23 7:38 - BMW M3 CS falls six seconds behind the Alfa Romeo Giulia QV

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The 2018 BMW M3 CS made its debut earlier this week, and we might already know its Nürburgring lap time. First noticed by Motor1, a promo video posted to BMW M's YouTube channel says that the M3 CS ran around the Nürburgring in 7:38, and a BMW spokesperson confirmed that the time is legit.

While BMW didn't list a Nürburgring time for the M3 CS in any of its press materials, it has said its coupe counterpart, the M4 CS, ran a 7:38 at the German track. Under the skin, the M3 and M4 CS are virtually identical, and BMW quotes the same weight figures for both. Given that, you'd expect the two cars to run the same lap time at the circuit.

A 7:38 lap would mean the M3 CS matches the Porsche Panamera Turbo around the Nordschliefe, but it falls six seconds behind the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. It's worth noting that the Giulia Quadrifoglio comes from the factory with ultra-sticky Pirelli P Zero Corsa Assymetrico tires. The M3 CS ran its Nürburgring lap on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires.

In any case, 7:38 is a damn impressive result for the M3 CS. But we wonder if it's actually BMW's fastest four-door. We haven't yet learned what the new M5 does around the track, but we've got a feeling it'll be good.

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Source: roadandtrack

1y ago by hyperspeedd
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MotoringEng  1w ago

Bmw is a joke. I've been working with cars since my whole life, for the money paid just buy an Audi and enjoy the quality. The only thing Bmw has to show is the RWD. Not worth it. Pay some extra and get a Merc or little more and get a Porsche. Now that's a true RWD car. And you will be able to resale it for some money, whereas when you buy a Bmw you can throw it in the trash afterwards. Not to mention reliability which is poor at best.

 

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BR2+  1w ago

Well good for you good sir


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latvietis96  1w ago

Last time I checked Mercedes had the worst resale out of all German manufacturers.


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MotoringEng  1w ago @latvietis96

You should check again. I don't where you live but that shouldn't be a problem.
Btw why are you commenting on every single Audi/Bmw post? Are you that butthurt?


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latvietis96  1w ago @MotoringEng

I've checked enough and the E class/S Class are among the most depreciating cars ever.
You can buy a 2007 S65 AMG with an MSRP of $200k for under $4k these days.


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BR2+  1w ago @latvietis96

Yup, That is crazy, I mean great for the consumer, But crazy nontheless.


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MotoringEng  1w ago @latvietis96

Really? Now show me that, i'm buying it.


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PPZ  1w ago @MotoringEng

Googling ''cheapest S65 AMG'' is not that hard.

$200.000 car loses more than 98% value over 10 years
Incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt-2rsl0ZyY
When you look at classifieds you can find that W220's cost notably cheaper than 7 series from the same era.


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Georg  2w ago

The Alfa northloop laptime was cheated... on any other track it can hardly beat a TT-RS not to talk about M3/M4 GTS

One US side already pointed out the Alfa doing the Ring time was 220lbs lighter and not running on tires avaible from factory...

 

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BR2+  2w ago

Article?..


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latvietis96  2w ago @BR2+

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a29754/new-panamera-turbo-breaks-production-sedan-record-at-the-nordschleife/
''The Alfa Romeo Giulia reportedly utilized racing tires to set it's lap, and was 100kg lighter than the production version. ''


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BR2+  2w ago @latvietis96

Thats just going by what anther rival company said, And we all know how that usually goes, Saying something is one thing, But proving it is another, I mean can we really take another manufactures word on something like that?

I mean the QVs lap does seem to be faster then normal going by other tracks, But it is the Ring, SO more prep and time was required


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Hans  2w ago

Many manufacturers did it. They remove rear seats and put racing seat for the driver and it's alredy - 100kg.


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BR2+  2w ago @Hans

Thats nothing new, Thats been done for years now, Most do, A different seat is fine, The use it for insurance purposes and to connect a 4 point or 6 point or more harness to the driver for extra safety measures, Some times with an added cage, This is nothing new, And its good they do when going for a record or fast time on one of the most dangerous tracks, But a single seat isnt gonna way 100kg, Not even in a Rolls Royce, And along with a cage and added safety along with camera and testing equipment it might be back to its stock weight or even weigh more, All depends.


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latvietis96  1w ago @BR2+

When you watch the Giulias Nurburgring run you can tell that the interior has been stripped from most sound insulation - the car sounds loud like a tin can inside (compared to other onboard videos).
Plus the suspension is obviously stiffened as there is wheel hop on corners (like a DTM car).
The ECU was probably tuned which is just normal and the tires are unknown - there was no governing body for that run to verify anything.
No way this car in stock form is faster than the M4 or M5 around Nurburgring, let alone a 20 second gap.
Wonder why Alfa never provided a Quadrifoglio for the SportAuto Nurburgring supertest...


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BR2+  1w ago @latvietis96

I cant really remember the lap of the Giulia, But there was a big discussion bout it awhile ago. Ill recheck...

So i checked again, A few videos, I didnt notice anything gone or missing from the interior, Looks completely legitimate to me, Unless i missed something, And the tyres gotta be Pirellis, Is a sponsor in the video, And the QV has PZero Corsas, So that would make sense, Weather or not those tyres were used, Dunno, But i do find the sound very interesting, It doesnt sound like a normal QV from the interior view, It does sound like a tin can like some sound dentening has been removed, Not saying that was done, Nor can i prove it, But very good observation.

But again, There ring times, And those times are take very serious by manufactures, And not all have the same time and skill level of others, And its a huge track, So there are gonna be differences.


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Pacho Kardana  9m ago

How is that possible - 7:32 on Ring and got beaten by M3 on any other race track? I don't believe the 7:32 time of Alfa was fair test. By the logic it shows another way around.


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FastestManAlive  11m ago

The nurburgring is a 13 mile long track so a six second difference is not that big of a deal though is it? Whats weird is that all the other track comparisons between the QV and m3/4 are pretty close. This is the CS so it should be faster than the QV. Don't know what happened here


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petrr  1y ago

If the standard M3 is 20 seconds slower than the Giulia how come the Giulia loses to the M3 on every track review?


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Joaquim  1y ago

Even if the M3 CS and M4 CS have the same power and wheight, their body rigidity probably isn't the same. Tipically with the 3 door layout is easier to achieve a superior stiffness.
Anyway probably the lap time wouldn't be hugely different.

And by the way, the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tyres are stickier than the P Zero Corsa, so this case the tyre advantage is on the bmw side...