodge Viper ACR (Mk V) unknown 1:31.58
19. Ferrari 488 GTB Randy Pobst 1:31.68
20. Modified Porsche 911 GT3 (991) Will Wattanawongkiri 1:32.01
21. Ferrari F8 Tributo unknown 1:32.27
22. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Randy Pobst 1:32.46
23. Lamborghini Huracán Evo unknown 1:32.85
24. Porsche 911 Turbo S (992) unknown 1:32.97
25. Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R unknown 1:33.01
26. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C7) Randy Pobst 1:33.05
27. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997) Jesse Menczer 1:33.10
28. Porsche 911 Turbo S Randy Pobst 1:33.21
29. Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991) unknown 1:33.29
30. Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991) Randy Pobst 1:33.29
31. SRT Viper TA Randy Pobst 1:33.62
32. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Randy Pobst 1:33.70
33. Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Randy Pobst 1:33.81
34. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR Chris Winkler 1:33.92
35. Modified Porsche 911 GT3 (991) Jim Hall II 1:34.14
36. SRT Viper GTS Randy Pobst 1:34.23
37. Audi R8 V10 Plus (Mk II) Randy Pobst 1:34.23
38. Camaro ZL1 1LE Package unknown 1:34.30
39. Corvette Z06 Z07 Package unknown 1:34.43
40. McLaren MP4-12C Randy Pobst 1:34.50
41. McLaren 570S unknown 1:34.58
42. SRT Viper Randy Pobst 1:34.63
43. McLaren 570GT unknown 1:34.87
44. Nissan GT-R Nismo (R35) unknown 1:35.01
45. SLS AMG Black Series Randy Pobst 1:35.03
46. Devon GTX unknown 1:35.07
47. McLaren 620R Will Wattanawongkiri 1:35.19
48. Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S unknown 1:35.30
49. Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 Randy Pobst 1:35.40
50. Nissan GT-R Nismo (R35) Randy Pobst 1:35.51
51. Porsche 911 Carrera S (992) Randy Pobst 1:35.52
52. Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997) Johannes van Overbee 1:35.56
53. Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S Randy Pobst 1:35.57
54. Porsche 911 Turbo S (991) Randy Pobst 1:35.62
55. Corvette Grand Sport Randy Pobst 1:35.62
56. Unplugged Performance Model 3 Craig Coker 1:35.70
57. Ford Shelby Mustang GT350R unknown 1:36.11
58. Porsche Cayman GT4 (718) unknown 1:36.14
59. Ferrari 458 Italia Randy Pobst 1:36.22
60. Mercedes-Benz AMG GT 63 S Randy Pobst 1:36.26
61. Nissan GT-R (R35 530 PS) unknown 1:36.35
62. Honda NSX (Mk II) unknown 1:36.36
63. Audi R8 GT (Mk I) unknown 1:36.39
64. Lexus LFA unknown 1:36.39
65. Porsche 911 Carrera S unknown 1:36.44
66. Nissan GT-R (R35 550 PS) Randy Pobst 1:36.63
67. Porsche 911 GT3 RS unknown 1:36.77
68. Ford Shelby Mustang GT350 Randy Pobst 1:36.83
69. Jaguar XE SV Project 8 Randy Pobst 1:36.96
70. Nissan GT-R (R35 570PS) unknown 1:37.08
71. Porsche Cayman GT4 (981) Randy Pobst 1:37.43
72. BMW M4 GTS unknown 1:37.66
73. Camaro SS 1LE Package unknown 1:37.78
74. Porsche 911 Turbo unknown 1:37.80
75. Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 Randy Pobst 1:37.82
