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Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times
|Rank||Vehicle||Driver||Time||PS / KG|
|1.||Porsche 911 GT2 RS Manthey Racing||Lars Kern||6:40.33||- / -|
|2.||AMG GT Black Series||Maro Engel||6:43.62||730 / 1633|
|3.||Lamborghini Aventador SVJ||Marco Mapelli||6:44.97||770 / 1718|
|4.||Radical SR8LM||Michael Vergers||6:48.00||455 / 650|
|5.||Huracán Performante||Marco Mapelli||6:52.01||640 / 1556|
|6.||Porsche 911 GT3 RS Manthey Racing||Kevin Estre||6:54.34||- / -|
|7.||Radical SR8||Michael Vergers||6:55.00||363 / 650|
|8.||Porsche 911 GT3 (992)||Lars Kern||6:55.34||510 / 1427|
|9.||Porsche 918 Spyder||Marc Lieb||6:57.00||887 / 1654|
|10.||Modified Subaru WRX STI||unknown||6:57.50||- / -|
|11.||Aventador LP750-4 SV||unknown||6:59.73||750 / 1699|
|12.||Ferrari 488 Pista||Christian Gebhardt||7:00.03||720 / 1476|
|13.||Dodge Viper ACR (Mk V)||Lance Arnold||7:01.30||654 / 1536|
|14.||Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro||Maro Engel||7:04.63||585 / 1637|
|15.||Porsche 911 GT3 (992)||Christian Gebhardt||7:04.74||510 / 1427|
|16.||Nio EP9||unknown||7:05.12||1360 / 1735|
|17.||Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro||Christian Gebhardt||7:07.00||585 / 1637|
|18.||McLaren 720S||Christian Gebhardt||7:08.00||720 / 1429|
|19.||Nissan GT-R Nismo (R35)||Michael Krumm||7:08.68||600 / 1745|
|20.||McLaren 600LT||Christian Gebhardt||7:08.82||600 / 1404|
|21.||Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R||Christian Gebhardt||7:10.92||585 / 1637|
|22.||Gumpert Apollo Sport||Florian Gruber||7:11.57||700 / 1200|
|23.||Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR||Dominik Farnbacher||7:12.13||608 / 1536|
|24.||Porsche 911 GT3||unknown||7:12.70||500 / 1469|
|25.||Porsche 918 Spyder||Horst von Saurma||7:13.00||887 / 1654|
|26.||Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C7)||Christian Gebhardt||7:13.90||659 / 1608|
|27.||McLaren 720S||unknown||7:14.00||720 / 1429|
|28.||Lexus LFA Nurburgring Package||Akira Iida||7:14.64||570 / 1509|
|29.||Donkervoort D8 RS||Michael Duechting||7:14.89||350 / 600|
|30.||Camaro ZL1 1LE Package||unknown||7:16.04||659 / 1747|
|31.||Porsche 911 Turbo S (992)||Christian Gebhardt||7:17.00||650 / 1653|
|32.||Porsche 911 Turbo S||Christian Gebhardt||7:17.11||580 / 1603|
|33.||Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997)||Timo Kluck||7:18.00||620 / 1383|
|34.||Jaguar XE SV Project 8||unknown||7:18.36||600 / 1794|
|35.||Radical SR3 Turbo||Phil Bennett||7:19.00||320 / 500|
|36.||Nissan GT-R (R35 550 PS)||Toshio Suzuki||7:19.10||550 / 1736|
|37.||Chevrolet Corvette ZR1||Jim Mero||7:19.63||647 / 1529|
|38.||Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991)||unknown||7:20.00||500 / 1466|
|39.||Ferrari 488 GTB||unknown||7:21.00||670 / 1545|
|40.||Ferrari 488 GTB||Christian Gebhardt||7:21.63||670 / 1545|
|41.||Corvette Z06 Z07 Package||Jim Mero||7:22.68||512 / 1394|
|42.||Mercedes-Benz AMG GT 63 S||Demian Schaffert||7:23.01||639 / 2114|
|43.||Porsche 911 Carrera GTS||Christian Gebhardt||7:23.77||450 / 1515|
|44.||Gumpert Apollo Sport||unknown||7:24.00||700 / 1200|
|45.||Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997)||Horst von Saurma||7:24.00||620 / 1383|
|46.||Nissan GT-R (R35 530 PS)||Toshio Suzuki||7:24.22||530 / 1736|
|47.||Maserati MC12||Marc Basseng||7:24.29||632 / 1335|
|48.||Pagani Zonda F Clubsport||Marc Basseng||7:24.65||650 / 1230|
|49.||KTM X-Bow R||Christopher Haase||7:25.00||304 / 862|
|50.||Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4||Horst von Saurma||7:25.00||700 / 1721|
|51.||Porsche 911 GT3 (991)||Timo Kluck||7:25.00||476 / 1442|
|52.||Porsche Panamera Turbo S||Lars Kern||7:25.04||630 / 2119|
|53.||Ferrari Enzo||Marc Basseng||7:25.21||660 / 1422|
|54.||SLS AMG Black Series||Markus Hofbauer||7:25.67||631 / 1640|
|55.||KTM X-BOW RR||unknown||7:25.72||365 / 810|
|56.||Porsche 911 Turbo S (991)||unknown||7:26.00||560 / 1592|
|57.||Nissan GT-R (R35)||Toshio Suzuki||7:26.70||480 / 1740|
