Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times

Rank Vehicle Driver Time
1. Porsche 911 GT2 RS Manthey Racing Lars Kern 6:38.84
2. McLaren P1 LM Kenny Brack 6:43.20
3. AMG GT Black Series Maro Engel 6:43.62
4. Lamborghini Aventador SVJ Marco Mapelli 6:44.97
5. Radical SR8 RX unknown 6:45.50
6. Radical SR8LM Michael Vergers 6:48.00
7. Huracán Performante Marco Mapelli 6:52.01
8. AMG GT Black Series unknown 6:52.54
9. Porsche 911 GT3 RS Manthey Racing Kevin Estre 6:54.34
10. Radical SR8 Michael Vergers 6:55.00
11. Porsche 911 GT3 (992) Lars Kern 6:55.34
12. Porsche 918 Spyder Marc Lieb 6:57.00
13. Modified Subaru WRX STI unknown 6:57.50
14. Aventador LP750-4 SV unknown 6:59.73
15. Ferrari 488 Pista Christian Gebhardt 7:00.03
16. Dodge Viper ACR (Mk V) Lance Arnold 7:01.30
17. Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS Jörg Bergmeister 7:04.51
18. Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro Maro Engel 7:04.63
19. Porsche 911 GT3 (992) Christian Gebhardt 7:04.74
20. Nio EP9 unknown 7:05.12
21. Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro Christian Gebhardt 7:07.00
22. McLaren 720S Christian Gebhardt 7:08.00
23. Nissan GT-R Nismo (R35) Michael Krumm 7:08.68
24. McLaren 600LT Christian Gebhardt 7:08.82
25. Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Christian Gebhardt 7:10.92
26. Gumpert Apollo Sport Florian Gruber 7:11.57
27. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR Dominik Farnbacher 7:12.13
28. Porsche 911 GT3 unknown 7:12.70
29. Porsche 918 Spyder Horst von Saurma 7:13.00
30. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C7) Christian Gebhardt 7:13.90
31. McLaren 720S unknown 7:14.00
32. Lexus LFA Nurburgring Package Akira Iida 7:14.64
33. Donkervoort D8 RS Michael Duechting 7:14.89
34. BMW M4 CSL Jörg Weidinger 7:15.67
35. Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS Christian Gebhardt 7:16.00
36. Camaro ZL1 1LE Package unknown 7:16.04
37. Porsche 911 Turbo S (992) Christian Gebhardt 7:17.00
38. Porsche 911 Turbo S Christian Gebhardt 7:17.11
39. Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997) Timo Kluck 7:18.00
40. Jaguar XE SV Project 8 unknown 7:18.36
41. Radical SR3 Turbo Phil Bennett 7:19.00
42. Nissan GT-R (R35 550 PS) Toshio Suzuki 7:19.10
43. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Jim Mero 7:19.63
44. Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991) unknown 7:20.00
45. Ferrari 488 GTB unknown 7:21.00
46. Ferrari 488 GTB Christian Gebhardt 7:21.63
47. Corvette Z06 Z07 Package Jim Mero 7:22.68
48. Mercedes-Benz AMG GT 63 S Demian Schaffert 7:23.01
49. Porsche 911 Carrera GTS Christian Gebhardt 7:23.77
50. Gumpert Apollo Sport unknown 7:24.00
51. Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997) Horst von Saurma 7:24.00
52. Nissan GT-R (R35 530 PS) Toshio Suzuki 7:24.22
53. Maserati MC12 Marc Basseng 7:24.29
54. Pagani Zonda F Clubsport Marc Basseng 7:24.65
55. KTM X-Bow R Christopher Haase 7:25.00
56. Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 Horst von Saurma 7:25.00
57. Porsche 911 GT3 (991) Timo Kluck 7:25.00
58. Porsche Panamera Turbo S Lars Kern 7:25.04
59. Ferrari Enzo Marc Basseng 7:25.21
60. SLS AMG Black Series Markus Hofbauer 7:25.67
61. KTM X-BOW RR unknown 7:25.72
62. Porsche 911 Turbo S (991) unknown 7:26.00
63. Nissan GT-R (R35) Toshio Suzuki 7:26.70
64. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997) unknown 7:27.00
65. Ferrari 812 Superfast Christian Gebhardt 7:27.48
66. BMW M4 GTS unknown 7:27.88
67. Lamborghini Huracan LP 610-4 Christian Gebhardt 7:28.00
68. McLaren MP4-12C Horst von Saurma 7:28.00
69. Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991) Christian Gebhardt 7:28.00
70. AMG GT 63 S E Performance Christian Gebhardt 7:28.00
71. BMW M4 Competition xDrive Christian Gebhardt 7:28.57
72. Porsche Carrera GT Marc Basseng 7:28.71
73. Porsche 911 Turbo (991) unknown 7:29.00
74. BMW M5 CS Christian Gebhardt 7:29.57
75. Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 (Mk VI) unknown 7:29.60
76. Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Oliver Gavin 7:29.90
77. Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT unknown 7:30.00
78. Porsche 911 Carrera S (992) Christian Gebhardt 7:30.00
79. BMW M4 Competition Coupe Christian Gebhardt 7:30.79
80. Porsche 911 GT2 (997) Walter Rohrl 7:31.00
81. Porsche 911 Turbo S Walter Rohrl 7:32.00
82. Audi R8 V10 Plus (Mk II) unknown 7:32.00
83. Alfa Romeo Giulia QV Fabio Francia 7:32.00
84. Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 Christian Gebhardt 7:32.00
85. Porsche 911 GT3 (991) unknown 7:32.20
86. BMW M8 Competition (G15) Christian Gebhardt 7:32.79
87. Pagani Zonda F unknown 7:33.00
88. Porsche 911 GT3 RS unknown 7:33.00
89. Ferrari F12 Berlinetta Horst von Saurma 7:33.00
90. Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S Markus Hofbauer 7:33.04
91. Koenigsegg CCX Marc Basseng 7:33.55
92. Porsche Cayenne Turbo GT unknown 7:33.95