76. Chevrolet Corvette Stingray unknown 1:37.83
77. Ferrari F12 Berlinetta Randy Pobst 1:38.04
78. Modified Honda Civic Type R (FK8) AnonymousGPS 1:38.24
79. Aston Martin DBS Superleggera Randy Pobst 1:38.27
80. Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Randy Pobst 1:38.28
81. Aston Martin Vantage (Mk II) unknown 1:38.42
82. Ford Mustang GT PP2 unknown 1:38.42
83. Cadillac CTS-V (Mk III) Randy Pobst 1:38.52
84. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI Plus Randy Pobst 1:38.70
85. Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Randy Pobst 1:38.70
86. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 unknown 1:38.70
87. Jaguar F-Type SVR unknown 1:38.75
88. Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG unknown 1:38.82
89. C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series Randy Pobst 1:38.90
90. Porsche 911 Carrera 4S (991) Randy Pobst 1:39.00
91. Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Randy Pobst 1:39.18
92. Porsche 911 Carrera S (991) Randy Pobst 1:39.30
93. BMW M850i (G15) Randy Pobst 1:39.40
94. Porsche 911 Carrera GTS Daniel Olmstead 1:39.50
95. Ford Mustang Boss 302 LS unknown 1:39.50
96. Porsche 911 GT3 (997) unknown 1:39.52
97. Cadillac ATS-V Coupe Randy Pobst 1:39.65
98. Alfa Romeo Giulia QV unknown 1:39.68
99. BMW M4 Randy Pobst 1:39.69
100. BMW M5 (F90) Randy Pobst 1:39.81
101. Tesla Model 3 Performance Will Wattanawongkiri 1:39.83
102. Porsche 911 Turbo (997) unknown 1:39.89
103. Audi TT RS Coupe (Mk III) Randy Pobst 1:39.95
104. Aston Martin DB11 unknown 1:40.05
105. Porsche 911 Turbo S unknown 1:40.11
106. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI (Mk I) unknown 1:40.20
107. Porsche Cayenne Coupé Turbo unknown 1:40.27
108. Modified Porsche Cayman (987 facelift) T.J. Mercier 1:40.44
109. Nissan GT-R (R35) unknown 1:40.45
110. Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG S Randy Pobst 1:40.50
111. BMW M6 (F13) Randy Pobst 1:40.52
112. Toyota Supra (Mk V 340 PS) Randy Pobst 1:40.57
113. Aston Martin AM 310 Vanquish Randy Pobst 1:40.71
114. Audi R8 4.2 FSI Quattro (Mk I) unknown 1:40.75
115. Jaguar F-Type V8 S Randy Pobst 1:40.81
116. BMW M2 Competition (F87) Randy Pobst 1:40.83
117. Lamborghini Urus Randy Pobst 1:40.90
118. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) unknown 1:40.90
119. Ford Mustang Boss 302 unknown 1:41.06
120. Bentley Continental GT V8 Randy Pobst 1:41.21
121. Porsche Cayman S (981) Randy Pobst 1:41.26
122. Porsche Cayman R (987) unknown 1:41.64
123. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S unknown 1:41.77
124. Jaguar F-Type R Coupe Randy Pobst 1:42.00
125. E 63 AMG S T-Modell Randy Pobst 1:42.39
126. Lotus Evora S unknown 1:42.49
127. Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye Randy Pobst 1:42.70
128. Jaguar XKR-S (550 PS) Randy Pobst 1:42.90
129. BMW M3 (E92) unknown 1:42.96
130. Audi RS5 (8T3 facelift) unknown 1:42.97
131. Ford Mustang Boss 302 LS Randy Pobst 1:43.00
