223 Ferrari's questionable practices

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As car enthusiasts, most all of us enjoy reading car magazines. Whether it be "Car and Driver", "Motor Trend", "Road and Track", or whatever you enjoy reading in your free time, it is always fun to read reviews and tests about our favorite cars.

Car manufacturers take reviews very seriously. They can drive manufacturers to totally redesigning a car while keeping past criticisms in mind.

But is it possible for a car manufacturer to take a test so seriously that they resort to questionable practices to squeeze every last millisecond out of their car?

There are many questionable times and test results out there. Did the CTS-Vs cage benefit it around the Nurburgring? Did Nissan use semi-slicks on their GTR or falsify results as Porsche claimed?

A few months ago, a car journalist came forward with somewhat unsettling article about Ferrari's testing practices they sometimes use when they lend a car to an automotive publication.

The article speaks for itself, for the most part.

Here are some highlights:

Ferrari wanted to know which test track we were going to use for Autocar's 599 GTB road test, but in reality the rot had set in many years earlier.

Why would it want to know that? "Because," said the man from the Autocar office, "The factory now has to send a test team to the circuit we chose so that they can optimize the car to get the best performance from it."

They duly went to the track, tested for a day, crashed the car, went back to the factory to mend the car, returned, tested and then invited us to drive this "standard" 599.

The 599 had already been available to the public at this time. Why did Ferrari feel the need to test the car prior to Autocar testing it? Is the car not already up to optimal performance out of the factory? If a consumer takes their 599 to the same track, will they manage a similar time that the second Ferrari managed?

... the 360 Modena press car that was two seconds faster to 100mph than the customer car we also tested. You allow some leeway for "factory fresh" machines, but this thing was ludicrously quick and sounded more like Schumacher's weekend wheels than a street car.

I do not have much to say about this. You can take it for what it is or draw your own conclusions.

They (Ferrari) turn up at any of the big European magazines end-of-year-shindig-tests with two cars. One for straight line work, the other for handling exercises.

The question here is: Would both cars perform equally as well as the other in both tests? Why have two different cars, one for each test?

What Ferrari plainly cannot see is that its strategy to win every test at any cost is completely counter-productive. First, it completely undermines the amazing work of its own engineers. What does it say about a 458 if the only way its maker is willing to loan it to a magazine is if a laptop can be plugged in after every journey and a dedicated team needs to spend several days at the chosen test track to set-up the car?

There is nothing wrong with double checking that a car is up to snuff. But should the car not already be at its best when it leaves the factory? Shouldn't the test reflect that of a car that has been approved for sale? There should be nothing left to check at that point, no?

I am not trying to insinuate anything about Ferrari. I really don't think they would resort to changing a car at the last minute just to beat the competition. I do feel though, that Ferrari's actions described in the article are questionable. I would like to think that car articles reflect the very same car that you or I can go out and buy. And as such, I think a manufacturer should limit themselves to sending out their final product to editors. They shouldn't need to send out engineers to double check anything, they should send out the car that is ready for sale and test it "as is."

Ferrari makes great cars, there is no doubt about that. If they feel a car has lived up to their expectations, then they should send off their car exactly as it is when it is approved for sale. This in only my opinion.

What conclusions do you draw from the article?

15y ago by FastestLaps
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remengo  14y ago

so extremely slow and crap of car that it won the race too....


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remengo  14y ago

the 458 is so slow that made it to the pole of GTE lemans race......
strange mclaren doesn't build a car thet could race in GTE class......


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Mal-2-2  15y ago

It holds the TG lap record too, unless you count the Atom 500, Caparo T1 etc. which I regard as being in a different class.


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F355  15y ago

The only track record the MP4-12C holds on FastestLaps.com is the factory drive at Rockingham where it however lost the direct comparison against the 458...
BTW the 458 holds four other track records.


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Mal-2-2  15y ago

My cat recently out-pulled a customer 458 and purred that it was slow as shit.

The MP4 holds 2 lap records for normal production cars, the 458 holds jack.


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F355  15y ago

Obviously the information from McLaren is strictly objective ;-)

The biggest leap in production car performance probably took place in 1987 when the F40 lowered the supercar lap time benchmarks by some 8%...

So far the 458 has won 3 of the 5 dry track comparisons against the MP4-12C (all 3 head-to-head's) plus the wet track comparison by >8%. Even assuming that the production Mc's will be better than the early test prototypes your statement appears completely exaggerated: "being a supercar owner,as i do ,this car as a customer car will walk all over its competition all day long in the months to come".

The MP4-12C rather ranks pretty much on the same level as the two year old 458, the GT2 RS, probably the LP700, etc.
And there's a lot of competition coming up in the next 2 years, e.g. lightweight 458 and successor of the Enzo.


