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BMW M3 (F80)

Twin Turbo Inline-6, 24v
431 ps (425 bhp)
550 Nm (406 lb-ft)
1589 kg (3503 lbs)
271 ps / tonne
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Alfa Romeo Giulia QV

Twin Turbo V6
510 ps (503 bhp)
1703 kg (3754 lbs)
299 ps / tonne

Performance

  M3Giulia QV
Kerb weight
Top speed 280 kph (174 mph)307 kph (191 mph)
0 - 50 kph 1.6 s1.7 s
0 - 100 kph 4.1 s3.8 s
0 - 130 kph 6.0 s5.7 s
0 - 160 kph 8.5 s7.9 s
0 - 200 kph 13.3 s12.3 s
0 - 60 mph 3.8 s3.6 s
0 - 100 mph 8.5 s8.1 s
0 - 150 mph 20.8 s19.9 s
Est. 1/8 mile 8.1 s @ 96.3 mph7.8 s @ 97.6 mph
1/4 mile 12.0 s @ 119.3 mph11.8 s
1000 m 22.2 s @ 243.5 kph21.6 s
Est. 100 - 200 kph 9.2 s8.5 s
100 kph - 0 33 m (107 ft)31 m (102 ft)
140 kph - 0 67 m (219 ft)70 m (228 ft)
200 kph - 0 134 m (438 ft)126 m (415 ft)
60 mph - 0 30 m (99 ft)30 m (100 ft)
70 mph - 0 46 m (150 ft)42 m (138 ft)
18m slalom 67.7 kph (42.1 mph)70.6 kph (43.9 mph)
Fuel economy 10.0 l/100 km (24 mpg US / 28 mpg UK)9.8 l/100 km (24 mpg US / 29 mpg UK)
Lateral acceleration 1.01 g (10 m/s²)1.17 g (11 m/s²)

Summary

  M3Giulia QV
Track Performance 596582
Straight line speed 20632366
Total 26592948

Verdict

Giulia QV is the fastest by a small margin.

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Alfista   2y ago

Giulia QV it's faster sedan into words ????????????
bmw m3 it's faster sedan in Germany ????


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PPZC  2y ago

Holy f*ck the Giulia is such a piece of shit.
First RWD saloon by Alfa in 2 decades yet it's an overweight and overpriced V6 sedan that can't even compete with the base M3 from 2011 despite running on semi slicks LMFAO


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DrDuke  2y ago

why is the QV ebola drome laptime not marked as wet in the comparison? It's correct on the QV page.


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cosimo  2y ago

honda is for losers and losers only buy honda's and praise them :)


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BR2+  2y ago

You could neglect a Honda for 4569 years in the water on Titan, And would still run better then 99999% better then ery car on the road...

Also...How many Alfa do you see at track days?....exactly, I frequently do every end of the month, And there are more a american cars there then Alfa, and I'm Inot the uk....


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DrDuke  2y ago

Saxy maybe you should watch some historical racing series videos. There are so many alfas running because they are cheap to run and reliable. Beside the fact that they are pretty fast for their bhps and weight.

Alfa has mainly two kind of customers: ppl that like to have a car who survives hard driving and ppl that d'like to have a nice looking car. The first of them know how to care their car the second maybe not. Another big factor is the quality of your mechanic - this goes for all brands.

99% of all drivers (maybe even true for so called car nuts) out there don't drive their car really hard. Just let's say if you never see your brake pads smoking and smell them you don't. How should these people be a reliable source? Most of them running glazed pads because they never ever brake hard. So maybe you should start to drive hard and make your own experiences.

By the way my dad was once rally driver and he owned a lot of alfas so far. I mentioned only my two cars before.


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saxy  2y ago

Nice logic. If I told you I drove an Alfa before does that qualify me to be an expert in personal experience with Alfa reliability? This fanboy is so butthurt lol

And may I turn to the 2nd hand market. Alfas are dropping to 1/3 of their price after just 3 years in my country. Boy if you say they are that reliable then 2nd alfas are the best deals in the world


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priorty  2y ago

@saxy

Have you ever driven any Alfa? I guess the answer is "No". That's why you write this bullshits about reliability of Alfas. You've got world-wide statistics that says that Alfa's diesels are the most reliable diesel engines recently produced. They sold millions of 1.6 jtdm and 2.0 jtdm that appear under the bonnets of Fiat, Opel, Alfa and Ram. Those engines are known from reliability up to 500 000 km (with no turbo and direct injection system replecement). The similar story goes for turbocharged pethrol engines from Alfa. Both 1.4 tbi and 1.7 tbi are among the most reliable turbocharged engines on the market. You would know that, if you weren't so biased and took a look at some stats from Europe, where most of Fiat and Alfa products are sold.


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saxy  2y ago

German cars have never been reliable, but Alfas are even worst. That is a fact. I don't care if ONE person managed to get lucky and had 2 decent cars. That means absolutely nothing when comparing to a country or world-wide ownership studies.

It's exactly the same thing with a few Americans who claim their american car ran for 200,000 miles or something, so all American cars must be as reliable as Toyota or Honda....


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Priorty  2y ago

@ppz Alfa had been mastering in motor sports long before BMW did. Alfa also did the very first sports sedan at the market. Deal with it.

However German fairly tales refers to reliability stats in which Alfa belongs to the most unreliable cars. And this is plain bullshit since Alfa did reliable cars since 147 and 159 model.

