You have to update the Alfa Romeo Giulia QV board with this new time instead of 7:39 please

New Alfa Romeo Giulia has arrived and now it is time for it to shine. Mopar and Alfa Romeo showed us a lineup of styling accessories that they have prepared for sporty looking sedan.

Source: https://carsoid.com/mopar-modifies-alfa-romeo-giulia/

interview and comments about Francia's lap by himself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wldR6u4UtU
there are captions for those who do not understand italian. He sounds like and incredibly cool and competent guy. Really hope he will stay safe in his job.

...Yeah I'm done..

Around hockenheim time of F1 let me take an educated guess.If you compare the tsukuba laps of F1 and 599GTB and 430Scuderia,
F1 does 1:04.62,599 GTB does 1:05.92 and 430 S does 1:08.31(1:05.31 in similar condition using top gear adjustments).
At hockenheim short we have 599 GTB at 1:12 and 430S at 1:10.3.
So using tsukuba lap adjustments and based on straight line acceleration F1 might do around 1:09-1:10.Which would put it faster than CCR.This is an educated guess rather than simply saying F1 wouldn,t touch 1;09s.

And on the note of hockenheim being a power track,compare the cornering speeds of CGT,mp4-12C and
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/supertest/mercedes-slr-mclaren-auf-nordschleife-und-hockenheimring-1144499.html
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/supertest/mclaren-mp4-12c-im-supertest-ist-der-neuling-ein-nuerburgring-star-4052698.html
I love how MP4-12c pulled more lateral g's,had more cornering speeds,better straight speed and still 0.1s slower than CGT which is dubious.

And a CCR will beat an F1 round a track, An F1 isnt touchin 1:09 at hockenheim.

How do you know that when F1 wasn't ever tested there?

Tiff Nedell didnt say any of that

You might want to watch full video which you clearly didn't
@5:53 he says murray wanted instant steering response that means low polar moment of inertia
@5:58 he say so that means minimum overhang front and rear
@6:06 he says the suspension must have an affect of a racing car and comfort of a road car
@6:55 he says there is a massive power through the chicanes.
@7:25 he says handling is superb and is eccentral for a car of this power @7:36 he says with the mild understeer in turn in.

An Enzo and Carrera GT do have similar acceleration to a F1, They all have damn near the same 0-60, 0-100, The Carrera has the same 1/4 mile, And Enzo beats it in the 1/4, Only after does it start to pull away, It was built for that.

No Enzo doesn't beat F1's 1/4mile time both do that at 11.0s flat
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/n1a3v0147kc0

Its no different than you thinking its faster then a Carrera GT or Enzo round a track, No different, And its not praising it, Its overestimating it

Go around the youtube,you will find some people claiming that F1 beats MP4-12c,P1,650s,Veyron SS,etc.So I am nowhere overestimating it.

...Wow..

1: I didnt answer the Ultima time because i figured id give you enough time to THINK about it and look INTO the lap, And clearly you didnt.

2: The Ultima GTR did come in 2000, But no Ultima GTR is gonna beat a LaFerrari, The Ultima GTR 720 came out 6 years later, And theres a big difference in everything from engine to suspension to brakes to DF levels in the 720, Might as well say a C5 ZO6 is as fast as a 458..

3: An Enzo and Carrera GT do have similar acceleration to a F1, They all have damn near the same 0-60, 0-100, The Carrera has the same 1/4 mile, And Enzo beats it in the 1/4, Only after does it start to pull away, It was built for that.

4: The F1 is one of my favs, I dont hate any car, And i do remember that comparison talk about the XJ and F40, But you, Who werent there, And the comments you didnt see, That were deleted, Have Zero right to question anything there since you cant see the whole comment section, But im not gonna make up fantasy claims and believe one of my favs is the fastest and best at everything while showing non relevant data simply because of what it is, And yeah that guy did believe the F1 can do a 7:11, Its no different than you thinking its faster then a Carrera GT or Enzo round a track, No different, And its not praising it, Its overestimating it. And a CCR will beat an F1 round a track, An F1 isnt touchin 1:09 at hockenheim.