93. Audi R8 GT (Mk I) Horst von Saurma 7:34.00
94. Koenigsegg CCR unknown 7:34.00
95. Porsche 911 Carrera S Christian Gebhardt 7:34.00
96. Porsche 911 Turbo S (991) Horst von Saurma 7:34.00
97. Nissan GT-R Spec-V (R35) unknown 7:34.46
98. SLS AMG Black Series unknown 7:35.00
99. RUF RT12 unknown 7:35.00
100. McLaren 650 S Spider unknown 7:35.00
101. Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S unknown 7:35.00
102. Audi RS 3 Limousine (8Y) unknown 7:35.52
103. Honda NSX (Mk II) Christian Gebhardt 7:36.00
104. BMW M5 Competition (F90) Christian Gebhardt 7:36.00
105. Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 unknown 7:37.47
106. Porsche 911 Carrera S (991) Timo Kluck 7:37.90
107. Lexus LFA unknown 7:38.00
108. Porsche Panamera Turbo (Mk II) unknown 7:38.00
109. Ferrari 458 Italia unknown 7:38.00
110. McLaren Mercedes SLR 722 unknown 7:38.00
111. Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera Horst von Saurma 7:38.00
112. Porsche 911 Turbo (997) unknown 7:38.00
113. BMW M5 (F90) unknown 7:38.92
114. Ferrari 430 Scuderia unknown 7:39.00
115. Alfa Romeo Giulia QV unknown 7:39.00
116. Porsche 911 Turbo unknown 7:39.00
117. Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 unknown 7:39.28
118. Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 unknown 7:40.00
119. McLaren Mercedes SLR Klaus Ludwig 7:40.00
120. Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Horst Von Saurma 7:40.00
121. Porsche 911 GT3 Walter Rohrl 7:40.00
122. Renault Megane RS Trophy R Laurent Hurgon 7:40.10
123. Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Mark Reuss 7:41.27
124. Porsche Cayman GT4 (981) Christian Gebhardt 7:42.00
125. Porsche 911 GT3 (997) Walter Rohrl 7:42.00
126. Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997) unknown 7:42.00
127. Murcielago LP 670-4 SV Horst von Saurma 7:42.00
128. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) Jan Magnussen 7:42.90
129. BMW M2 CS (F87) Christian Gebhardt 7:42.99
130. Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996) Walter Rohrl 7:43.00
131. Aston Martin Vantage (Mk II) unknown 7:43.92
132. Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG S Coupe Christian Gebhardt 7:44.00
133. Pagani Zonda C12 S unknown 7:44.00
134. Porsche 911 Turbo S Horst Von Saurma 7:44.00
135. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI (Mk I) unknown 7:44.00
136. Gardner Douglas GD T70 Spyder Dario Margutti 7:45.00
137. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI Plus Horst von Saurma 7:45.00
138. E 63 AMG S 4Matic+ T unknown 7:45.00
139. CLK 63 Black Series Berndt Schneider 7:45.00
140. Mercedes - AMG CLA 45 S Christian Gebhardt 7:45.34
141. Gallardo Superleggera unknown 7:46.00
142. Porsche 911 GT2 (996) unknown 7:46.00
143. C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series unknown 7:46.00
144. Jaguar XJ220 John Nielsen 7:46.37
145. Porsche 718 Cayman S Christian Gebhardt 7:47.00
146. Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano unknown 7:47.00
147. Wiesmann GT MF5 unknown 7:47.00
148. Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996) unknown 7:47.00
149. VW Golf R 20 Years Benjamin Leuchter 7:47.31
150. BMW M3 GTS unknown 7:48.00
151. Porsche 911 GT3 (997) unknown 7:48.00
152. Audi TT RS Coupe (Mk III) Christian Gebhardt 7:48.00
153. Lotus Exige Cup 380 (Mk III) unknown 7:48.13
154. Mercedes - AMG A45 S (W177) Christian Gebhardt 7:48.80
155. Alpina B3 GT3 unknown 7:49.00
156. Porsche Boxster Spyder (981) unknown 7:49.00
157. VW Golf GTI Clubsport S unknown 7:49.21
158. Mercedes-Benz GLC 63 AMG S Markus Hofbauer 7:49.30
159. RUF CTR2 Dave Beddor 7:49.56
160. Aston Martin Vantage GT8 Christian Gebhardt 7:50.00
161. Lamborghini Murcielago unknown 7:50.00
162. Porsche 911 Carrera S unknown 7:50.00
163. BMW M3 CSL (E46) Horst von Saurma 7:50.00
164. SLS AMG Coupe Electric Drive Markus Hofbauer 7:50.23
165. Jaguar XKR-S (550 PS) unknown 7:51.00
166. VW Golf R (Mk VIII) unknown 7:51.00
167. SL65 AMG Black Series unknown 7:51.00
168. Alfa Romeo Stelvio QV Fabio Francia 7:51.70
169. Lamborghini Gallardo unknown 7:52.00
170. BMW M4 Horst von Saurma 7:52.00
171. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 unknown 7:52.00
172. Ford GT (Mk I) unknown 7:52.00
173. Porsche 911 Turbo Cabriolet Walter Rohrl 7:52.00
174. BMW M5 (E60) Hans Joachim Stuck 7:52.00
175. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S unknown 7:52.00
176. Toyota Supra (Mk V 340 PS) Christian Gebhardt 7:52.17
177. Porsche Panamera Turbo S Horst von Saurma 7:52.20
178. BMW M2 Competition (F87) unknown 7:52.36
179. Lotus Exige S (V6) Christian Gebhardt 7:53.00
180. Alpina B3 (G20) Christian Gebhardt 7:53.26
181. Porsche 911 GT3 (996 facelift) unknown 7:54.00
182. BMW M5 Competition (F10) unknown 7:54.00
183. Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM unknown 7:54.00
184. Renault Megane RS 275 Trophy R unknown 7:54.36
185. Porsche Cayman S (981) Walter Rohrl 7:55.00
186. Caterham R500 1.8L K Series Robert Nearn 7:55.00
