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manone  1w  

changing suspensions and changing camber are two different things.


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Have a nice day  1w  

@manonw You can tell them what you want they still wont believe you. They saw the video and it needs to be true. it is fast but not that fast. Like you can change camber setting and tires to make a car faster whic you cant notice that easy small example manthay gt3 rs did 1:05:8 on hockenheim which is faster than 918 and faster than a stock rs(2.7s) by changing negativ camber(manthay suspension) from 1.xx to 3.5 degree its that easy to make a car faster


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manone  1w  

Do you really believe that the alfa is 2 seconds slower on the nordschleife than a 991.2 S c'mon it is almost 3s slower on hockenheim and only 2s on the n-schleife

go figure: when i have seen sportauto's hockenheim time, i immediately said "do you really believe alfa qv is 3 seconds slower than porsche 911.2S in a 1 minute track, when it is just 2 secs slower in a 7 minute track?"


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cosimo  1w  

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Have a nice day  1w  

You didnt insult me husar did you are cool of cours every brand cheats like we can all discuss normally


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Newboy   1w  

I'm not insult you but it's very boring that every time somebody want to explain in which way that car manufacturer lie about top speed, weight, track times, acceleration, engine, hp ecc ecc...
If panamera run on Nurburgring in 5 minutes...good for Porsche, end of story...
This is exactly the same problem with hypercars and 918's time...


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Have a nice day  1w  

Im not a fanboy i dont care if the bmw porsche audi alfa or any other car is faster but you need to look at the facts the alfa is so fast because it has semis thats the fact but you cant say that an 1.7t heavy alfa is 2 seconds slower than a 991s you guys probably shouldnt believe anything you see and tell me why i should believe that the alfa is so fast (7:32) it hasnt any special tech details and tell me why it is only on the schleife faster then others and not on other racetracks. And the other manufactures could have used semis too but semis arent tires for daily cars like m3 rs4 c63 thats why they dont use them the advantage isnt that big between corsas and mpss but there is a advantage. Why do you need to insult somebody husar discuss like sombody normal or cant you stand the fact that somebody proofed you wrong. If you want to be fast on a racetrack you dont buy a sedan you buy a sportscar


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Husar  1w  

You can either deal with the fact that the QV is the fastest saloon or you can continue behaving like an autistic crybaby... Oh boohoo, the Alfa had better tires... So what? Nobody forced the Panamera to drive on normal tires, not to mention the Panamera had a friggin roll cage in it. And for the M3 part, Michelin tires are superior to Pirellis, so I don't think the advantage was that big. Maybe if you don't believe the Alfas lap you are the one who doesn't know anything about cars.


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Newboy  1w  

First, I don't see semislick tires...the other part of the message is obviously a fanboy idea...impossible to reply...


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Have a nice day  1w  

But nevermind the alfa has lost on other tracks with its semi slicks to the m3 ( competiton) which had no semi slicks just an example an e92 m3 is as fast as an f80 on hockenheim with slicks is the e92 now faster than the f80


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Have a nice day  1w  

You dont understand no one said its fake but if i need to put semi slicks on a car to be faster than a car without them you cant say it is faster when the other car doesnt have tires as good as the competitor


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Newboy  1w  

Same story as always...if the car x is slower it's for the tires...if it's fastest...oh my...fake!!
Pzero's on the Alfa are like trofeo r now...ok..


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Have a nice day  2w  

And whoever believes that the alfas nordschleife lap is true needs to learn a little bit more about cars. Do you really believe that the alfa is 2 seconds slower on the nordschleife than a 991.2 S c'mon it is almost 3s slower on hockenheim and only 2s on the n-schleife


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Have a nice day  2w  

The alfa isnt faster than the m3 because it uses pirelli corsas while the m3 uses mss( non-semi-slicks) so you cant say that it is faster when they dont use tires with the same grip-level


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saxy  2w  

Bisicone because laptimes are not outright indicators. Put Usain bolt in my heavy steel tipped Dr Marten boots and I on my sprinting shoes, even I can beat him. Does that mean I am faster or at least nearly as fast as him?

The Guilia was on semislick tires while the Panamera was on plain tires. The difference between the cars should be much closer to the point no one knows for sure. If it were formula 1 on the same track same day same tires, then laptimes could tell u a lot more


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jerome  2w  

the panamera turbo s e hybrid executive will be the world's fastest limousine at 5+ meters long


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FastestLaps  2w  

I think they (Panamera and QV) are close enough (with each having its own strengths) to make it debatable, which one of the two really is "the fastest 4 door car in the world".

Hybrid Turbo S is not out yet and has no numbers, therefore it doesn't qualify. Yet.


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FastestLaps  2w  

That's just my opinion, maybe I am "funny". But if you look at the comparison http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/zzd8ae3a5rbi clearly you can see a lot of numbers in favor of Panamera. So maybe I am not that delusional.


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biscione  2w  

People who thinks their "convictions" are stronger than numbers are always funny.
Giulia is faster than Panamera Turbo on two tracks out of three. That's a fact.
Opinions are senseless.


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FastestLaps  2w  

Turbo S is, of course, much faster, but I think the regular Turbo is faster overall as well.