|58.||Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997)||unknown||7:27.00||500 / 1360|
|59.||Ferrari 812 Superfast||Christian Gebhardt||7:27.48||800 / 1731|
|60.||BMW M4 GTS||unknown||7:27.88||500 / 1600|
|61.||Lamborghini Huracan LP 610-4||Christian Gebhardt||7:28.00||610 / 1547|
|62.||McLaren MP4-12C||Horst von Saurma||7:28.00||600 / 1456|
|63.||Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991)||Christian Gebhardt||7:28.00||500 / 1466|
|64.||Porsche Carrera GT||Marc Basseng||7:28.71||612 / 1404|
|65.||Porsche 911 Turbo (991)||unknown||7:29.00||520 / 1595|
|66.||Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 (Mk VI)||unknown||7:29.60||659 / 1771|
|67.||Chevrolet Corvette Stingray||Oliver Gavin||7:29.90||502 / 1645|
|68.||Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT||unknown||7:30.00||591 / 1663|
|69.||Porsche 911 Carrera S (992)||Christian Gebhardt||7:30.00||450 / 1554|
|70.||Porsche 911 GT2 (997)||Walter Rohrl||7:31.00||530 / 1462|
|71.||Porsche 911 Turbo S||Walter Rohrl||7:32.00||530 / 1609|
|72.||Audi R8 V10 Plus (Mk II)||unknown||7:32.00||610 / 1629|
|73.||Alfa Romeo Giulia QV||Fabio Francia||7:32.00||510 / 1705|
|74.||Porsche Cayman GT4 (718)||Christian Gebhardt||7:32.00||420 / 1448|
|75.||Porsche 911 GT3 (991)||unknown||7:32.20||476 / 1442|
|76.||BMW M8 Competition (G15)||Christian Gebhardt||7:32.79||625 / 1893|
|77.||Pagani Zonda F||unknown||7:33.00||602 / 1371|
|78.||Porsche 911 GT3 RS||unknown||7:33.00||450 / 1400|
|79.||Ferrari F12 Berlinetta||Horst von Saurma||7:33.00||740 / 1774|
|80.||Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S||Markus Hofbauer||7:33.04||510 / 1660|
|81.||Koenigsegg CCX||Marc Basseng||7:33.55||806 / 1456|
|82.||Audi R8 GT (Mk I)||Horst von Saurma||7:34.00||560 / 1550|
|83.||Koenigsegg CCR||unknown||7:34.00||806 / 1394|
|84.||Porsche 911 Carrera S||Christian Gebhardt||7:34.00||420 / 1487|
|85.||Porsche 911 Turbo S (991)||Horst von Saurma||7:34.00||560 / 1592|
|86.||Nissan GT-R Spec-V (R35)||unknown||7:34.46||492 / 1680|
|87.||RUF RT12||unknown||7:35.00||650 / 1573|
|88.||McLaren 650 S Spider||unknown||7:35.00||650 / 1477|
|89.||Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S||unknown||7:35.00||510 / 1660|
|90.||Honda NSX (Mk II)||Christian Gebhardt||7:36.00||581 / 1771|
|91.||BMW M5 Competition (F90)||Christian Gebhardt||7:36.00||626 / 1898|
|92.||Chevrolet Camaro Z/28||unknown||7:37.47||507 / 1702|
|93.||Porsche 911 Carrera S (991)||Timo Kluck||7:37.90||400 / 1415|
|94.||Lexus LFA||unknown||7:38.00||560 / 1611|
|95.||Porsche Panamera Turbo (Mk II)||unknown||7:38.00||550 / 2083|
|96.||Ferrari 458 Italia||unknown||7:38.00||570 / 1516|
|97.||McLaren Mercedes SLR 722||unknown||7:38.00||650 / 1724|
|98.||Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera||Horst von Saurma||7:38.00||570 / 1463|
|99.||Porsche 911 Turbo (997)||unknown||7:38.00||480 / 1640|
|100.||BMW M5 (F90)||unknown||7:38.92||600 / 1926|
|101.||Ferrari 430 Scuderia||unknown||7:39.00||510 / 1402|
|102.||Alfa Romeo Giulia QV||unknown||7:39.00||510 / 1705|
|103.||Porsche 911 Turbo||unknown||7:39.00||500 / 1595|
|104.||Ford Mustang Shelby GT500||unknown||7:39.28||659 / 1750|
|105.||Lamborghini Murcielago LP640||unknown||7:40.00||640 / 1805|
|106.||McLaren Mercedes SLR||Klaus Ludwig||7:40.00||626 / 1731|
|107.||Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG||Horst Von Saurma||7:40.00||571 / 1677|
|108.||Porsche 911 GT3||Walter Rohrl||7:40.00||435 / 1401|
|109.||Renault Megane RS Trophy R||Laurent Hurgon||7:40.10||300 / 1314|
|110.||Chevrolet Camaro ZL1||Mark Reuss||7:41.27||588 / 1838|
|111.||Porsche Cayman GT4 (981)||Christian Gebhardt||7:42.00||385 / 1340|
|112.||Porsche 911 GT3 (997)||Walter Rohrl||7:42.00||415 / 1418|
|113.||Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997)||unknown||7:42.00||415 / 1375|
|114.||Murcielago LP 670-4 SV||Horst von Saurma||7:42.00||670 / 1664|
|115.||Audi RS Q8||Frank Stippler||7:42.25||600 / 2400|
|116.||Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6)||Jan Magnussen||7:42.90||512 / 1437|