187. Mercedes-Benz E 63 AMG S Horst von Saurma 7:55.00
188. Renault Megane RS Trophy R Christian Gebhardt 7:55.00
189. Ferrari F430 unknown 7:55.00
190. BMW M5 (F10) unknown 7:55.00
191. BMW Z4 M40i (G29) unknown 7:55.41
192. Porsche 911 Turbo (996) unknown 7:56.00
193. Porsche Panamera Turbo Walter Rohrl 7:56.00
194. Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Dave Hill 7:56.00
195. Ferrari California GT unknown 7:56.00
196. Panamera Sport Chrono Turbo Walter Rohrl 7:56.00
197. Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) unknown 7:56.00
198. Ferrari 360 CS unknown 7:56.00
199. Alpine A110 S (Mk II 292 PS) Christian Gebhardt 7:56.10
200. SLS AMG Coupe Electric Drive unknown 7:56.23
201. Porsche 911 GT3 (996) Walter Rohrl 7:56.33
202. Honda NSX-R (facelift) Motoharu Kurosawa 7:56.73
203. Audi RS4 (B7) Frank Stippler 7:58.00
204. BMW M2 (F87) unknown 7:58.00
205. Porsche Boxster S (981) unknown 7:58.00
206. Ford Mustang Mach 1 Christian Gebhardt 7:58.29
207. Seat Leon Cupra 280 (Mk III) Jordi Gene 7:58.40
208. BMW M240i XDrive Christian Gebhardt 7:58.59
209. Audi RS4 Avant (B9) Christian Gebhardt 7:59.00
210. Audi RS5 (8T3 facelift) Horst von Saurma 7:59.00
211. Lotus Evora 400 unknown 7:59.00
212. Chevrolet Corvette C6 unknown 7:59.00
213. Dodge Viper SRT-10 unknown 7:59.00
214. Jaguar XKR-S Convertible Sascha Bert 7:59.00
215. Audi RS5 (8T3) Horst Von Saurma 7:59.00
216. Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) Walter Rohrl 7:59.00
217. Cadillac CTS-V (Mk II) John Heinricy 7:59.32
218. Alpina B4 S Biturbo Coupé AWD unknown 7:60.00
219. Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33) Motoharu Kurosawa 8:01.00
220. Bugatti EB 110 SS (US spec) unknown 8:01.00
221. Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Coupe unknown 8:01.00
222. C63 AMG Coupe Performance Pac.. Horst von Saurma 8:01.00
223. Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder Wolfgang Kaufmann 8:01.84
224. Porsche 911 Carrera (991) Dag Johnsen 8:02.00
225. Aston Martin DBS unknown 8:02.00
226. VW Golf R (Mk VIII) Christian Gebhardt 8:02.00
227. Porsche 911 GT3 (996) Horst Von Saurma 8:03.00
228. Alpine A110 (Mk II) Christian Gebhardt 8:03.00
229. VW Golf GTI Clubsport Christian Gebhardt 8:03.00
230. Aston Martin V8 Vantage unknown 8:03.00
231. CLS 63 AMG Perfromance Package unknown 8:03.00
232. Honda NSX-R Motoharu Kurosawa 8:03.86
233. VW Golf R (Mk VII facelift) unknown 8:04.00
234. Porsche Boxster S (981) Horst von Saurma 8:04.00
235. Lamborghini Diablo GT unknown 8:04.00
236. Mercedes-Benz A 45 AMG Christian Gebhardt 8:04.00
237. Alfa Romeo 4C unknown 8:04.00
238. Mini John Cooper Works GP Christian Gebhardt 8:04.00
239. Ferrari 575 Maranello unknown 8:05.00
240. BMW M3 (E92) unknown 8:05.00
241. Hyundai i30 N Performance Christian Gebhardt 8:05.19
242. Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG unknown 8:06.00
243. Ford Focus RS Christian Gebhardt 8:06.00
244. Porsche Cayman S unknown 8:06.00
245. Subaru Impreza STI Spec C Motoharu Kurosawa 8:06.01
246. Caterham Superlight R unknown 8:06.20
247. Ferrari 550 Maranello unknown 8:07.00
248. BMW Z8 unknown 8:07.00
249. BMW M6 unknown 8:07.76
250. Renault Megane RS 265 Trophy Laurent Hurgon 8:07.97
251. Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3 unknown 8:08.71
252. Audi RS6 Avant (C6) unknown 8:09.00
253. Lamborghini Diablo SV unknown 8:09.00
254. Audi RS4 (B7) unknown 8:09.00
255. Audi TT RS Coupe (Mk II) unknown 8:09.00
256. Ferrari 360 Modena unknown 8:09.00
257. Audi R8 e-tron Markus Winkelhock 8:09.10
258. Porsche 911 GT2 (993) unknown 8:09.30
259. Yamaha FZR 1000 (EXUP) unknown 8:09.85
260. Dodge Viper GTS unknown 8:10.00
261. Donkervoort D8 180R unknown 8:10.00
262. Alpina B6 S unknown 8:10.00
263. Porsche Cayman R (987) unknown 8:10.00
264. RUF CTR Yellow Bird unknown 8:10.00
265. KTM X-Bow unknown 8:10.00
266. Mercedes-Benz A 45 AMG unknown 8:10.00
267. Impreza WRX STi Version III T.. unknown 8:10.75
268. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX Takayuki Kinoshita 8:11.16
269. Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG unknown 8:12.00
270. Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 unknown 8:12.00
271. Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 (993) unknown 8:12.00
272. Renault Megane RS Christian Gebhardt 8:12.00
273. Cadillac CTS-V Sport Wagon John Heinricy 8:12.10
274. BMW M5 (E60) unknown 8:12.90
275. Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG unknown 8:13.00
276. Artega GT Horst von Saurma 8:13.00
277. Dodge Viper SRT-10 Roadster unknown 8:13.00
278. Lotus Esprit Sport 350 unknown 8:13.00
279. BMW M5 Touring (E61) unknown 8:13.00
280. Ferrari F355 unknown 8:13.00
281. Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport unknown 8:13.10
282. GranTurismo MC Stradale Horst von Saurma 8:13.60
283. Alpina B3 Biturbo Horst von Saurma 8:13.60
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Nürburgring Nordschleife