132. Porsche Cayman S unknown 1:43.00
133. Aston Martin V12 Vantage unknown 1:43.04
134. Lexus RC F Randy Pobst 1:43.20
135. BMW 1 Series M Coupe unknown 1:43.31
136. Lexus LC 500 unknown 1:43.40
137. C 63 AMG Edition 507 unknown 1:43.45
138. C 63 AMG Coupe Edition 507 Randy Pobst 1:43.45
139. Alfa Romeo Stelvio QV unknown 1:43.50
140. Bentley Continental GT-3 R unknown 1:43.51
141. Bentley Continental GT-3 R Randy Pobst 1:43.51
142. Alfa Romeo 4C Randy Pobst 1:43.78
143. Cadillac CTS-V (Mk II) unknown 1:43.90
144. Honda Civic Type R (FK8) Randy Pobst 1:44.22
145. BMW i8 Randy Pobst 1:44.29
146. Shelby GT500 unknown 1:44.30
147. Shelby Cobra 427 S/C unknown 1:44.46
148. Shelby Cobra 427 S/C unknown 1:44.46
149. Shelby GT500 unknown 1:44.72
150. Shelby Mustang Cobra GT500KR unknown 1:44.72
151. Porsche 911 Carrera unknown 1:45.00
152. Jaguar XFR (Mk I) unknown 1:45.37
153. Chevrolet Camaro SS unknown 1:45.70
154. Lotus Exige 240R unknown 1:45.82
155. Toyota Supra RZ (Mk IV) Kurosawa Motoharu 1:45.87
156. BMW 135i Coupe (E82) unknown 1:46.00
157. VW Golf R (Mk VII US-Version) Randy Pobst 1:46.01
158. Kia Stinger GT unknown 1:46.16
159. Nissan Nismo 370Z unknown 1:46.50
160. Bentley Continental GT Speed Randy Pobst 1:46.60
161. Modified Mitsubishi Lancer GSR Evo X Lukas Polok 1:46.95
162. Subaru WRX STI Randy Pobst 1:47.16
163. Porsche Cayman S (987) unknown 1:47.58
164. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X MR unknown 1:47.71
165. Chevrolet Cobalt SS/TC unknown 1:47.75
166. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX unknown 1:47.93
167. Mazda MX-5 2.0 (Mk IV 184 PS) unknown 1:48.47
168. Tesla Model S P85 Aaron Bailey 1:48.92
169. BMW 335i Coupe unknown 1:49.04
170. Ford Focus ST Randy Pobst 1:49.30
171. Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) unknown 1:50.00
172. VW Golf GTI (Mk VII 220 PS) Randy Pobst 1:50.11
173. Mazda 3 MPS unknown 1:50.37
174. Mazda RX-8 unknown 1:50.42
175. Mazda MX-5 2.0 (Mk IV) Randy Pobst 1:50.68
176. Honda S2000 (AP1) unknown 1:50.74
177. BMW Z3 3.0i Dustin Crawford 1:50.80
178. Ford Fiesta ST Randy Pobst 1:51.25
179. Subaru BRZ Randy Pobst 1:51.30
180. Mini Cooper S Works GP Kit unknown 1:51.73
181. Porsche 911 Carrera (997) Neil Chirico 1:51.80
182. Mini Cooper S (Mk II) unknown 1:51.98
183. Aston Martin V8 Vantage Neil Chirico 1:52.20
184. Mazda MX-5 Grand Touring unknown 1:52.20
185. Porsche Boxster (986 220 PS) Matthew Howard 1:53.00
186. Cadillac CTS-V (MK I) AnonymousGPS 1:53.00
187. Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Steve Millen 1:53.73 w
188. Porsche 911 Carrera Steve Millen 1:54.22 w
189. Honda NSX-R (facelift) Steve Millen 1:54.74 w
190. Honda Civic SI unknown 1:54.99
191. Honda NSX (facelift) Jeremy Clarkson 1:57.00
192. Porsche Boxster S (981) Ray Chu 1:59.01
193. Chevrolet Camaro Z28 unknown 2:05.80
194. Ford Mustang GT unknown 2:09.90
195. Kia Soul Sport 2.0 Ryan Douthit 2:12.67
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Laguna Seca (post 1988)

Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca is a paved road racing track used for both auto racing and motorcycle racing, originally constructed in 1957 near Monterey, California, USA. The current racetrack is 2.238 miles in length (3.602 kilometers), has eleven turns, including the famous "Corkscrew" at Turns 8 and 8A, and a 300 foot (91 m) elevation change. A variety of racing, exhibition and entertainment events are held at the raceway, ranging from superkarts to American Le Mans racing to music festivals.

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Country United States
Track length 3.60 km / 2.24 miles
Track record 1:10.1 (Acura ARX-01b)
Production record 1:25.4 (Czinger 21C)
Front-drive record 1:38.2 (Civic Type R)
4-door sedan record 1:36.3 (AMG GT 63 S)
Convertible record 1:29.9 (918 Spyder)
Top speed 249 kph (155 mph) (McLaren P1)
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Dan  4m ago

If you filter out non road legal that silly Unplugged Performance time still shows up, even though that thing had racing slicks, stripped interior, etc.

I know tesla fanboys like lying but come on now, don't kill the credibility of this site.

 

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Zee  1w ago

Agreed, it was fully race prepped for pikes peak hill climb. Not even remotely similar to what the actual tesla model s plaid buyer would be getting lol.


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ChironSS  4m ago

Why hasn't the new lap record been updated? The Tesla that was heavily modified was? OO @fastestlaps

 

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SpeedKing  4m ago

Maybe because it hasn't been released as yet so it's not officially a production car?


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ChironSS  4m ago @SpeedKing

They did in July. They presented the production car. It's been heavily updated. There's a silver production car. I mean SSC only have one. :)


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Zee  1w ago @SpeedKing

that car will never be released as production, because it was way too far removed from it.


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ChironSS  1w ago @Zee

What are you talking about? What was too far removed from what and how specifically? And what do you know about production cycles of a 2023 year release car or the make up of it's technical specifications?


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Lambolover  4m ago

 


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ChironSS  4m ago

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/czinger-21c-hypercar-smashes-lap-record-laguna-seca

Quote>"The 1233bhp hyper-hybrid was sent around the 2.24-mile course, with professional racer Joel Millar at the wheel, in just 1min 25.44secs, far outpacing the previous record of 1min 27.62secs set by the McLaren Senna in 2019. Conditions were described as "ideal" and the car used road-legal Michelin Pilot Sport Cup2R tyres."

That's ****ing impressive! OO


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ChironSS  4m ago

CZINGER 21C BREAKS LAGUNA SECA LAP RECORD OUTRIGHT! Incredibly impressive! Now do that 0-400-0km/h in the HEAVILY REVISED CAR! Oo


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ChironSS  4m ago

 


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Kondome  4m ago

Randy POS knows how to drive fast in Electric American and Muscle cars.

He should quit and go find himself a nursing home.

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Ro Z  4m ago

Plaid just beat the GT2 RS time at 1:28.2 making it the second fastest lap for production cars

 

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SpeedKing  4m ago

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sroser  4m ago @SpeedKing

Yeah, really.

https://germancarforum.com/attachments/2631093082914173673-jpg.559027/

Doesn't look quite stock though.


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SpeedKing  4m ago @sroser

I'm not a member nor do i want to become one so i can't see it...


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Aaron  4m ago

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Aaron  4m ago

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA... wake me up when a street spec (with back seats, street legal tires, and street spec aero) beats 1:33.


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Aaron  4m ago @sroser

Holy shit man! that's a full on racecar, not a streetcar worthy of mention.


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Cocobe  4m ago

dude, that was the pike peaks race car? lmao, "production car"
Might as well say the Peugeot Pikes peak 208 16T is the fastest production peugeot hatchback then.


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Aaron  4m ago @SpeedKing

here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CSDwNpgsYoN/
I don't think you need to sign up for this one.
list of upgrades:
Bilstein suspension,
insane aero,
carbon buckets with harness (driver only. all other seats are deleted completely),
race oriented brake system,
slicks,
interior delete
anti-roll bar


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Corvolet3  4m ago

That big ass spoiler already tells the joke. Nowhere near stock.


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FastestLaps  4m ago @Corvolet3

That's the biggest splitter on a sedan I have ever seen.


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SpeedKing  4m ago @Aaron

WTF lol Randy Pobst said "This car is not far at all from the stock street car"

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SpeedKing  4m ago @FastestLaps

Have you seen the size of the rear wing and that's on a 4 door sedan lol??


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196ss  4m ago @SpeedKing

I wonder what laptime could achieve powerful petrol sedan like M5 CS or Jag Project 8 with such a mods. About 1:20 maybe?


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SpeedKing  4m ago @196ss

Nah they would need shitloads more hp just to try and match the Plaid time. The Plaid's instant rapid speed and traction out of corners is primarily why it would be faster at Laguna Seca. It probably also weighs 1900kg given it's been gutted...


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196ss  4m ago @SpeedKing

Pretty sure that M5 with 700 hp, 200-300 kg weight reduction, racing suspension, slicks and such an aggressive aero would be potentially faster than road legal Senna and faster by much.
Anyway, Tesla can't use all it's power for a long time.