|117.||BMW M2 CS (F87)||Christian Gebhardt||7:42.99||450 / 1580|
|118.||Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996)||Walter Rohrl||7:43.00||381 / 1360|
|119.||Aston Martin Vantage (Mk II)||unknown||7:43.92||510 / 1713|
|120.||Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG S Coupe||Christian Gebhardt||7:44.00||510 / 1815|
|121.||Pagani Zonda C12 S||unknown||7:44.00||555 / 1250|
|122.||Porsche 911 Turbo S||Horst Von Saurma||7:44.00||530 / 1609|
|123.||Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI (Mk I)||unknown||7:44.00||525 / 1667|
|124.||Gardner Douglas GD T70 Spyder||Dario Margutti||7:45.00||710 / 900|
|125.||Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI Plus||Horst von Saurma||7:45.00||550 / 1622|
|126.||E 63 AMG S 4Matic+ T||unknown||7:45.00||612 / 2098|
|127.||CLK 63 Black Series||Berndt Schneider||7:45.00||507 / 1745|
|128.||Gallardo Superleggera||unknown||7:46.00||530 / 1520|
|129.||Porsche 911 GT2 (996)||unknown||7:46.00||462 / 1442|
|130.||C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series||unknown||7:46.00||517 / 1748|
|131.||Jaguar XJ220||John Nielsen||7:46.37||549 / 1513|
|132.||Porsche 718 Cayman S||Christian Gebhardt||7:47.00||350 / 1421|
|133.||Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano||unknown||7:47.00||620 / 1771|
|134.||Wiesmann GT MF5||unknown||7:47.00||507 / 1380|
|135.||Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996)||unknown||7:47.00||381 / 1360|
|136.||BMW M3 GTS||unknown||7:48.00||450 / 1542|
|137.||Audi TT RS Coupe (Mk III)||Christian Gebhardt||7:48.00||400 / 1483|
|138.||Lotus Exige Cup 380 (Mk III)||unknown||7:48.13||381 / 1109|
|139.||Mercedes - AMG A45 S (W177)||Christian Gebhardt||7:48.80||421 / 1628|
|140.||Alpina B3 GT3||unknown||7:49.00||408 / 1535|
|141.||Porsche Boxster Spyder (981)||unknown||7:49.00||375 / 1315|
|142.||VW Golf GTI Clubsport S||unknown||7:49.21||310 / 1314|
|143.||Mercedes-Benz GLC 63 AMG S||Markus Hofbauer||7:49.30||510 / 2012|
|144.||RUF CTR2||Dave Beddor||7:49.56||520 / 1422|
|145.||Aston Martin Vantage GT8||Christian Gebhardt||7:50.00||446 / 1541|
|146.||Lamborghini Murcielago||unknown||7:50.00||580 / 1800|
|147.||Porsche 911 Carrera S||unknown||7:50.00||385 / 1420|
|148.||BMW M3 CSL (E46)||Horst von Saurma||7:50.00||360 / 1403|
|149.||SLS AMG Coupe Electric Drive||Markus Hofbauer||7:50.23||751 / 2095|
|150.||Jaguar XKR-S (550 PS)||unknown||7:51.00||551 / 1843|
|151.||VW Golf R (Mk VIII)||unknown||7:51.00||320 / 1516|
|152.||SL65 AMG Black Series||unknown||7:51.00||670 / 1892|
|153.||Alfa Romeo Stelvio QV||Fabio Francia||7:51.70||510 / 1919|
|154.||Lamborghini Gallardo||unknown||7:52.00||500 / 1613|
|155.||BMW M4||Horst von Saurma||7:52.00||431 / 1582|
|156.||Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4||unknown||7:52.00||560 / 1546|
|157.||Ford GT (Mk I)||unknown||7:52.00||550 / 1538|
|158.||Porsche 911 Turbo Cabriolet||Walter Rohrl||7:52.00||480 / 1665|
|159.||BMW M5 (E60)||Hans Joachim Stuck||7:52.00||507 / 1848|
|160.||Aston Martin V12 Vantage S||unknown||7:52.00||573 / 1680|
|161.||Porsche Panamera Turbo S||Horst von Saurma||7:52.20||550 / 1995|
|162.||BMW M2 Competition (F87)||unknown||7:52.36||410 / 1617|
|163.||Lotus Exige S (V6)||Christian Gebhardt||7:53.00||350 / 1140|
|164.||Alpina B3 (G20)||Christian Gebhardt||7:53.26||468 / 1812|
|165.||Porsche 911 GT3 (996 facelift)||unknown||7:54.00||380 / 1393|
|166.||BMW M5 Competition (F10)||unknown||7:54.00||575 / 1870|
|167.||Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM||unknown||7:54.00||582 / 1678|
|168.||Renault Megane RS 275 Trophy R||unknown||7:54.36||279 / -|
|169.||Porsche Cayman S (981)||Walter Rohrl||7:55.00||325 / 1382|
|170.||Caterham R500 1.8L K Series||Robert Nearn||7:55.00||233 / 450|
|171.||Mercedes-Benz E 63 AMG S||Horst von Saurma||7:55.00||585 / 1840|
|172.||Renault Megane RS Trophy R||Christian Gebhardt||7:55.00||300 / 1314|
|173.||Ferrari F430||unknown||7:55.00||490 / 1483|
|174.||BMW M5 (F10)||unknown||7:55.00||560 / 1870|
|175.||BMW Z4 M40i (G29)||unknown||7:55.41||340 / 1582|