This is arguably the most popular most demanding and also longest track for road-car track-days, magazine tests, prototype testing and race events. Originally, the track featured four track configurations: the 28.265 km long Gesamtstrecke ("Whole Course"), which in turn consisted of the 22.810 km Nordschleife ("Northern Loop"), and the 7.747 km Sudschleife ("Southern Loop"). There also was a 2.281 km warm-up loop called Zielschleife, around the pits area. Between 1982 and 1983 the start-finish area was demolished to create a new GP-Strecke, and this is currently used for all major and international racing events. However, the Nordschleife is still in use; nicknamed The Green Hell by Jackie Stewart, it is widely considered the toughest and most demanding purpose-built race track in the world.

Country Germany
Track length 20.60 km / 12.80 miles
Track record 6:38.8 (911 GT2 RS)
Production record 6:43.2 (McLaren P1 LM)
Front-drive record 7:40.1 (Megane RS Trop..)
4-door sedan record 7:18.4 (XE SV Project 8)
Convertible record 6:57.0 (918 Spyder)
Motorcycle record 8:09.8 (Yamaha FZR 1000)
Top speed 352 kph (219 mph) (McLaren P1)
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Alli  1m ago

Volvo S60 Polestar? 7:51.


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Bagheri  2m ago

This car is missing two cars in the 7:35 range as long as i realized. One is tesla model s plaid and the other is bmw m3 touring. And i dont think ang gt 63s e performance actually recorded a lap i think that is a mistake since it was another time for the normal gt63s


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Bruce  2m ago

When are they going to add the Porsche 992 GT3 RS?


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tony  2m ago

7 m 33 s Porsche Taycan Turbo S how can i add it?


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OMG  3m ago

Why are the Manthey Racing Porsches and other modified cars on the list? Should be only stock/factory cars. Otherwise we could have only pure race cars.


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Mitia Mosnoire  4m ago

I inverted PS-to-KG, cause power does not mean speed. It literally means power. And why lose it? So if it is heavy and it is fast — perfect, innit?! It immediately showed a more applicable (interesting) data.
Resulting in:
Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33) taking first place (heavy machine, obviously; kudos, Nissan, for making it sports)
2: Hyundai i30 N Performance
3: Renault Megane RS 265 Trophy
8: Seat Leon Cupra 280 (Mk III) (good aerodynamics; car made for laps)
14: Honda NSX-R
16: Toyota Supra (Mk V 340 PS)
17: Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3
19: Porsche Cayman S
20: Porsche Boxster S (981)
21: Alpine A110 (Mk II)
22: Ford Focus RS

28: Range Rover Sport SVR (how does Rolls compares?)
29: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
40: Artega GT
41: Mini John Cooper Works GP
53: Porsche Panamera Turbo (Mk II) (2 tonnes)
56: Nissan GT-R (R35)
Next to last one: 2023 / GR Supra
Last: McLaren P1 LM
This table basically shows how ineffective 'fast' cars are. And actually calls them slow. Because instead of improving actual car components, they are just adding power. Which again, does not mean speed. It just means power. (But don't worry, you can tune your Supra real good :) Just google who Smokey Nagata is :)

Like, yeah, you can add power to your processor... You can even cool it with liquid nitrogen... but what does it show you? Is it practical? Is it powerful? Is it effective? That's the reason why Apple bringing mobile processors to desktop market is a big deal. They draw 20 W of power for tasks that not every computer capable of. It's fast. But yeah. You can call your Intel (AMD) on fire fast, if it makes you feel good :)
(It also means «if you pay more you lose more». But that... they don't want you to know :-) You are cool :-)

Always experiment. Thank you!