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SpeedKing  4m ago @196ss

The M5 CS already has 700 peak hp from the factory and that's a fact. No chance it will beat the Senna with those mods and I'll put 10K on that. Now all we need to do is to get someone to modify the M5 so that i can win 10K lol


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196ss  4m ago @SpeedKing

Modifications of this Tesla are so dip that it is comparable with M8 GTE.
I know GTE has very little common with road going M8, but power/weight ratio with gutted M5 would be close.

https://www.sportscarracingnews.com/2019/09/15/imsa-laguna-seca-qualifying-round-up-2/amp/


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SpeedKing  4m ago @196ss

Yeah but hang on a minute the M8 GTE weighs 1250kg with driver and is a full blown race car. The BMW M5 CS is a production car and even with the numerous mods you mentioned would be nowhere near that fast. My statement still stands and you'll need to do far better than that to prove me wrong :)


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196ss  4m ago @SpeedKing

I believe stock for stock Tesla Plaid has zero chanses on tracks against M5 CS. With similar modifications the gap probably would be less, but still BMW should win comfortably.
If you can argumentatively prove me wrong I'll give you 10K.

By the way, GT2 RS has 700 hp, ~1500 kg, less aggressive aero and is only barely slower. On slicks, GT2 RS would definitely be faster than this "near stock " Tesla, so no shitloads of power needed.


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SpeedKing  4m ago @196ss

I haven't even mentioned the GT2RS which of course is going to be shitloads faster than a stock Plaid on track. I always default to the Nurb because it's the ultimate testing ground and this year Gebhardt did 7:29 in a M5 CS which is a reasonably fast lap. We know that a Plaid did an unofficial lap of 7:13 in 2019. My guess is that a stock Plaid with presumably full power ie.1200+hp on Cup2R's would be even faster so i'll take the 10K thanks lol BTW it isn't easy for me acknowledge that the Plaid will be faster given how much i detest Musk and i'm not a fan of EV's by any stretch of the imagination...


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196ss  4m ago @SpeedKing

Oh sure, 7:13...
In the specification like at Laguna Seca?
And if you want to compare Sport Auto laptimes, let's wait for Gebhardt's laptime in the Plaid, right?
I didn't thought that you are so naive to believe in a fairytales.


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SpeedKing  4m ago @196ss

This was the car that apparently did 7:13 which was apparently on Cup2R's. However they had 2 cars there back in 2019 so perhaps the less radical version was the one that did 7:20's according to peeps who were there using stopwatches. Anyway let's wait and see because a lap record attempt isn't far off and then we can make a more accurate judgement.

https://insideevs.com/news/380247/tesla-model-s-plaid-beat-taycan/

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196ss  4m ago @SpeedKing

So, and then you are still ready to put your money on Plaid stock for stock?
Take a note, that in Sport Auto test M5CS was on Corsas, so in a factory attempt with Cup 2R tires it could probably get close to 7:13, while for Tesla to achieve that time intensive tuning of aero, brakes and suspension was required.


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SpeedKing  4m ago @196ss

You have overestimated the potential of the M5 CS using Cup2R's and factory driver because the best it could get would be approx 7:20. The biggest advantage the Plaid has is its phenomenal acceleration out of corners that the CS cannot match so even if the Plaid loses out a little with braking or corner speed the M5 cannot make up the deficit. You've got to also bear in mind that even though the Nurb has shitloads of corners it's also one the fastest tracks on the planet so i repeat the Plaid will be faster and my money is still on the table :P


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196ss  4m ago @SpeedKing

Ok)


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Aaron  4m ago @SpeedKing

Good point you make. you or @196ss did say stock v stock, so no cup 2s or cup2Rs for the m5cs. also, no wing or other fancy trickery for the plaid. comparing the specs:
power and torque
Plaid: 1050hp ± (official, 1020) and 1050lb-ft± (official)
M5cs: 700hp ± (official, 627) and 570lb-ft± (official, 553lb-ft)
weight
Plaid: 5000lbs ± with diver (official, 4833)
M5cs: 4200lbs ± with driver ( official, 4023)
tires
plaid: 245/265 f/r (Michelin pilot sport 4s)
M5cs: 275/285 f/r (Pirelli P zero corsa)

Verdict: the M5cs would be quicker entering and around corners but the plaid has the advantage leaving corners and on straightaways. it'll be interesting to see how these play out when more track times come out and Eel On Musk decides to actually put out performance figures and track times of the real car that customers are getting. I think however that the plaid + would beat the M5.