|176.||Porsche 911 Turbo (996)||unknown||7:56.00||420 / 1598|
|177.||Porsche Panamera Turbo||Walter Rohrl||7:56.00||500 / 1870|
|178.||Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06||Dave Hill||7:56.00||411 / 1418|
|179.||Ferrari California GT||unknown||7:56.00||460 / 1787|
|180.||Panamera Sport Chrono Turbo||Walter Rohrl||7:56.00||500 / 1974|
|181.||Porsche 911 Carrera S (997)||unknown||7:56.00||355 / 1455|
|182.||Ferrari 360 CS||unknown||7:56.00||425 / 1280|
|183.||Alpine A110 S (Mk II)||Christian Gebhardt||7:56.10||292 / 1137|
|184.||SLS AMG Coupe Electric Drive||unknown||7:56.23||751 / 2095|
|185.||Porsche 911 GT3 (996)||Walter Rohrl||7:56.33||360 / 1379|
|186.||Honda NSX-R (facelift)||Motoharu Kurosawa||7:56.73||294 / 1270|
|187.||Audi RS4 (B7)||Frank Stippler||7:58.00||420 / 1720|
|188.||BMW M2 (F87)||unknown||7:58.00||375 / 1566|
|189.||Porsche Boxster S (981)||unknown||7:58.00||315 / 1320|
|190.||Seat Leon Cupra 280||Jordi Gene||7:58.40||280 / 1354|
|191.||Audi RS4 Avant (B9)||Christian Gebhardt||7:59.00||450 / 1809|
|192.||Audi RS5 (8T3 facelift)||Horst von Saurma||7:59.00||450 / 1686|
|193.||Lotus Evora 400||unknown||7:59.00||406 / 1440|
|194.||Chevrolet Corvette C6||unknown||7:59.00||405 / 1476|
|195.||Dodge Viper SRT-10||unknown||7:59.00||506 / 1600|
|196.||Jaguar XKR-S Convertible||Sascha Bert||7:59.00||550 / 1897|
|197.||Audi RS5 (8T3)||Horst Von Saurma||7:59.00||450 / 1725|
|198.||Porsche 911 Carrera S (997)||Walter Rohrl||7:59.00||355 / 1455|
|199.||Cadillac CTS-V (Mk II)||John Heinricy||7:59.32||564 / 1972|
|200.||Alpina B4 S Biturbo Coupé AWD||unknown||7:60.00||440 / 1680|
|201.||Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33)||Motoharu Kurosawa||8:01.00||280 / 1601|
|202.||Bugatti EB 110 SS (US spec)||unknown||8:01.00||600 / 1735|
|203.||Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Coupe||unknown||8:01.00||457 / 1730|
|204.||C63 AMG Coupe Performance Pac..||Horst von Saurma||8:01.00||487 / 1783|
|205.||Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder||Wolfgang Kaufmann||8:01.84||520 / 1754|
|206.||Porsche 911 Carrera (991)||Dag Johnsen||8:02.00||350 / 1400|
|207.||Aston Martin DBS||unknown||8:02.00||517 / 1695|
|208.||Porsche 911 GT3 (996)||Horst Von Saurma||8:03.00||360 / 1379|
|209.||Alpine A110 (Mk II)||Christian Gebhardt||8:03.00||252 / 1112|
|210.||Aston Martin V8 Vantage||unknown||8:03.00||385 / 1636|
|211.||CLS 63 AMG Perfromance Package||unknown||8:03.00||557 / 1919|
|212.||Honda NSX-R||Motoharu Kurosawa||8:03.86||280 / 1323|
|213.||VW Golf R (Mk VII facelift)||unknown||8:04.00||310 / 1454|
|214.||Porsche Boxster S (981)||Horst von Saurma||8:04.00||315 / 1320|
|215.||Lamborghini Diablo GT||unknown||8:04.00||575 / 1520|
|216.||Mercedes-Benz A 45 AMG||Christian Gebhardt||8:04.00||380 / 1571|
|217.||Alfa Romeo 4C||unknown||8:04.00||240 / 1009|
|218.||Mini John Cooper Works GP||Christian Gebhardt||8:04.00||310 / 1288|
|219.||Ferrari 575 Maranello||unknown||8:05.00||515 / 1760|
|220.||BMW M3 (E92)||unknown||8:05.00||420 / 1614|
|221.||Porsche Cayman R (987)||Horst von Saurma||8:06.00||330 / 1320|
|222.||Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG||unknown||8:06.00||517 / 1985|
|223.||Ford Focus RS||Christian Gebhardt||8:06.00||350 / 1547|
|224.||Porsche Cayman S||unknown||8:06.00||320 / 1375|
|225.||Subaru Impreza STI Spec C||Motoharu Kurosawa||8:06.01||280 / 1370|
|226.||Caterham Superlight R||unknown||8:06.20||193 / 470|
|227.||Ferrari 550 Maranello||unknown||8:07.00||486 / 1724|
|228.||BMW Z8||unknown||8:07.00||400 / 1603|
|229.||BMW M6||unknown||8:07.76||507 / 1765|
|230.||Renault Megane RS 265 Trophy||Laurent Hurgon||8:07.97||265 / 1409|
|231.||Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3||unknown||8:08.71||320 / 1472|
|232.||Audi RS6 Avant (C6)||unknown||8:09.00||579 / 2025|
|233.||Lamborghini Diablo SV||unknown||8:09.00||519 / 1590|
|234.||Audi RS4 (B7)||unknown||8:09.00||420 / 1720|
|235.||Audi TT RS Coupe (Mk II)||unknown||8:09.00||340 / 1435|
|236.||Ferrari 360 Modena||unknown||8:09.00||400 / 1410|