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Toyota TMG-H Operation  6m ago

Please Add this important Laptime, appreciate all the hard work

Lap Time: 7:41

Country of Origin: Japan

Make: Toyota

Year/Model: 2023 / GR Supra

Engine. 6-Cylinder / 3L / DOHC / Turbocharged & Intercooled

Transmission: 6-Speed Manual

Drivetrain: 2WD

Driver: Asahi "Turbo" Yamauchi


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Speed  6m ago

Why there is no lap time for Porsche 919 Evo?


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PeeZee  8m ago

Fastest car around the Nurburgring

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Lambolover  8m ago

omg pwese remoov p1 lm laptim its too good X0


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Casual Car Guy  8m ago

Please remove McLaren P1 LM's lap time from road-legal production car lap times. Because only 5 were made, at least 25 units required to be considered as a production car.


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The Private Investigator  8m ago

Someone add a note to P1 LM time, it was set with a Pre-Production car and on top of that they asked a factory driver to get behind the wheels.

...PLEASE REMOVE IT!! ...

It's not an Authentic Lap Time.

The ordinary P1 crashed several times in its early stages, after many modifications and tests, it set a very disappointing time that they decided not to say how embarrassing it was. Mclaren stays quite for a while and releases the GTR version, then few months later they asked Paul Lanzante to do them a favour and do 5 LM cars. The one tested is not one of the 5 production cars.

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It takes you back to the F1 which set its Top Speed with a Pre-Production car too. Marketing Hype. Put the cats back and it will be slow, much slower.

Around the track ? It will be all over the place, then they decided to do a GTR version to go up against other LeMans cars to fight for the title. It won one Lemans title and after that it was a major failure.

Porsche: 19
Audi: 13
Ferrari: 9
Jaguar: 7
Bentley: 6
Toyota: 4
Ford: 4
Alfa Romeo: 4
Mclaren: 1

Now if we look at the 720S production car and wonder why is it slower than these heavier cars

  • Huracán Performante
  • Aventador LP750-4 SV
  • Ferrari 488 Pista
  • Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro
  • Porsche 911 GT3 (992)

If one thing the 720S is good at, it is straight line / Drag Race battle.

It's a lighter version of todays EV Tesla with ICE.

Thank you for your time.

 

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Lambolover  8m ago

 

Trofeo R tires and it beats Ferrari on Cup 2Rs and is faster than Porsche by nearly 4 seconds (it was even faster than GT2 there on Corsas only)

"Around the track ? It will be all over the place"
Yeah yeah the same car that beats Laferrari and 918 round tracks is all over the place and "slow"
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/clhgnagk4eze
God knows what would have happened if Mclaren actually did Nurb laptimes themselves
P1 LM was just a taste of it
14 seconds quicker than 918 back in 2014


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SpeedKing  8m ago @Lambolover

A 720S with TrofeoR's and Kenny Brack driving would lap the Nurb in low to mid 6:50's. As for the Senna we may never know but even with Brack behind the wheel it will not beat the GT2RS MR lap time there :)


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Lambolover  8m ago @SpeedKing

Hell I'm even expecting 6.4X
And as for Senna I think it's gonna be way faster than what we think
Like WAY faster
6:2X fast
Might sound silly but I believe in it


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Hooratincan  8m ago @Lambolover

It's a Pre-Production car you Dumb Kid Cow Titty Lover.

No Production car from McLaren will match those times.

765LT is slower than 720S, buy hey, it's a fun car to drive and engaging as they say. LMAO!!


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Lambolover  8m ago @Hooratincan

Too bad I didn't care for your comment after I read your username :)


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TypeF173  8m ago @Hooratincan

There are FIVE production McLaren P1 LM's, so what technical specifications did the pre production prototype have that the production specifications one DIDN'T? And, how are you going to prove it?

And how is your completely shit Tick Tock site Lambullshitni?

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TypeF173  8m ago

Quote>"Around the track ? It will be all over the place, then they decided to do a GTR version to go up against other LeMans cars to fight for the title. It won one Lemans title and after that it was a major failure."

1995> The F1 GTR would go on to take its greatest achievement with first, third, fourth, fifth, and 13th places in the 1995 24 Hours of Le Mans, beating out custom built prototype sports cars.

1996> F1 GTR 1996 chassis #14R is notable as being the first non-Japanese car to win a race in the All-Japan Grand Touring Car Championship (JGTC).

So as a PRODUCTION road car it was not an homologation special, like those that followed? It didn't win Le Man's that year it DOMINATED it.

Acceleration records that weren't beaten until the Bugatti Veyron? Or it's TWO way average as a production car. Failure? WTF?