5: Tiff Nedell didnt say any of that

6: Apparently you dont know what an insult it...

for example a 360cs in god conditions does 1:02 and is a stupid cuestion that a 430 s more power and more downforce have worst time and less a huge diference like a 6 seconds.

Oh and it turns out that 360CS which did 1:02 was fitted with a rear wing which invalidates your statement.Here is the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWz0mq_6MZs

Ps4: Omg! Think and look CAREFULLY at the Ultima GT 720 TG laptime, Then compare the other times..

Ultima GTR was made in 2000 and is still faster than a laferrari 13yrs newer,it reminds me of your telling about the reason why 1:09 lap time wasn't included but when asked you didn't give specific answer.

Also if you say CGT,Enzo is faster around a track than F1 then you might as well say that they have superior acceleration than F1 which isn't true.

Anyway you have your opinion and I have mine,if you wish to go on arguing like this then I have no intention to go on unless you show me some lap times for comparing CGT,Enzo,599,430 Scuderia,F50 etc.
I can see that you don't like F1 since in every comment somebody praised it you always opposed it like in this thread
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/tb2cttulkhon
where you opposed Z.Anyway same can be said for myself as I am not that much of a Porsche fan,for some reason I don't like Porsches.But I do like Ferrari,Audi,Lamborghini,etc.

...I could ask you the same thing....

Yes I have driven an F1 and CGT the ride in the CGT was very scary.But not the Enzo.Any way I have watched the race between F1 and Enzo at willow spring the Mclaren in that video is what I was in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajafOovRF-M

And yeah, Usually as the cars get older they get slower, 1994 McLaren F1 was the second overall fastest car in the world, 10 years later it gets eaten by a CCR and S7 TT, Then 10yrs later etc etc, The top Ferrari and the top Porsche at the time, Along with others, Slower round a track then the top McLaren 10 before them? LOL Mate cmon....

Even in the 1994 there was a faster car than F1 remember Dauer 962LM.By the way CCR isn't faster than F1 around a track but Ultima GTR is.As for cars getting slower as they become older.An F40 is faster than 993 GT2 inspite of around 10years difference.So yeah F1 was faster than Enzo or CGT from the reviews I have read.

Ps: You migt want to go back on that video, And actually HEAR what he said....

I have heard what he has said it was the same as I told,not sure what are you telling,instead of doing that you could quote the word.

Ps2: Your literally posting EVERYTHING Abcdefghi did....Literally....

And you are telling everything what Jeremy Clarkson said about F1.And don't compare me with a guy who beileves F1 can do 7:11 when I don't even believe any production car can do that.

Ps3: Please show me my insult.

Here is it

You would have to be fool

Like i said, I 'Never" said that, Not once, Your putting words on the screen, Or your confusing me with somebody else.

Also......You might want to look at what i said about the LP500 QV......Again..............

How do you know F1 is slower than CGT or Enzo,have you driven them all?So according to your logic just because a car is older means it automatically becomes slower.

...I could ask you the same thing....

And yes, I have, Except the Enzo, As my Ferrari clients tend to be a bit "Fickle" with there Ferraris, And its usually nobody else.

And yeah, Usually as the cars get older they get slower, 1994 McLaren F1 was the second overall fastest car in the world, 10 years later it gets eaten by a CCR and S7 TT, Then 10yrs later etc etc, The top Ferrari and the top Porsche at the time, Along with others, Slower round a track then the top McLaren 10 before them? LOL Mate cmon....

Ps: You migt want to go back on that video, And actually HEAR what he said....

Ps2: Your literally posting EVERYTHING Abcdefghi did....Literally....

Ps3: Please show me my insult.

Ps4: Omg! Think and look CAREFULLY at the Ultima GT 720 TG laptime, Then compare the other times...

4: We have come along way from handling in the early 2000s, And that goes the same comparing them to the early 90s

If you compare the lateral acceleration test you would find that it isn't much true F40 pulled 1.01g and CGT pulled only 0.99g which tells that there is not much difference in mechanical grip of early 2000s and 1990s car.