|237.||Audi R8 e-tron||Markus Winkelhock||8:09.10||312 / -|
|238.||Porsche 911 GT2 (993)||unknown||8:09.30||430 / 1303|
|Track length||20.60 km / 12.80 miles|
|Track record||6:40.3 (911 GT2 RS)|
|Production record||6:43.6 (AMG GT Black S..)|
|Front-drive record||7:40.1 (Megane RS Trop..)|
|4-door sedan record||7:18.4 (XE SV Project 8)|
|Convertible record||6:57.0 (918 Spyder)|
|Motorcycle record||8:09.8 (Yamaha FZR 1000)|
|Top speed||352 kph (219 mph) (McLaren P1)|
More tracks from Germany
Hoppelmoppel123 12h ago
SpeedKing 3d ago
The GT3RS MR has smashed the non MR lap time at the Nurb by almost 7 sec, 6:49.65
Cauf40f50 2d ago
Does it count as production laptime tho? the car is modified like the 2rs mr
benedekpuskas 2d ago
Holy crap. Just 520 horsepower, yet only 9 seconds slower than a GT2 RS.
Corvolet3 2d ago
And probably not even road-legal, who cares. They're working together with Porsche so you can expect them to have done some major tweaks to "shock" everyone.
Cocobe 2d ago
Good for them, but the laptimes and pursuit of the "ultimate race car for the road" is quite pointless.
Take this GT3RS MR, it'll be slower than a simple GT3 in the real world thanks to all its low ride height and crashy suspension.
So this 70+k euro package will get your 911 GT3RS 7 seconds around the ring faster, yes but the difference between a cup 2 and cup 2R tire is already more than 7 seconds.
Well you say you're a lot more hardcore and want the ultimate track car, G-forces etc, then go get a real track car, those G-forces will be MUCH higher.
Hoppelmoppel123 2d ago @Corvolet3
Its road legal as you can see at the license plate
FastestLaps 2d ago @Hoppelmoppel123
The car is road legal I am sure, but which tyres did they use?
Corvolet3 2d ago @FastestLaps
Also a cheap trick by Porsche and friends: use Cup 2 R tires that have super hardcore track capabilities for single use, and never put them on again. Can't let them use "standard" sport tires like everyone else, their cars must cheat in every category possible.
FastestLaps 2d ago @Corvolet3
Are you accusing VW group company of cheating?
Corvolet3 2d ago @FastestLaps
That's my emission.
FastestLaps 2d ago @Corvolet3
Emission of guilt
SpeedKing 2d ago @Cauf40f50
No because these are the mods the MR has
The MR Performance Kit for the Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991.2), consists of:
- MR coilover kit 3-/4-way adjustable
- MR brake pad set fa + ra
- MR braided brake line set
- MR magnesium wheel set (optional)
- MR aerodynamic package
- MR flaps
- MR air guide element
- MR carbon fiber engine deck lid
- MR carbon fiber gurney flap
- MR carbon fiber mounting bracket
- MR wing support brackets
- MR rear wing incl. side plates
- MR carbon fiber aero disc (optional)
SpeedKing 2d ago @Cocobe
"the difference between a cup 2 and cup 2R tire is already more than 7 seconds."
We can use the GT2RS vs GT2RS MR lap times at the Nurb as an example because both cars were driven by Lars Kern and the RS used Cup2's whereas the MR used Cup2R's and there was 7 sec difference between them. The question i have is how much faster would the MR have been over the stock RS with the same tyres given the suspension mods?
Cocobe 2d ago @Corvolet3
cup 2R tires are available off the shelf right now for all manufacturers, so are Trofeo Rs and Eagle supercar 3R's, etc. Other manufacturers, Mercedes and Ferrari use cup 2R's too.
They are all road legal tires, but explicitly for track use, since they have almost NO grip in the real world at road legal speeds, and are outright dangerous IMO.
Cocobe 2d ago @SpeedKing
oh really, I always assumed they used the cup2R's for the gt2rs lap.
If it were just cup 2's, then yeah that was very impressive. And that possibly there was more from the gt2rs MR lap that was left on the table then.
About the why I said the cup 2R is already 7s faster,
fresh cup2R tires are over a second faster than cup 2 tires for the first minute and then come back down. Safe to say for a 7 minute lap, it's about 7s difference.
