Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times

2.2 million. In all history its more but that's how much has been counted since counting began.

Thats a lot! Is this the most viewed page?

Most viewed track page. The most viewed page must be the home page.

Does it count as production laptime tho? the car is modified like the 2rs mr

Holy crap. Just 520 horsepower, yet only 9 seconds slower than a GT2 RS.

And probably not even road-legal, who cares. They're working together with Porsche so you can expect them to have done some major tweaks to "shock" everyone.

Good for them, but the laptimes and pursuit of the "ultimate race car for the road" is quite pointless.

Take this GT3RS MR, it'll be slower than a simple GT3 in the real world thanks to all its low ride height and crashy suspension.

So this 70+k euro package will get your 911 GT3RS 7 seconds around the ring faster, yes but the difference between a cup 2 and cup 2R tire is already more than 7 seconds.

Well you say you're a lot more hardcore and want the ultimate track car, G-forces etc, then go get a real track car, those G-forces will be MUCH higher.

Its road legal as you can see at the license plate

The car is road legal I am sure, but which tyres did they use?

Also a cheap trick by Porsche and friends: use Cup 2 R tires that have super hardcore track capabilities for single use, and never put them on again. Can't let them use "standard" sport tires like everyone else, their cars must cheat in every category possible.

Are you accusing VW group company of cheating?

That's my emission.

Emission of guilt

No because these are the mods the MR has

The MR Performance Kit for the Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991.2), consists of:

• MR coilover kit 3-/4-way adjustable
• MR brake pad set fa + ra
• MR braided brake line set
• MR magnesium wheel set (optional)
• MR aerodynamic package
• MR flaps
• MR air guide element
• MR carbon fiber engine deck lid
• MR carbon fiber gurney flap
• MR carbon fiber mounting bracket
• MR wing support brackets
• MR rear wing incl. side plates
• MR carbon fiber aero disc (optional)

"the difference between a cup 2 and cup 2R tire is already more than 7 seconds."
We can use the GT2RS vs GT2RS MR lap times at the Nurb as an example because both cars were driven by Lars Kern and the RS used Cup2's whereas the MR used Cup2R's and there was 7 sec difference between them. The question i have is how much faster would the MR have been over the stock RS with the same tyres given the suspension mods?

cup 2R tires are available off the shelf right now for all manufacturers, so are Trofeo Rs and Eagle supercar 3R's, etc. Other manufacturers, Mercedes and Ferrari use cup 2R's too.

They are all road legal tires, but explicitly for track use, since they have almost NO grip in the real world at road legal speeds, and are outright dangerous IMO.

oh really, I always assumed they used the cup2R's for the gt2rs lap.
If it were just cup 2's, then yeah that was very impressive. And that possibly there was more from the gt2rs MR lap that was left on the table then.

About the why I said the cup 2R is already 7s faster,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGlivTy4Ydg&ab_channel=TyreReviews
fresh cup2R tires are over a second faster than cup 2 tires for the first minute and then come back down. Safe to say for a 7 minute lap, it's about 7s difference.

There are many instances where gt3rs on cup 2R's lap faster than gt2rs's on cup 2s on other tracks. But I guess the Ring has too many fast and uphill sections

Yeah the GT2RS did the 6:47.3 record lap in Sept 2017 whereas the MR was Sept 2018 which is when Michelin made the Cup2R's available to Porsche and then everyone else.

Exactly, not comparable in the real world. Only to impress with a laptime and then not appear again until the new model. And even with those tires the laptime isn't convincing, the car only has 520 hp. Shows how much Porsche is cheating with numbers when this thing somehow beats 700 hp cars on a track with long straights. Then again I don't take their fake claims seriously anymore after 2017.

If 6:49 in a GT3RS MR at the Nurb on Cup2R's isn't impressive i don't know what is. Of course the Cup2R's are the most extreme road legal semi-slicks out there which will destroy itself faster than other semi-slicks when pushed to the absolute limit for a given length of time but both the GT2RS MR and the AMG GT BS used them to break the lap records at the Nurb. Make no mistake it's the real world albeit in another dimension :P

Of course it's impressive, but I highly doubt that it's actually that fast. It only has 520 hp. And seeing how "much" the predecessor managed, you can't but ask yourself if that time was legit or just another setup by Porsche because they were tired of losing records to others. No car with 520 hp can actually be so fast, let alone with that terrible acceleration.

For some context a GT3 Porsche can lap the same 20.6 km course in 6:29/6:30 with only 520hp. Of course it has slicks and it's a race car so hp isn't everything esp at the Nurb. The GT3 RS MR corner speed is noticeably quicker than the GT2 RS MR in a number of corners and it has race pads so that's where it makes up the difference..

"I highly doubt that it's actually that fast"

There's 2 things going on here.
1. People get attached to ideas and think that defending them means defending themselves and they stop looking at any facts and logic.
2. Just pure ignorance.