2: I will use that because im not loosing the argument that the F1 is faster then CGT, Enzo, Scuderia, 599

Yes it is clear that you are loosing the argument thats why you are throwing insults and thats why you said you shouldn't use BM laps.Because F1 was clearly faster in terms of straight line speed,lap times(except CGT),ETC.In fact in saying all that you are proving my point.So again 5000QV vs 993 GT2 was irrelevent.When 993 GT2 was clearly faster in acceleration.Anyway 993 GT2 is still slower than an F40 which again invalidates your point.

So saying F1 is faster than CGT or Enzo is like saying an F40 is faster than 993 GT2 not what you said.

And one more thing Ultima GTR inspite of being an old car still beats many cars at TG track so again that is irrelevent.
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/top-gear-track

1: I never said F1 couldnt improve its Tsukuba laptime

You asked me to see the F1 forum page to know why F1 is slower than modern cars and in that you said you wouldn't even see a second.

I will use that because im not loosing the argument that the F1 is faster then CGT, Enzo, Scuderia, 599, You would have to be a fool to think a Carrera GT or Enzo

How do you know F1 is slower than CGT or Enzo,have you driven them all?So according to your logic just because a car is older means it automatically becomes slower.

And stop bringing LP500 in the argument,it is irrelevent.See that acceleration is significantly slower than car you said but this is not a case at all with F1.
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/ggu46zkm3frt

Besides the article of F1 vs CGT at goodwood clearly says

The Carrera GT is one of the best sportscar ever made.But the Mclaren is significantly faster and more special.Which is a result that should neither surprise nor offend anybody.
The F1 was never meant or known to have amazing handling

Again wrong ever read any review of F1
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/mclaren-f1-road-test-review-car-and-driver1994-mclaren-f1-archived-road-test.pdf
Article clearly says lateral g's begin to build up long before F1 loses adhesionAnd Handling?You won't find a finer supercar chassis in the world.Road and Track Said "It rides like a car on slick without the jerkiness"Tiff Needell said the handling is superb at 7:26 o this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Azl-drqMk

1: I never said F1 couldnt improve its Tsukuba laptime, And just because a driver is a "Pro" that doesnt mean there isnt somebody better, So what does that make them? And so on and so on.

2: I will use that because im not loosing the argument that the F1 is faster then CGT, Enzo, Scuderia, 599, You would have to be a fool to think a Carrera GT or Enzo is slower then an F1. Thas like saying an LP5000 QV is faster then a 993 GT2.

3: So? SImply because a car has snap oversteer or some oversteer doesnt mean they have bad handling, Theres no car that has perfect handling, And all cars will have some kind of negative steer if pushed hard enough, The F1 was never meant or known to have amazing handling, But again handling is subjective, And Hockenheim is certainly not an all power track, Theres maybe 1 straight where the more powerful cars can really catch up, The other 2 are damn near negligible.

4: We have come along way from handling in the early 2000s, And that goes the same comparing them to the early 90s.

Lol the CGT posted a 1:08.6 at Hockenheim short, and held the Balocco lap record for centuries beating the Mclaren 12C, 991 GT3, Ferrari 458. Bad handling?

First of all I am highly suspicious that CGT was stock at hockenheim or balocco track and hockenheim is power track.As for comparision with MP4,458 Italia it would get beaten in stock form.
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/jt80diorufuk

If your gonna bring that argument then I can say that F1 held the record for Estoril circuit for more than 10 years till it was beaten by R35 GTRs and still beats 458 Italia.But again I doubt that F1 was stock.

The Porsche gt2 which raced along the F40/F50 posted a time only 1sec slower than the CGT, does the Hockenheim in 1:14.X. Which is slower than hot hatches for crying out loud.

I can see that you are a Porsche fan thats why you are defending it.By the way who was the driver who did 1:14 at hockenheim?Was he a racing driver?

So can I say, the M4 beats the GT2, which means m4 beats the CGT?
You would need more than a magazine driver to extract max potential from GT2.

The most logic answer is.... Few cars have been properly tested at Suzuka and the lap done in the CGT on that occasion was just... Bad.

But then I like how you guys claim F1 can't do topgear track in less than 1;21,F1 can't improve its tsukuba lap,F1 won't beat a 599 GTB when lap times say the opposite.But I agree with you guys saying F1 won't beat the likes of MP4-12c,458 Italia and other modern cars.