There are many instances where gt3rs on cup 2R's lap faster than gt2rs's on cup 2s on other tracks. But I guess the Ring has too many fast and uphill sections
SpeedKing 2d ago @Cocobe
Yeah the GT2RS did the 6:47.3 record lap in Sept 2017 whereas the MR was Sept 2018 which is when Michelin made the Cup2R's available to Porsche and then everyone else.
Corvolet3 2d ago @Cocobe
Exactly, not comparable in the real world. Only to impress with a laptime and then not appear again until the new model. And even with those tires the laptime isn't convincing, the car only has 520 hp. Shows how much Porsche is cheating with numbers when this thing somehow beats 700 hp cars on a track with long straights. Then again I don't take their fake claims seriously anymore after 2017.
SpeedKing 2d ago @Corvolet3
If 6:49 in a GT3RS MR at the Nurb on Cup2R's isn't impressive i don't know what is. Of course the Cup2R's are the most extreme road legal semi-slicks out there which will destroy itself faster than other semi-slicks when pushed to the absolute limit for a given length of time but both the GT2RS MR and the AMG GT BS used them to break the lap records at the Nurb. Make no mistake it's the real world albeit in another dimension :P
Corvolet3 1d ago @SpeedKing
Of course it's impressive, but I highly doubt that it's actually that fast. It only has 520 hp. And seeing how "much" the predecessor managed, you can't but ask yourself if that time was legit or just another setup by Porsche because they were tired of losing records to others. No car with 520 hp can actually be so fast, let alone with that terrible acceleration.
SpeedKing 1d ago @Corvolet3
For some context a GT3 Porsche can lap the same 20.6 km course in 6:29/6:30 with only 520hp. Of course it has slicks and it's a race car so hp isn't everything esp at the Nurb. The GT3 RS MR corner speed is noticeably quicker than the GT2 RS MR in a number of corners and it has race pads so that's where it makes up the difference..
Cocobe 18h ago @Corvolet3
"I highly doubt that it's actually that fast"
There's 2 things going on here.
1. People get attached to ideas and think that defending them means defending themselves and they stop looking at any facts and logic.
2. Just pure ignorance.
Porsche with their gt3rs was only 1.6s slower than the gt2rs at road atlanta, and in fact was neck in neck half way through the lap until the back straight happened. In fact at Sachsenring when the gt3rs was fitted with cup 2R tires it was faster than the gt2rs with regular cup 2 tires. To say that a 510hp car can't compete with 700hp cars is complete nonsense. Even if the cars are like for like, GT2RS vs GT3RS the 700hp car doesn't have that much of an advantage if the track doesn't have long straights or uphill sections, let alone other cars that aren't as track focused.
It's a NA engine, you can't just cheat a whole bunch of extra hp out of it.
You talk about the predecessor being nowhere as fast, because the predecessor handled nowhere as well. It was the first time they put electric power steering in it, and it simply didn't handle well. It was very prone to oversteer as Randy Pobst explained why he hated the 991.1 gt3rs, and that the .2 was WAY better.
so they cheated because they aren't allowed to improve their car is that right? lets agree on that then if it makes you happy.
Cocobe 17h ago @SpeedKing
The fact that the race cars are putting in about 6:30 times, gives us an idea of the absolute limit and "depreciating gains" what aero and grip can do for such a circuit like the Nurburgring. And that the road going GT3/RS are probably approaching the absolute limit already.
There are so many 240+kph sections and some of them being uphill sap too much laptime out of the ~500hp cars as oppose to the 700+hp cars. Comparing the gt3rs 991.2 lap with the gt2rs, the cars hit 235 vs 258kph at the gantry of the back straight, with the speed advantage widening to over 30kph
So much in that other person's case about the gt3rs cheating... it was still some 10s slower than the gt2rs despite having much better tires and being 30kph slower down the back straight
Corvolet3 12h ago @SpeedKing
Comparing apples to oranges. That GT3 you're talking about is a literal (promoted as such) race car, you can easily take off 20 or 30 seconds for those. Seriously, why do dou people think Porsche would purposely make the GT3 faster than the GT2, after all it costs almost twice as much and weighs minimally more. Also it's turbocharged and absolutely demolishes it on the many straights the track has.
Now THIS is a much more realistic laptime for such a car. And driven in sensible temperatures.
Corvolet3 12h ago @Cocobe
LOL calling me ignorant because I'm doubting straight up ridiculous claims? No car with road-legal setup and 200 hp less than its competitors can achieve a laptime like this. Porsche are almost heavy compared to supercars like the 720S and 488 Pista, or whatever they have to face at the very moment. At least the supertest by sport auto makes sense somewhat, it makes the laptime somewhat believable. You don't see a 300 hp Civic Type R beating a 500 hp Corvette on the track after all.
This laptime maybe would make sense for a BTG, that's what they probably went with. After all Porsche is known for cheating and being butthurt when someone is faster than them on the ring or any other championship:
Funny enough that you mention Randy Pobst, cause he managed literally the same time as a GT3 RS with a much heavier Shelby GT500:
No substitute? My ass. I'm waiting for the C8 Z06 to demolish those VW lovechilds once and for all.