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SpeedKing  4m ago @Aaron

On the same rubber the Plaid will be faster. Their 1:30.3 lap at Laguna Seca was on Cup2R's and the faster time was on Yokohama slicks so the Plaid will beat the CS until it starts to runs out of battery after 3 laps or so at the Nurb or it possibly overheats and slows?


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196ss  4m ago @SpeedKing

Tesla which made 1:30 was far from stock either.


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SpeedKing  4m ago @196ss

Yep 100% nowhere near stock, it had significant mods...


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196ss  3m ago @SpeedKing

Ok.
Tesla set a record of 7:30,909 on the Nordschleife Full, this will be approximately 7:26 for the 20600 m configuration.
This is faster than I expected, but since it is the factory time, and 7:29 for the M5 CS is the Sport Auto time, I still believe that BMW is faster on the track. The difference between the factory lap times and Sport Auto is usually about 10 seconds.
Let's wait for more tests.

https://insideevs.com/news/532116/tesla-models-plaid-record-nurburgring/amp/


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SpeedKing  3m ago @196ss

I presume they were using Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tyres which are pretty much on par with the Pirelli PZero Corsas on the M5 CS. I'd say that the Plaid will beat the M5 CS on fast tracks like Spa, Monza,Paul Ricard etc whereas it'll be closer on slower tracks.


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196ss  3m ago @SpeedKing

Well, last time I checked, Nordschleife is also a fast track, and it doesn't look like Plaid had a big advantage there.
Most likely the Plaid will be faster in corner exits and on the straights. But, let's not forget that the top speed of the Plaid is now only 163 mph, while the M5 CS can accelerate further up to 190 and partially compensate the gaps. In addition, the M5 will have a gain in time on the braking zones.


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SpeedKing  3m ago @196ss

I believe the speed limitation is only a temporary measure so on that basis it could've potentially been 3 sec faster at the Nurb if the limiter was removed given that there's two sections where the additional speed could be utilised.


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196ss  1w ago @SpeedKing

I think we can sum up the preliminary results.

Nordschleife:
M5 CS - 7:29.57 (driver journalist Gebhardt)
Plaid - 7:30,91 (factory driver Simonsen)
The results are close, but you have to consider the difference in the level of the factory and Sport Auto tests. The BMW is obviously faster here.

Dunville:
M5 CS - 1:10.02
Plaid - 1:12.50.
Nonprofessional driver Tom Holland. The comparison is on a level playing field, the BMW is faster.

Willow Springs:
M5 CC - 1:28.76
Plaid - 1:27.78.
Driver Pro Randy Pobst. Level playing field comparison, Tesla is faster.

Bottom line, the main problem for the Tesla is braking. Without carbon-ceramic and wider rubber, the Tesla has a hard time showing anything intelligible on the track. I think the fairly good times at Willow Springs are due to the fact that there are only 2 more or less hard braking points at that track. Also, on longer tracks, the inability to run the battery at maximum power for long periods of time also becomes noticeable.
In general, on short tracks with limited use of the brakes, the Plaid is faster. On long tracks with an abundance of hard braking zones the fastest is BMW.
I suggest a draw.


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SpeedKing  1w ago @196ss

Ok, given that i don't give a shit about the Plaid agreed :)


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ChironSS  6d ago @SpeedKing

I think the Cybertruck will be more your thing, being a "ute" and all! And whilst you may not care of the Plaid, it's performance can not be denied. Not speaking about you, but if that were an AMG E class the whole World would be going nuts!

You've only to look at Porsche Taycan sales vs "traditional" 911 sales to see, it already has! ;)


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196ss  6d ago @SpeedKing

If you don't care, why bothered argue?

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Corvolet3  6d ago @196ss

Tom Holland? THAT Tom Holland? He doesn't even know how to turn on the lights on an Audi TT.