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TypeF173  8m ago

Quote>"Now if we look at the 720S production car and wonder why is it slower than these heavier cars

Huracán Performante
Aventador LP750-4 SV
Ferrari 488 Pista
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro
Porsche 911 GT3 (992)."

WTAF? You're comparing a BASE specifications McLaren 720S to production cars from manufacturers ENHANCED production cars? Who the hell does that? Ahahaha!

I'll tell you what if you're going to do stupidity, why don't you compare them, ANY of them to the McLaren Senna? Who's your "money" on now?

Quote>"It's a lighter version of todays EV Tesla with ICE."

So you talk complete shit and sugar coat it with that horseshit? Simpleton? What's that got to do with nothing? You might as well say lighter than Bentley or Rolls-Royce?

Quote>"Thank you for your time."

It took a couple of minutes of bullshit but it was fun!

;)


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SpeedKing  8m ago @Lambolover

Never in a million years would the Senna come anywhere near 6:20 at the Nurb. Here's a question for you, what do the Senna and STO have in common?


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TypeF173  8m ago @SpeedKing

They both start with the letter S. And that's it! LOL!


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SpeedKing  8m ago @TypeF173

Yes but no...

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TypeF173  8m ago @SpeedKing

Ahahaha!

Also man, the current Holy Trinity "track" (ish) cars are going to be joined by THREE more~

Aston Martin Valhalla.
Ferrari SF90 which is already here.
And the one I'm busting to talk about or see is the Lamborghini Aventador replacement.

1000hp (ish) etc. We've got some good stuff coming.

;)


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Lambolover  8m ago @SpeedKing

Come on
It has all the necessities needed
Better in cornering than most of the rivals
Great straight line performance
I don't see the reason that it can't beat AMG or GT2 as it has beaten them almost everywhere else and by quite a margin


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TypeF173  8m ago @Lambolover

I believe you Lambolover, definitely sexy metrics approved! LOL!


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SpeedKing  8m ago @Lambolover

The answer is that both the STO and Senna tested at the Nurb and we know that the STO couldn't break the record and i'm quite sure that McLaren didn't take the Senna to the Nurb, on more than one occasion, for a Sunday arvo drive. Like i've said previously the Nurb is not a Senna friendly track due to the bumpy uneven surface in many parts. I rate the Senna highly on purpose built racetracks but TBH i don't think it could beat the P1LM Goodwood lap time of 47:07 nor the 6:43 Nurb lap. I'm happy to be proven wrong but will it ever happen?

BTW you need to bear in mind that the P1LM tyres are 30mm wider F/R than the Senna's...


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TypeF173  8m ago @SpeedKing

Get that gamer dude to do a "simulation?", I bet he can break six minutes! LOL!


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Corvolet3  8m ago

I give the Senna 6:30 tops


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TypeF173  8m ago @Corvolet3

You couldn't make it a 6.29 sexy metric? Ahahaha!


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Corvolet3  8m ago @TypeF173

I'm actually not optimistic at all on laptimes and stats, lmao. I mean look at my new table.


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TypeF173  8m ago @Corvolet3

I will my friend, I quickly perused it, you're table that is, and I'll definitely comment. ;)


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Corvolet3  8m ago @TypeF173

You're the best, my man


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Lambolover  8m ago @SpeedKing

Well the difference is they had done mods and they were caught at that moment
Also if there was gonna be a stock laptime on factory tires, STO would barely do 6:50s cuz bridgestones
P1's time still had some seconds in it and Come on. We have a similar situation between 991.2 GT3 RS and 918 spyder
How could a 520hp 911 beat an 887hp Hybrid hypercar?
Well yeah 918 was on Cup2s but even if it was on Cup2Rs it wouldn't do less than 6:50 while 991.2 GT3 RS MR does 6:47
Also was the stock GT2 on Cup2s back in 2017 or 2RS?


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SpeedKing  8m ago @Lambolover

"P1's time still had some seconds in it and Come on"

Check out the lap and tell me he wasn't on the limit.

How could a 520hp 911 beat an 887hp Hybrid hypercar?

Far superior handling and braking. Same way a GT3 Cup car can lap the 20.6km Nurb in 6:28 with around 550hp. Power is not imperative there.

 


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Lambolover  8m ago @SpeedKing

The Problem is the two cars don't share any track times together so that we can have an actual clue of what will happen between them
Closest thing to them in Mclarens is P1 vs 720S
(My phone doesn't wanna copy stuff so check the comparison out yourself)
If we exclude the wet track, 720S is still quicker than P1 round some of the tracks (most probably on the same tire, Pzero corsas)
P1 did a 50.4 round the Goodwood hillnclimb and based on the comparison, 720S could roughly do the same so I think if senna was gonna do a time there, it would be around high 47s
I'll see if I can find an actual track that both Senna and P1 GTR have lapped (GTR because that's the only limited edition P1 that had some laps round different tracks and is also super similar to LM)
Also I believe Senna is more stable than LM going out the turns but it's just my opinion judging by their onboard videos


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SpeedKing  8m ago @Lambolover

To give you a comparison between the P1 GTR and the Senna let's look at Spa. The Senna did 2:24 with Duncan Tappy driving and the P1 GTR did 2:20 with Alexander West behind the wheel who are both capable racing drivers although Brack will be faster than both. If the P1 GTR was on TrofeoR's it would most likely be 3 seconds slower so even there it's going to be marginally faster than the Senna.