Porsche with their gt3rs was only 1.6s slower than the gt2rs at road atlanta, and in fact was neck in neck half way through the lap until the back straight happened. In fact at Sachsenring when the gt3rs was fitted with cup 2R tires it was faster than the gt2rs with regular cup 2 tires. To say that a 510hp car can't compete with 700hp cars is complete nonsense. Even if the cars are like for like, GT2RS vs GT3RS the 700hp car doesn't have that much of an advantage if the track doesn't have long straights or uphill sections, let alone other cars that aren't as track focused.

It's a NA engine, you can't just cheat a whole bunch of extra hp out of it.

You talk about the predecessor being nowhere as fast, because the predecessor handled nowhere as well. It was the first time they put electric power steering in it, and it simply didn't handle well. It was very prone to oversteer as Randy Pobst explained why he hated the 991.1 gt3rs, and that the .2 was WAY better.

so they cheated because they aren't allowed to improve their car is that right? lets agree on that then if it makes you happy.

The fact that the race cars are putting in about 6:30 times, gives us an idea of the absolute limit and "depreciating gains" what aero and grip can do for such a circuit like the Nurburgring. And that the road going GT3/RS are probably approaching the absolute limit already.
There are so many 240+kph sections and some of them being uphill sap too much laptime out of the ~500hp cars as oppose to the 700+hp cars. Comparing the gt3rs 991.2 lap with the gt2rs, the cars hit 235 vs 258kph at the gantry of the back straight, with the speed advantage widening to over 30kph

So much in that other person's case about the gt3rs cheating... it was still some 10s slower than the gt2rs despite having much better tires and being 30kph slower down the back straight

Comparing apples to oranges. That GT3 you're talking about is a literal (promoted as such) race car, you can easily take off 20 or 30 seconds for those. Seriously, why do dou people think Porsche would purposely make the GT3 faster than the GT2, after all it costs almost twice as much and weighs minimally more. Also it's turbocharged and absolutely demolishes it on the many straights the track has.
Now THIS is a much more realistic laptime for such a car. And driven in sensible temperatures.
https://youtu.be/MfODpuwFPPs

LOL calling me ignorant because I'm doubting straight up ridiculous claims? No car with road-legal setup and 200 hp less than its competitors can achieve a laptime like this. Porsche are almost heavy compared to supercars like the 720S and 488 Pista, or whatever they have to face at the very moment. At least the supertest by sport auto makes sense somewhat, it makes the laptime somewhat believable. You don't see a 300 hp Civic Type R beating a 500 hp Corvette on the track after all.

This laptime maybe would make sense for a BTG, that's what they probably went with. After all Porsche is known for cheating and being butthurt when someone is faster than them on the ring or any other championship:

https://www.motor1.com/news/48/porsche-accuses-nissan-of-cheating-on-gt-r-nurburgring-record-lap-run/

https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a22767418/2001-bmw-m3-gtr-test/

Funny enough that you mention Randy Pobst, cause he managed literally the same time as a GT3 RS with a much heavier Shelby GT500:

No substitute? My ass. I'm waiting for the C8 Z06 to demolish those VW lovechilds once and for all.

Porsche does not care if the GT3 is faster than the GT2 RS. They will probably sell more cars. On a long race track like the Nürburgring you can easily get an 10 seconds. Sport Auto doesnt have the time to get the perfect lap, if manufacturers test their cars they sometimes event have more than one days to get the perfect setup and laptime. Sport Auto has 1 lap to get their time.

The other thing to remember is that the factory teams have the top GT3 drivers who are much faster than Gebhardt for Sport Auto especially at the Nurb. We're talking at least 10secs faster there...

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Here you go, pure ignorance again.

You are comparing a FWD 300hp 5 door car with a 500hp RWD sports car?
and saying that's the same thing as a 520hp GT3RS (the purest sports car, closest thing to a GT3 race car) available with a 720hp supercar?
what kind of comparison is that? Why didn't you use a 300hp minivan vs a Z06 as the equivalent of gt3rs vs a 720s?

pure ignorance.

At least try like for like.

Let me give you this. GT300 race cars, ie "Toyota BRZ GT300" with allegedly 300hp, RWD, enormous aero, are lapping at the same speeds as 500hp GT3 race cars, actually, they are lapping faster.

So a 300hp car CAN beat a 500hp car if it's more track focused, then why can't a 520hp car beat a 700hp car at least match it on some tracks? It's all about the limit of grip. Putting more hp gives you diminishing returns if you don't add more grip to use the power, and the majority of cars today, are overly powerful and lacking of grip.

Who says the GT2 is supposed to be better in every aspect? LMAO.
It weighs more. It needs more cooling for the turbos. It has throttle lag. The GT2 RS is NOT slower, it's just not that much faster around a track. You seem to have a big problem with getting your facts straight.