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tim  15y ago

f355,according to my info,there was still air in the system when the car was returned to the factory,thats why they sent it back the next day,we can go round in circles as long as you want,but you know,being a supercar owner,as i do ,this car as a customer car will walk all over its competition all day long in the months to come.
I agree they have made some big PR boo boo,s.But these occasions happen very rarely in the auto motive industry,and the last time it was the F1,and before that the GT40 in the 60,s,but that had the backing of a motor giant.
BTW,i do not have to rely on what the magazines say,i am giving you information from the factory as an imminant customer


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Luque  15y ago

@Mal-2-2
You are not careful.
First Ferrari has no US spec press car so R&T, Motortrend and Car & Driver used pre-owned cars. Second bring me where Car & Driver state the 458 they tested was a customer car. You liked the results so it was ... exactly as you state for Sport Auto Supertest.
Third: SLS AMG test data are from test of may so not done in Nevada as for the 458
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q2/2011_mercedes-benz_sls_amg-road_test
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/fdb45291a6661933648cb13ba8082306.pdf

You are, clearly, a moron


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F355  15y ago

Mainly McLaren came back to the test track because the MP4-12C had lost against the 458 and GT2 RS in the direct track comparison.

BTW, the McLaren alarm binged and displayed a message that the hydraulic system required attention - after the car had entered the pit lane following the first attempt on the PZero. The system was then repaired by McLaren staff and the second attempt on PZero Corsa with traction control turned off brought an improvement of 0.8 s, plausible for the stickier Corsa.
Ben Collins : "Was the car broken when I lapped it? I don't think so..."


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tim  15y ago

f355,you know they only came back because the car on the day was not fully fixed,bad luck (or management on their part)but they have not done that before or since


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F355  15y ago

Mal-2-2, two stock customer 599 GTO recently ran 340 and 342 km/h in a magazine test, comfortably topping the 335+ claim.
The stock customer Ferrari of which I've verified power tops the claim.
A stock customer F50 e.g. performed very convincingly in the comparison at Suzuka.
100-200 km/h in 6.4 s by the 458 is plausible, as are the times of the MP4-12C.
But unlike a certain competitor Ferrari did not come back to the track after the direct comparison with different cars and its own drivers...


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F355  15y ago

Depends on tires and conditions...


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Mal-2-2  15y ago

I guess customer cars must be 0.6s slower off the line.


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F355  15y ago

Quattroruote was equally quick, just 0.1 to 0.2 s slower off the line.


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tim  15y ago

in defense,the times might correspond to the acceleration curve,but that dosnt mean that the car wasnt a ringer,afterall the Automobile magazine test stands out well infront of any other tests,but if this was with a rollout test i could see these times probable with a press car


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F355  15y ago

Confirmation: Mal-2-2 does not understand what it means that these times CORRESPOND to the calculated acceleration curve.


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Mal-2-2  15y ago

\/Another press ringer.


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F355  15y ago

The times of the 458 tested by Automobile Magazine - up to 160 mph - corrspond to the theoretical acceleration curve (a fact Mal-2-2 doesn't seem to understand):
3.0 s to 60 mph,
6.4 to 100,
8.9 to 120,
10.9 to 134 at the 1/4 mile,
12.2 to 140,
17.0 to 160.
Similar results by Quattroruote, simply 0.2 s slower off the line.


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Mal-2-2  15y ago

Correction at sea level? Classic bench-racing. Nowhere in that R&T test does it state that it was a customer car.

These claims of 134mph traps for the 458 are ridiculous. It's never done anything but lose to the MP4 by a long way in a head-to-head straightline race.

The SLS didn't suffer for altitude did it? Damn the 458 is just faster than an SLS. Hahahahaha.


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Luque  15y ago

http://www.dragtimes.com/Ferrari-458-Timeslip-21674.html 11.5s@125mph I suppose now you'll point to the 11.2@132 with no timesheet on a downhill track LOL.

Mal, always trolling on fastest lap ?
Las Vegas Motor Speedway is 2028 feet above see level (620 m)
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php
Test have be done in 09/03/2011 and it was about 13.00 pm (there almost no shadows)
Correction at sea level gives back 11,2s @@129mph and WITHOUT LAUNCH CONTROL.

Here's C&D's group test with a private 458: http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/f402b130222e6f98ef15ba1165617301.pdf
Oh no, not very rapido.

Acceleration and track lap were done in Reno Ferley that is located 4,160 ft (1,268 m) above sea level.
Eximation at sea level is 10,903 @ 131 mph (Turbo do not suffer for altitude or very marginally)

R&T test with customer car : 11,0s@128,5 mph
http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/original/application/5928dfc15d6ac83f27af9013afadd860.pdf
Do you feel like an idiot ?
Oh you well know ..