https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/zzd8ae3a5rbi I am 7 years late 😂, but on this evidence, the Porsche was still the slightly faster car, so the fastest 4 door at the time.

I beat M3 with my old alfa 159

Lol, Top Gear?, which allowed Pagani to swap to hand cut slick tyres for the lap record in the Huyara, when in reality it has proved to be much, much slower than its competitors.

....it beat the M3 by a damned fender, That's really nothing to gloat about, And again, 60 more advertised bhp, R-Comps, It's nothing to get excited about, Is it great car? He'll yes Is it a better car? Who knows, Is it a faster car? Questionable, But again this lap, Or any of its laps t be honest are nothing to wet your knickers at.

Don't know where the 2 seconds came from. If I read the results (sorry for auto correct in previous message)

don't know Where the 2 seconde cake grom, of i read the results I see 2 10th of a second difference. But the fact is that the Alfa guilia is faster round the track than the BMW m3. At that time it was driven. However, a damn fine prestige for a car that weighs probably a couple kilo's more than its competitors.

Get over it Porsche fans. The Giulia is faster than the Panamera and is a damn sight better looking. In my book the Panamera is irritatingly ugly.

Manone, at Laguna seca, the C2S some several seconds faster than the C63s, ATS-V, and M3, which all produce comparable times with the Guilia. In fact, it's even faster than the M4 GTS.

Answer is simple, the C2S time for the ring is very conservative. That's all.

Alfa????????????????

changing suspensions and changing camber are two different things.

@manonw You can tell them what you want they still wont believe you. They saw the video and it needs to be true. it is fast but not that fast. Like you can change camber setting and tires to make a car faster whic you cant notice that easy small example manthay gt3 rs did 1:05:8 on hockenheim which is faster than 918 and faster than a stock rs(2.7s) by changing negativ camber(manthay suspension) from 1.xx to 3.5 degree its that easy to make a car faster

Do you really believe that the alfa is 2 seconds slower on the nordschleife than a 991.2 S c'mon it is almost 3s slower on hockenheim and only 2s on the n-schleife

go figure: when i have seen sportauto's hockenheim time, i immediately said "do you really believe alfa qv is 3 seconds slower than porsche 911.2S in a 1 minute track, when it is just 2 secs slower in a 7 minute track?"

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You didnt insult me husar did you are cool of cours every brand cheats like we can all discuss normally

I'm not insult you but it's very boring that every time somebody want to explain in which way that car manufacturer lie about top speed, weight, track times, acceleration, engine, hp ecc ecc...
If panamera run on Nurburgring in 5 minutes...good for Porsche, end of story...
This is exactly the same problem with hypercars and 918's time...

Im not a fanboy i dont care if the bmw porsche audi alfa or any other car is faster but you need to look at the facts the alfa is so fast because it has semis thats the fact but you cant say that an 1.7t heavy alfa is 2 seconds slower than a 991s you guys probably shouldnt believe anything you see and tell me why i should believe that the alfa is so fast (7:32) it hasnt any special tech details and tell me why it is only on the schleife faster then others and not on other racetracks. And the other manufactures could have used semis too but semis arent tires for daily cars like m3 rs4 c63 thats why they dont use them the advantage isnt that big between corsas and mpss but there is a advantage. Why do you need to insult somebody husar discuss like sombody normal or cant you stand the fact that somebody proofed you wrong. If you want to be fast on a racetrack you dont buy a sedan you buy a sportscar

You can either deal with the fact that the QV is the fastest saloon or you can continue behaving like an autistic crybaby... Oh boohoo, the Alfa had better tires... So what? Nobody forced the Panamera to drive on normal tires, not to mention the Panamera had a friggin roll cage in it. And for the M3 part, Michelin tires are superior to Pirellis, so I don't think the advantage was that big. Maybe if you don't believe the Alfas lap you are the one who doesn't know anything about cars.

First, I don't see semislick tires...the other part of the message is obviously a fanboy idea...impossible to reply...

But nevermind the alfa has lost on other tracks with its semi slicks to the m3 ( competiton) which had no semi slicks just an example an e92 m3 is as fast as an f80 on hockenheim with slicks is the e92 now faster than the f80

You dont understand no one said its fake but if i need to put semi slicks on a car to be faster than a car without them you cant say it is faster when the other car doesnt have tires as good as the competitor