FACT CHECK I am not a VAG fan by any stretch of the imagination. I am an Italian supercar fan and quite like American muscle cars. Another fact is that I research extensively without bias and Porsche have made some of the best handling cars for decades. They have not cheated, they simply make an excellent handling track car. That being said if the STO does not do a lap at the Nurb I'm gonna be pissed off because I strongly believe it will break the production car record and yes with only 640hp...

You do realize the Civic has an incredibly good chassis and beat several cars around the Ring, with much more power? Yet there are limits to everything, you can't just make a wish and hope for it to be faster than everyone else. Unless you're Porsche with the Cheat-T3 models. It's been a known fact that Porsche uses factory tuned press cars to assert a certain dominance around the Ring. Didn't beat it? Sure try again until you actually make it. I mean look at the laptimes on the official website:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times

Full of Porsche's attempts at trying to keep the crown. If they don't win they'll just try again and again until the baby stops crying. Or accuse other people of cheating since they're Porsche obviously.
It's ignorance that you try and compare a minivan to a Corvette, lmao. The Civic is lighter and can handle very well on circuits.

Where does some beefed up BRZ lap the exact same as a GT3 RS LMAO. Tsukuba? Definitely not the Nürburgring because it's already f*cking slow in base form. Worse than a Fiesta ST. So much for ignorance.

A 720s is lighter, has better aero and obviously more power. Also the fact that it has the better transmission and turbos. The GT3 has NO advantages over it whatsoever and somehow it's faster. You can't bullshit me here, I know my facts.

Must be the reason why the GT2 is faster on every important track, right? N/A engines are simply inferior, no wonder the AMG GT Black Series, the Senna and the GT2 are blasting past everything in their way. I'm a Corvette fanboy myself but there's simply no other way of actually winning on the track.

Lamborghini is owned by VAG, that's more than close enough. If you put so much research into it you would have realized they stopped making decent handling cars between the late 90s and late 2000s and just got back into it after the GT3 RS 4.0. Before that they got humiliated by the Japanese and the Americans in every aspect. The handling of a 997 Turbo or base GT3 is in fact so bad, some people lapped it against a Corvette C6 LS3 and it could keep up with them.

As much as I love the 997 it was far from being the best handling car in the world. And the 996 was hardly faster than a BMW M3 of its era. The Z4 M beat the Cayman as well, and so on and so forth. It wasn't until the 991 until they actually started making an effort, and it wasn't until the facelift top models with turbos and PDK where they actually came up with striking laptimes. Legitimate or not.

I sure hope the STO does the Nürb, it's actually a modern Lambo I like. Then again I have a weakness for light blue.

If I am honest, I do not think manufacturers care. The 570S is lighter than the 650S, the GT2 RS is heavier than the GT3 RS, the SVJ is heavier than the Performante (and they are very close on both straights and track), the Competizione is heavier than the Pista, the Stradale is heavier than the Tributo, etc. Clearly we can see that the top of the range models are heavier. Around corners, the lighter one tends to be quicker. Here we can see that it is

If we compare the 812 Competizione on track to the 488 Pista, it most likely will lose. The LaFerrari even loses and is way quicker. Its also heavier. The Aventador SV even loses many tracks to the Huracan LP610-4. So I don't think the models that sit higher are "supposed" to be better in every aspect. Maybe the GT2 RS is a better car on the road than the GT3 RS. Point is, there's many different categories. Not all aspects should be all better.

Thing is that Aventador SV lost mostly because of it's tires and not because it was heavier
Despite having 1 level lower tire it was only about 0.3-0.5 secs slower on most tracks(Pzero Corsa vs Trofeo R).

As for SVJ and Performante, SVJ beats Performante at most of the tracks but only by 0.1-0.5 secs both on Trofeo Rs

In order for 812C to be quicker than Pista on track, it should absolutely beat 488 Pista in a roll in order to gain the corner losses on straights(just like SVJ being faster than Performante in roll or GT2 being faster than GT3) which I don't think is gonna happen but we gotta see.

Someone has spent a little too much time at Hogwarts School...

You can expand his logic and basically come to conclusion that nothing in this world is worth liking and the whole point of everything is just going from cradle to grave.

Leaving a comment disputing cars on a cars website.
Sounds logical...

He's going to try and break the Nurb record on his broomstick...

Said someone with the username "harry potter"

@harrypotter
Take your own advice and 'grow up and get a life'

Looks like it was my wife who broke into the site:)

99.9% of visitors to this page come from Google searching for car geek topics like "nurburgring fastest lap times" etc. How can someone like this "cars are to go from point A to point B" guy end up in here... Maybe someone really has hijacked his computer...

shut the **** up, please shut the **** up

At least we can drive without hitting a tree

a to b car

my type of normal car, the anti-tesla-futurebsevcars

or maybe his family has banned the subject at the dinner table.. you know, like politics and religion!

Where do you go shopping for clothes? I assume you think a handbag is just a bag to carry things so a $2 bag is just as good as a $2000 hand bag and that clothes of any kind are just to keep warm and cover your private parts.