BM actually races with multiple people on the track all with different skill and style, So that there can have a drastic difference on times

But one thing they all have in common is that they are pro driver who have good racing history unlike other magazines.And if you say that then you are contradicting the fact which you said F1 can't improve its tsukuba lap even by a second
https://fastestlaps.com/tests/lu3kap43z2oo

And Suzuka laptimes are all over the place, I really wouldnt use BM as something to compare laptimes, Atleast not on Tsukuba or Suzuka.

You won't use that because you are losing the argument of CGT,CCX,599 GTB,430 Scuderia and Enzo being faster than F1.When the facts and lap times I showed said the opposite.

As for Enzo and Carrera GT, Those 2 cars were praised for there handling, Specially the Carrera GT, Now which one has better handling?

CGT was known to have snap over steer and Enzo also had a bit of oversteer as for Mclaren F1 it has a twitchy handling and heavy steering from my driving experience.But those cars were known to have good handling in the early 2000s and we have come a long way from that.
On the not of CGT's handling,didn't you see Gan San's review which I posted?Even if they have good handling,it is clear that LP560-4,GTR,2-Eleven,Exige S V6,991 Turbo S,R8(which was slower than F1 with same driver Naoki Hattori) Have better handling than CGT and Enzo.
Here is the comparision(see lap times at Vairano,Figure 8)
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/erbfl5a49o

Lol the CGT posted a 1:08.6 at Hockenheim short, and held the Balocco lap record for centuries beating the Mclaren 12C, 991 GT3, Ferrari 458. Bad handling?

The Porsche gt2 which raced along the F40/F50 posted a time only 1sec slower than the CGT, does the Hockenheim in 1:14.X. Which is slower than hot hatches for crying out loud.

So can I say, the M4 beats the GT2, which means m4 beats the CGT?

The most logic answer is.... Few cars have been properly tested at Suzuka and the lap done in the CGT on that occasion was just... Bad.

Every lap can be suspicious to anybody really, Laguna Seca itself is a track that has many variables, Practically every car tested there has a different laptime thats not as comparable as other tracks, Tsukuba is another, 300bhp cars are barely off from 500bhp cars, Plus BM has some "Questionable" laptimes as well, But unlike damn near everyone, BM actually races with multiple people on the track all with different skill and style, So that there can have a drastic difference on times, And Suzuka laptimes are all over the place, I really wouldnt use BM as something to compare laptimes, Atleast not on Tsukuba or Suzuka.

As for Enzo and Carrera GT, Those 2 cars were praised for there handling, Specially the Carrera GT, Now which one has better handling? Dunno, Handling is as subjective as ones favorite color, And simply because one person say it has better handling, Doesnt mean itll make the faster time, Same goes for pretty much anything involving a laptime.

CGT and Enzo meant to be slower than F40 and F50? Wtf?

But again, you said downforce has nothing to do with lateral grip. Why am I still surprised.

You seriously need to brush up your interpretation skills since you misinterpret every time when it isn't what you agree to.

I said your 5G thing doesn't have anything to do with downforce BECAUSE CARS DON'T HAVE SAME MECHANICAL GRIP ON EVERY TRACK AND EVERY SURFACE.

As for CGT being slower than F40 and F50 at Suzuka,it is a fact and not to mention Suzuka at f40s time had slower final chicane.
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/r7oohraz4n44

And you don't say Gan San is a bad driver do you.Here is the video of the test and conditions were clearly good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=259g81XADfo

And Enzo is slower than CGT
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/7jl4ilv9un9b

And as for their Tsukuba lap,do you guys seriously think that it would beat a good handling car like
Lotus 2 Eleven which does only 1:04.24,

Exige S(V6) which does 1;04.33 you should know that Tsukuba track is all about handling.

Even Gallardo LP560-4 does only 1:03.23 which arguably has better lap time than both CGT and Enzo at Vairano by around 2s.

Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI (Mk I) which does 1:04.84 and is faster than both CGT and Enzo at fiorano.

You can see at almost all the handling track both CGT and Enzo are very slow.
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/vairano-handling-course
So what makes you think it can do better than 1:04s at tsukuba.