At Monza Bruno Senna drove the P1 GTR and did a 1:46 lap which is pretty much a GT3 Cup car qualifying lap time there so once again add 3 sec for TrofeoR's and voila 1:49. The Senna will probably do a 1:50 lap there so once again marginally slower.

Bottom line is that i've done my research and there's no way the Senna is going to be more stable than the P1 LM at the Nurb so maybe a 6:41 is possible in the Senna but i still have my doubts.


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Lambolover  8m ago @SpeedKing

Well on Laguna Seca Alexander west did 1:27.00 (on slicks)
Senna has surprisingly done a 1:27.19 on trofeo Rs

 

I know you have doubts
You think if LM couldn't beat GT2 then Senna wouldn't either
But so far both P1 GTR and Senna would turn any road 911 to dust round any track and I don't see the reason that they can't do the same on the nurb
If LM and GTR are as fast as GT3 cars then why was LM almost 14 seconds slower than an average GT3 car there?
Tires?
If we say cornering speed then they should be slower on other tracks as well, not just Nurb
Also bare in mind that Senna was almost never tested by a Mclaren test driver so it would be even faster round most of the tracks
I wish Gebhardt did a lap so that we could've had something to compare at least


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SpeedKing  8m ago @Lambolover

I thought you'd mention the Laguna Seca lap lol The reason why i didn't use Laguna Seca as an indicator is because the average speed there with a 1:27 lap is 92mph whereas Monza, Nurburgring and Spa are between 112-121mph with the P1 GTR/LM laptimes.

Obviously the 1000hp P1LM is able to take advantage of its Senna like downforce, wider tyres and almost 200 extra hp even though it's about 250 kilos heavier.

It's obvious that you don't agree with my sound measured logic and all we can hope for, as you say, is for someone like Gebhardt to do a lap there to see how fast it is. Don't forget Gebhardt did a 1:40.8 lap at Hockenheim which was extraordinary for him so we may not need to deduct much time from his potential lap :)


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GPZ3071  8m ago @TypeF173

1995> The F1 GTR would go on to take its greatest achievement with first, third, fourth, fifth, and 13th places in the 1995 24 Hours of Le Mans, beating out custom built prototype sports cars.

1996> F1 GTR 1996 chassis #14R is notable as being the first non-Japanese car to win a race in the All-Japan Grand Touring Car Championship (JGTC).

So as a PRODUCTION road car it was not an homologation special, like those that followed? It didn't win Le Man's that year it DOMINATED it.

Acceleration records that weren't beaten until the Bugatti Veyron? Or it's TWO way average as a production car. Failure? WTF?

With all that Bullshit that you tried to make it look like a head to head death race and success at the end of the line, it ended up with 1 Le Mans title and that doesn't change the fact that it sucked LMAO.

JGTC ? Who goes to race in Japan ? Only when you end up losing against the big boys at Le Mans. JGTC = Le Boys Hahahahahahaha.

Who goes to Japan to play with JDM cars to compensate for their loss at Le Mans ? Only McLaren does that Hahahahahahahahahaha.

2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th, 9th won't get you the title at Le Mans, NO Matter how you want to make it sound like, the F1 was failing after 1995 with its catastrophic engine failure in the middle of the race at Le Mans and sudden withdrawal from the race.

Next race for McLaren will be held at Alton Towers or at Thorpe Park ? I'll send you the tickets with Mcdonald's Special Meal for March '22 and a glazed toy for your mom LMAO!

Porsche: 19
McNuggets: 1

Hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha.


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TypeF173  8m ago @GPZ3071

Quote>"1 Le Mans."~ Yours.

Quote>"The F1 GTR would go on to take its greatest achievement with FIRST."~ Mine.

You can't change that. It won?

F1 also stands for Formula 1? Shall we compare the two there?

I'm perfectly aware of Porsches exploits in Sporstcar racing particularly Lemans. I also remember the "production" cars that two German manufacturers brought out to beat it. Homologation specials? One of them USED the Mclaren F1 to speed development up! It was that good!

And yes engine failures happen. I'm sure Porsche had them too. I'm a great admirer of Ferdinand Piech, I mean Bugatti's here because of him. And WTF did Porsche do once they got full control from Volkswagen? No money money for R+D? Possibly? And created something that wasn't really needed, a JV! LOL!

So, shove your cheap kids meal up your ass Lambullshitni, just log in with that name and stop being a 😼y, we all know it's you. How is your shit Tick Tock site doing? 3800?🙃

Good day.

McLaren is one of the GOAT!🇬🇧


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919FTW  1m ago @GPZ3071

LMAO!


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SubsXT5GR86  1w ago

Toyota: 4
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Mclaren: 1

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

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SubsXT5GR86  1w ago @SubsXT5GR86

Yaris?🤣


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Yaris GR 😋  1w ago @SubsXT5GR86

You were saying ? 😎


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Paul S.  8m ago

This needs serious updating. No 7:43 Civic Type R posted- set over five years ago. Or Renault Megane. Etc.

 

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hostboy  8m ago

That Civic had no seats except for driver seat and the roll cage was added in. It makes just as much sense as the WRX STI's 6:57 lap time.