Hoppelmoppel123 12h ago @Corvolet3
Porsche does not care if the GT3 is faster than the GT2 RS. They will probably sell more cars. On a long race track like the Nürburgring you can easily get an 10 seconds. Sport Auto doesnt have the time to get the perfect lap, if manufacturers test their cars they sometimes event have more than one days to get the perfect setup and laptime. Sport Auto has 1 lap to get their time.
SpeedKing 11h ago @Hoppelmoppel123
The other thing to remember is that the factory teams have the top GT3 drivers who are much faster than Gebhardt for Sport Auto especially at the Nurb. We're talking at least 10secs faster there...
Cocobe 11h ago @Corvolet3
Here you go, pure ignorance again.
You are comparing a FWD 300hp 5 door car with a 500hp RWD sports car?
and saying that's the same thing as a 520hp GT3RS (the purest sports car, closest thing to a GT3 race car) available with a 720hp supercar?
what kind of comparison is that? Why didn't you use a 300hp minivan vs a Z06 as the equivalent of gt3rs vs a 720s?
At least try like for like.
Let me give you this. GT300 race cars, ie "Toyota BRZ GT300" with allegedly 300hp, RWD, enormous aero, are lapping at the same speeds as 500hp GT3 race cars, actually, they are lapping faster.
So a 300hp car CAN beat a 500hp car if it's more track focused, then why can't a 520hp car beat a 700hp car at least match it on some tracks? It's all about the limit of grip. Putting more hp gives you diminishing returns if you don't add more grip to use the power, and the majority of cars today, are overly powerful and lacking of grip.
Cocobe 11h ago @Corvolet3
Who says the GT2 is supposed to be better in every aspect? LMAO.
It weighs more. It needs more cooling for the turbos. It has throttle lag. The GT2 RS is NOT slower, it's just not that much faster around a track. You seem to have a big problem with getting your facts straight.
SpeedKing 10h ago @Corvolet3
FACT CHECK I am not a VAG fan by any stretch of the imagination. I am an Italian supercar fan and quite like American muscle cars. Another fact is that I research extensively without bias and Porsche have made some of the best handling cars for decades. They have not cheated, they simply make an excellent handling track car. That being said if the STO does not do a lap at the Nurb I'm gonna be pissed off because I strongly believe it will break the production car record and yes with only 640hp...
Corvolet3 6h ago @Cocobe
You do realize the Civic has an incredibly good chassis and beat several cars around the Ring, with much more power? Yet there are limits to everything, you can't just make a wish and hope for it to be faster than everyone else. Unless you're Porsche with the Cheat-T3 models. It's been a known fact that Porsche uses factory tuned press cars to assert a certain dominance around the Ring. Didn't beat it? Sure try again until you actually make it. I mean look at the laptimes on the official website:
Full of Porsche's attempts at trying to keep the crown. If they don't win they'll just try again and again until the baby stops crying. Or accuse other people of cheating since they're Porsche obviously.
It's ignorance that you try and compare a minivan to a Corvette, lmao. The Civic is lighter and can handle very well on circuits.
Where does some beefed up BRZ lap the exact same as a GT3 RS LMAO. Tsukuba? Definitely not the Nürburgring because it's already f*cking slow in base form. Worse than a Fiesta ST. So much for ignorance.
A 720s is lighter, has better aero and obviously more power. Also the fact that it has the better transmission and turbos. The GT3 has NO advantages over it whatsoever and somehow it's faster. You can't bullshit me here, I know my facts.
Corvolet3 6h ago @Cocobe
Must be the reason why the GT2 is faster on every important track, right? N/A engines are simply inferior, no wonder the AMG GT Black Series, the Senna and the GT2 are blasting past everything in their way. I'm a Corvette fanboy myself but there's simply no other way of actually winning on the track.
Corvolet3 6h ago @SpeedKing
Lamborghini is owned by VAG, that's more than close enough. If you put so much research into it you would have realized they stopped making decent handling cars between the late 90s and late 2000s and just got back into it after the GT3 RS 4.0. Before that they got humiliated by the Japanese and the Americans in every aspect. The handling of a 997 Turbo or base GT3 is in fact so bad, some people lapped it against a Corvette C6 LS3 and it could keep up with them.
As much as I love the 997 it was far from being the best handling car in the world. And the 996 was hardly faster than a BMW M3 of its era. The Z4 M beat the Cayman as well, and so on and so forth. It wasn't until the 991 until they actually started making an effort, and it wasn't until the facelift top models with turbos and PDK where they actually came up with striking laptimes. Legitimate or not.
I sure hope the STO does the Nürb, it's actually a modern Lambo I like. Then again I have a weakness for light blue.
... 4h ago @Corvolet3
If I am honest, I do not think manufacturers care. The 570S is lighter than the 650S, the GT2 RS is heavier than the GT3 RS, the SVJ is heavier than the Performante (and they are very close on both straights and track), the Competizione is heavier than the Pista, the Stradale is heavier than the Tributo, etc. Clearly we can see that the top of the range models are heavier. Around corners, the lighter one tends to be quicker. Here we can see that it is
If we compare the 812 Competizione on track to the 488 Pista, it most likely will lose. The LaFerrari even loses and is way quicker. Its also heavier. The Aventador SV even loses many tracks to the Huracan LP610-4. So I don't think the models that sit higher are "supposed" to be better in every aspect. Maybe the GT2 RS is a better car on the road than the GT3 RS. Point is, there's many different categories. Not all aspects should be all better.