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SpeedKing  6d ago @196ss

Intellectual exercise :)


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SpeedKing  6d ago @ChironSS

Nah i can't stand Musk and his attitude so i will never own nor want to own a Tesla...


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ChironSS  6d ago @SpeedKing

Yeah I've read things about what he's said and stated! Goes over your head! But that's what everyone says before they try it! LOL! Anyway a 1000hp BMW M5 EV is rumoured! I'll wait for that even if I'm more a Benz man!

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Boah Hancock  4m ago

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Slow Driver  6m ago

Will Wattanawongkiri just beat his best time in his modified GT3 with a 1:31.84 https://youtu.be/NKr-t_yMitQ


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Evol  7m ago

Congrats Tesla! Who else can break 1:30 with a roomy four door family sedan that gets 100 MPGe? Most cars that can do that (and there's precious few) are lucky to get 15 MPG.

Maybe the Porsche Taycan? Ooops, not roomy, not a family sedan and way too slow!


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ElonsDoge  7m ago

TESLA Model S just lapped 1:29.xx


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Braziliancarguy  8m ago

remember when the "plaid model s" with full slicks no seats and a huge wing didnt even beat a performante



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sroser  8m ago

765LT - 1:27.904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maprv1IXDHo


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FastestLaps  10m ago

This is price vs Laguna Seca performance plot created by @ilias.

As you can see, there is almost pure nonlinear function in how price explodes higher as you squeeze out last seconds from the Laguna Seca lap time.

Good example of "diminishing returns" law, which we see almost in any kind of product or service - the most specialist, most well made or very best performing product will sometimes cost multiples more than nearest rival, even if value difference is negligable.

For cars there are other strong factors that affect price - for example, Porsche 911 GT2 RS has very high collector appeal and you have to pay huge exclusivity premium on top of what you would expect to pay for the high performance.

Given enough market liquidity, there really is no such thing as "overpriced car". Prices are function of demand and availability.

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ilias  10m ago

did you ever wonder, what sports cars are worth their price? I have.
so here I present to you all cars available for sale in 2020, that raced on laguna seca, and whether they deserve their price tag or not.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WsjrKhQbXBZ9vlKehv81CnXk-6bZUYGU/view?usp=sharing

enjoy!


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Lambolover  1y ago

Huayra BC did 1:28.5 with Randy himself driving

 


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Corvolet3  1y ago

The 911 GT3 RS at #24 is a duplicate.


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Corvolet3  1y ago

 


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Corvette412  1y ago

C8 Corvette Hot Lap by Motor Trend and professional driver Randy Pobst
1:37.83

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2020/2020-chevrolet-corvette-pros-cons-review-best-drivers-car-video/

 

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Ron  1w ago

And that was on non-racing street tires


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Garfield  1y ago

Sorry, I meant to type Randy Pobst.


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Garfield  1y ago

How do you add a new fastest lap? Most of Rany Pobpt records at Laguna Seca have been beat.


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Marek Valik  1y ago

Adding more info about Tesla Model S Plaid. Time 1:30,3.
Lap footage already on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxFIsp7omrM


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Mike Tanner  1y ago

2022 Tesla Model S Plaid - 13.3s (unverified)

announced 22 Sept 2020 https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34115854/tesla-model-s-plaid-1100-hp-pre-order/


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fastestlapsfan  2y ago

This guy got a 1:30.67 in a 2012 McLaren MP4-12C still on street tires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa7gQGTw4E0&t=819s


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jessenguyen  2y ago

The list also lists unknown for the driver for number 27 on the list. Please see the video for Randy Pobst's lap time for the Camaro ZL1 1LE at the Laguna Seca track at 1:34.30.

 


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jessenguyen  2y ago

The list says unknown for the driver for number 28 on the list. Randy Pobst ran a 2012 Corvette C6 Z06 with Z07 package ran the Laguna Seca track at 1:34.43. You can tell it is a Z06 with a Z07 package because of the aero and also because the Centinnial editions were all equipped with Z07 packages

 



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Marcus  2y ago

Same day same tires in another GTP.. Chet Fillip ran 1:41.840.

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