Most of reliability reports are piece of junk. I wrote what wrong with tuv and ADAC few posts below. JD power muddies a water since they score down cars for functions that works in other way than user expected. What does it supposed to mean? That car is unintuitive in some way? Great but for who? For frequent user of fca products?

Other consumer satisfaction reports uses broad notion of problem and measures only a volume of problems without applying any weight to them. Hence you may get a car that burn engine oil due to faulty design of pistons ring scoring better than some fiat that have two problems : one with window seal and second with AC controls. As you see most of reliability reports are piece of bullshit


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PPZ  2y ago

What German fairy tales?
BMW was building Isettas in the 1950's but BMW has been producing sports cars since the 1930's.


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DrDuke  2y ago

Well I own a 147 1.9 JTD with over 253000 km no significant repair costs up to date. Never had to give him oil between service intervals. No engine parts replaced. It has a chip tuning (over 400Nm and 170ps), a modified clutch, strut brace and a Q2 locking differential.
My second car is an Alfa 90 2.5 v6 with 230000 km - it was my first car and its still running very well. The cylinder head is from the 3.0 engine everything else is original. Even the double disc clutch is the first one.

Don't be fool to belive german fairy tales. When Alfa introduced the first Giulia BMW builded still Isettas. Which was also an italian design but nobody in italy d'liked to mass produce it.


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saxy  2y ago

https://www.google.com.hk/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/autos/street-smarts/consumer-reports-10-unreliable-car-brands-article-1.2848900

Bottom 4 brands are all FCA. Alfa isn't included because, they are barely represented in the states.

I heard that for top gear they went through some 4 Alfas for the quadrofolgio test/video. It could be just a rumour


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priorty  2y ago

@saxy: Which consumer reports? At the moment Alfa sells most of its cars in Europe, where we've got two major reliability reports: ADAC and TUV.

First one base on number of situation when car owners in Germany needed a help on a road, but any brand may pay for oversighting their calls in stats as Mercedes Bezn and Volkswagen indeed did.

TUV bases its statistics on outcomes of registration technical reviews. So it says something about a state in which cars attempt to pass technical review, but it says nothing about what have happened earlier. Hence you've got high VW's TSI engine reliability in TUV stats, even though owners have to pay thousands of euros for repairing these faulty engines. Same goes for my BMW 428i. Great in TUV and ADAC stats and unrealiable in reality (direct injection system was replaced after 60 000 km, engine's head - after 100 000 km).


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saxy  2y ago

Alfas being reliable for the past 10 years?
Funny you say that because a quick check with consumer reports, the Fiat Chrysler family of cars earned bottom rock for 2 years in a row, 2015 and 2016.

Did u mean that 2017, they suddenly became top notch reliability?


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BR2+  2y ago

...How is it much faster exactly?...And better handling?


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priorty  2y ago

@Fastestlaps: As true BMW lover I need to say that Alfa is much faster and better hadnling car than m3 and m4. It's really hard to pretend it's not.

BTW, You rely your opinion on Giulia's reliabity just on a prejudice which mostly came from mechanical problems of TS pethrol engines. Since model 159 it's hard to find any electronical issues in Alfa Romeos. To find electronically unreliable Alfa you need to refer back to 156, but that was over 10 years ago. Moreover the whole family of Alfa new turbocharged pethrol engines proves to be exceptionally realible as compared to what modern market offers. Both 1.4 TBi and 1.7 TBi are superb in terms of reliability, numerous research support that. I would expect more issues from VW TSI engines. My 2.0 TSI 211 HP required crank and pistons replacement after 70k km due to high engine oil consumption (over 1 litre/1000 km). I haven't also had a good experience with new BMW 2.0 Turbo 245 HP which required the head replacement after 150k km in model 328i. Along that time my friend did 200k km in Giuletta 1.7 TBi 240 HP with nearly no issues. The only one was related to ingition coil. But its replacement was relatively cheap.

For these reasons I find no arguments for 2.9 V6 ureliability as well as for 2.0 TBi 280 HP unreliability. Of course, diesel engines from Alfa are much more reliabie, but it's well known fact since 1997. Even 156 had no mechnical issues if you chose a diesel engine.


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rizzy+  2y ago

Meh for the price of this thing I could grab a fully loaded 40k Skoda superB L& K and a Radical SR8 LM from racecarsdirect.com race or street legal don't matter.


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FastestLaps  2y ago

For me the only potential issue with taking Giulia over 3-series would be quality (reliability and quality = almost same thing).

Just the feel of the materials, how the plastics feel, all the trim pieces, how they fit together etc. It's a big deal for me persoanlly. Sound insulation is another thing, and often they (fit & finish and cabin noise) go hand in hand.

Haven't sat in a Giulia, don't know how good it is. But in terms of performance and exclusivity and "interesting-ness", Giulia already wins. At least as far as M3 vs QV. Regular range models might be different, you have to look at each trim level individually and how Italian diesel engines compare to BMW in terms of costs and reliability.

Buying a car is so damn difficult if you want to get it absolutely right. Heck, even buying a smartphone these days is complicated if you take all things into consideration.

Consumer research is almost like a true science these days, with so many products on offer in all product categories.


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saxy  2y ago

Where I live is always behind compared to the rest of the world. No info, and no way of ordering the Guilia yet. I am curious how the prices stack. And I'm also curious about the reliability.