Lambolover 2h ago @...
Thing is that Aventador SV lost mostly because of it's tires and not because it was heavier
Despite having 1 level lower tire it was only about 0.3-0.5 secs slower on most tracks(Pzero Corsa vs Trofeo R).
As for SVJ and Performante, SVJ beats Performante at most of the tracks but only by 0.1-0.5 secs both on Trofeo Rs
In order for 812C to be quicker than Pista on track, it should absolutely beat 488 Pista in a roll in order to gain the corner losses on straights(just like SVJ being faster than Performante in roll or GT2 being faster than GT3) which I don't think is gonna happen but we gotta see.
harry potter 1w ago
SpeedKing 1w ago
Someone has spent a little too much time at Hogwarts School...
Hoppelmoppel123 1w ago
FastestLaps 1w ago @SpeedKing
You can expand his logic and basically come to conclusion that nothing in this world is worth liking and the whole point of everything is just going from cradle to grave.
CarCritic 1w ago
Leaving a comment disputing cars on a cars website.
SpeedKing 1w ago @FastestLaps
He's going to try and break the Nurb record on his broomstick...
Lambolover 1w ago
Said someone with the username "harry potter"
CarCritic 1w ago @Lambolover
Take your own advice and 'grow up and get a life'
196ss 1w ago
Looks like it was my wife who broke into the site:)
FastestLaps 1w ago @196ss
99.9% of visitors to this page come from Google searching for car geek topics like "nurburgring fastest lap times" etc. How can someone like this "cars are to go from point A to point B" guy end up in here... Maybe someone really has hijacked his computer...
Cauf40f50 1w ago
shut the **** up, please shut the **** up
Corvolet3 1w ago
At least we can drive without hitting a tree
dr. cosimo 1w ago @Corvolet3
a to b car
dr. cosimo 1w ago @dr. cosimo
my type of normal car, the anti-tesla-futurebsevcars
hostboy 1w ago @FastestLaps
or maybe his family has banned the subject at the dinner table.. you know, like politics and religion!
Cocobe 1w ago
Where do you go shopping for clothes? I assume you think a handbag is just a bag to carry things so a $2 bag is just as good as a $2000 hand bag and that clothes of any kind are just to keep warm and cover your private parts.
Art0 2m ago
Sabine passed away
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sroser 6m ago
Jaguar XE SV Project 8(Cup2 R): 7:18.36
Jaguar XE SV Project 8(2017): 7:21.23
Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S 4MATIC+(2018): 7:25.41
Aaron 7m ago
The AMG gt Black Series will finally eliminate the heavy piece of poop which has occupied the top spot for ages. Lambo fanboys will be crying!
bergspyder 7m ago
The pista should be faster given its price
Thor457 7m ago
the SVJ is overrated primarily because of its nurburgring lap time
loki 8m ago
A few days ago, BMW M4 and Robert Kubica - BTG section in around 7:09.
Art0 9m ago
One of the slowest results but still impressive.
anonymousfan 9m ago
Jim Mero is quoted as running a 2015 C7 Z06 at the ring in 7:10 the list should reflect that.
Xbow1 9m ago
The Project 8 set the lap records without its rear seats, so shouldn't the AMG GT63S be the fastest sedan around the track?
Edit: Well it does say the Project 8 is the fastest 4-door not 4(or 5)-seater, so my argument is invalid there. But a sedan has four seats and four doors, so the GT63S should be the fastest sedan even if its not the fastest 4-door.
SpeedKing 9m ago
This is what a very fast lap of the Nurb looks like in a GT3 Cup car with only 500hp. I've calculated that the 20.6 km lap would have taken 6:29 or 6:34 over 20.8 km. The AMG One won't have the corner speed of the GT3 but the acceleration will more than make up for it.
dodge 9m ago
SpeedKing 9m ago
The news is that the AMG One will be testing at the Nurb soon and that they may be after the Porsche 956 record of 6:11.13 Back in 2018 " AMG boss Tobias Moers told Autocar that "it's reasonable to speculate" the brand's new hypercar would aim to beat the all-time 'Ring lap record."
Yeah i'd like to see that :P
TargaRS 9m ago
Where’s the BMW M2CS time ?
Cauf40f50 9m ago
How fast the jesko HD setup would be on the ring?
Cauf40f50 9m ago
Cmon jesko you can do it 1600 hp and 1000 kg of downforce
Paolo20 10m ago
Can admin please add the supra time to the list above?
Martin 11m ago
Where are the Tesla times?
Justacarguy 11m ago
Where’s the ID.R
Philip 11m ago
Geiger Cars Corvette C7 Z06 6:56.64
Cauf40f50 11m ago
Jaguar Xe v project 8 lap time- 7:18.361
Cauf40f50 11m ago
Why is the nurburgring so overhyped and why its lap times are so important
Subiescooby 1y ago
Project 8 did 7:18.361
Paul S. 1y ago
Glaring omission of the FK8 time of 7:43.8.
Only the Renault Megane RS Trophy has a faster fwd car time, and that had no back seat, and several other mods, very limited production, and not a true daily driver. All they did for the Civic Type R lap is put on Michelin Sport Cup 2 tires, which are still street tires. And at least the Type R has a manual. Sadly the Renault does not.