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DC5ivercoupe  1w ago @hostboy

Hi host,

So the Cayman 4RS gets a free pass, but anything JDM is a taboo ?

Have you seen the car tested ? It's not even close to a production car to begin with.

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Most of the lap times posted here for Porsche cars are done by factory drivers with factory cars that come with a different tune, aggressive tires and aggressive setup for a very fast lap.

Porsche has been good at playing mind tricks with these official videos and setting new records for their xyz cars.

Imagine if Toyota, Nissan and Honda spent months at the nurburgring testing and testing, they too can go under 7 minutes, but this is only a stupid German game show to attract new and dumb customers to jump on the order list and place one ASAP, because the cars are so limited and rare that Internal Combustion engines will soon meet its fate and will perish forever.

They are having a lot of orders back-ordered due to wire harness shortage that was being produced in Ukraine and Russia blew up that factory. I would not believe that this car is sold out, it's all bull and a big bull shit.

Good car, Maybe ? There are plenty of plastic parts that are known to wear out quickly, this was not used to be the case with the older cars that had higher quality parts. But we have to give it some time and see how much abuse it can handle in the hands of owners and not some influencer on YT.


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Cocobe  1w ago @DC5ivercoupe

"Most of the lap times posted here for Porsche cars are done by factory drivers with factory cars that come with a different tune, aggressive tires"

That's hilarious. How did they get a different tune? Get more hp from a Natural aspirated engine? The tires come with as standard or option from factory.

"Imagine if Nissan and Honda spent months at the nurburgring testing and testing"

Again, hilarious, because these 2 brands did spend a lot of time producing lap records even before Porsche or German companies cared. It was Nissan that used the Ring as a marketing tool and brought a GTR that was actually 3x the price of a GTR to set a record, and used it as a marketing ploy - leaving out the fact, you can't actually buy this GTR. It would be the equivalent of setting the record with a GT2RS MR and then advertising that the 911 is faster than any car around the ring. It was after this, did Porsche stepped in and said they can play this game too. 12 years later, Porsche have gone some 45 seconds faster, meanwhile Nissan is still producing the same GTR, albeit even slower than before.

Then there's Honda. Nobody cared for a FWD record, because a FWD record simply meant that the car wasn't fast enough to claim any sports car record, so let's claim the FWD record.


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Cocobe4LIFE(offline)  1w ago @Cocobe

💯


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Malachi Courtier  9m ago

Audi rsq8 has the fastest suv lap time, dissapointed it isn’t on the list


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Denn700  1y ago

Why aren’t the stock Porsche GT3 RS and GT2 RS times posted? I get that the MR times are faster but those really are different cars.


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mameson  1y ago

 


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Corvolet3  1y ago

The real name for this track should be Fraudschleife ;)


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IWantNumbers  1y ago

Why are there no times from the likes of a McLaren Senna, a hybrid Ferrari, a Pagani Huayra, a post-2006 Koenigsegg, a post-1992 Bugatti, or generally most contemporary hypercars?

In the top 50, I'm only seeing 3 cars over 800 ps or [originally] $1m (P1, 918, EP9).

Do they not exist or does this site not have them?

If they don't exist, is that because of lack of attempts or failed attempts? Lots of manufactures talk about breaking the record, but then don't show up [here] for years.

Or to put it another way, how is Nurburgring the gold benchmark with such vehicles missing?

I get the likes of the Valkryie or AMG One or Jesko missing because they're not out yet (as of 2021/10). Or you might argue some of these like Bugatti are not meant for track times. But for most of what I've listed, we should have numbers. The Senna holds a ton of lap records elsewhere, for instance.


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Aaron  1y ago

Corvette c8 nurburgring time? Soon!


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Corvolet3  1y ago

 

Impressive for a car with only 200 hp


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SpeedKing  1y ago

@Hoppelmoppel123 you didn't add Kenny Brack's name to the P1LM Nurb lap. He is an Indy Racing League champion who btw survived a horizontal 214G crash in 2003 so he deserves some credit for his accomplishments...


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SpeedKing  1y ago

@admin what happened to the P1LM Nurb time of 6:43.22 on TrofeoR's?

 


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SpeedKing  1y ago

The Corvette C8 Z06 was attempting to set a fast time at the Nurb until two separate crashes involving a factory BMW M8 and the Tesla Plaid both testing there put an end to its attempt.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a37398206/corvette-z06-nurburgring-lap-attempt-foiled-tesla-and-bmw-crashes/


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Nissan Motorsport International  1y ago

New Record

Lap Time: 6:35

Country of Origin. Japan

Car. Nissan

Model. 2022 GT-R Nismo

Engine. 3.8L / V6 / DOHC / FI: Twin-Turbo / Twin-Intercooled

Transmission. DCT-6

Drivetrain. 4WD

Driver. Ron Jeremy


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vwliebe  1y ago

New Nurburgring lap record for compact class(hot hatches)-7:35:52
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/kompaktklasse/audi-rs3-rekord-nordschleife-nuerburgring-2021/ ....audi rs3


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SpeedKing  1y ago

The ADAC 24 hour at the Nurb has turned into an ice-skating rink and now the fog has suspended the race overnight. What happened to summer?

 


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sroser  2y ago

 

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tyler 9m 

added data for Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Convertible (C8) and laptime for Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Convertible (C8)

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