62 McLaren P1 LM laps Nürburgring in 6:43.20

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Lazante Motorsport have published onboard video of McLaren P1 LM lapping Nürburgring in record-breaking 6 minutes and 43 seconds, beating likes of Huracán Performante and Porsche 918 Spyder.

Lazante are responsible for creating the road legal version of McLaren P1 GTR, which they call "P1 LM". This is the same group that created LeMans winning McLaren F1 LM.

P1 GTR's used for LM conversions were specifically supplied by McLaren and the whole "P1 LM operation" has been supported by McLaren. Therefore it is reasonable to argue that P1 LM is indeed a real road car and not a "tuner project".

What bothers me about this record is the use of term "prototype" in Lazante's own description of how the 6:43 came about:

Over the past eleven months, as the five P1 LM production cars have been built, the identical prototype XP1LM road car has been testing. During the final phases at Nurburgring Nordschleife, XP1LM achieved a fastest lap of 6.43.2.

Is this another case of "preproduction" or "prototype" lap records being served up to the public as real production car records? Is this yet another Nürburgring record to ignore?

5m ago by FastestLaps
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moegigo  2m ago

It's not only that they modify the rules so that it suits for them. No they also start the lap wherever they want to break the record. The P1 LM started the laptime later than NIO, which doesn't mean I see NIO as an official record holder. But I think it's another example how shaky the rules are..(if there is any...)

Feel free to watch the comparison:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZpnf02yXZo&feature=youtu.be

 

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Trevor1313  2m ago

Thank you, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.


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Martin  5m ago

fastest lap for the 20,600m race, NIO EV is still No:1 with 20,832m@6:45:90 ! Just check the average speed.

 

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I love cars  5m ago

Nio EP9 did it with no road legal tyres, while the P1 LM went home in UK on its own after having set the record.

The EP9 is still amazing anyway.


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BR2+  5m ago

Oh great, ole boy is back only for this car, Shoulda just kept my mouth shut, Now we started something.....again, Everyone take cover for what's about to come...

 

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cosimo  5m ago

why don't you shut your mouth and take a day or two off ?

what the hell is wrong with you ? what are you ? a hillary supporter ? need a candy and an obama mask ?

don't like other peoples opinions and facts ? always calling for your girlie bf saxy the pest to intervene to pull you out of these tight situations.

if it ain't so, then stfu and give others a chance to speak up. because we know you're the last person to even bring up the bs super sticky custom tires por-shush and chevy are using on their test cars.


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BR2+  5m ago @cosimo

Are you going to make me?

..That's what I thought.


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cosimo  5m ago @BR2+

it shows how much hatred and bigotry you hold against other cars you dislike and can't admit they are faster than your cheating plastic dream box cars


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BR2+  5m ago @cosimo

Like I said, That's what I thought.


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cosimo  5m ago @BR2+

you thought wrong hater!


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BR2+  5m ago @cosimo

Like i said, That's what I thought..


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cosimo  5m ago @BR2+

you thought wrong again hater!


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BR2+  5m ago @cosimo

Like I said, What are you going to do about it?...

Like...I...Thought...Again,...Over....And...Over...Again


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cosimo  5m ago @BR2+

nope, you're wrong again butthead lol


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DillonW  5m ago @cosimo

You 2 should get banned.


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BR2+  5m ago @cosimo

So do something about it...

That's what I thought.


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DilllonW  5m ago @BR2+

How is he going to do something about it on the internet?

You can't do anything to him either. Case closed.


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BR2+  5m ago @DilllonW

1: You havent been here long enough to understand

2: Thats what i thought.


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cosimo  5m ago @BR2+

you're butthurt and continue to remain the old butthead from obama and hillary days


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BR2+  5m ago @cosimo

That, Is, What i thought.


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sroser  5m ago

And why should the term 'prototype' bother you, when it's preceded by the word 'identical'? Also a number of other factual errors. The F1 GTR won LeMans, not the F1 LM.

 

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FastestLaps  5m ago

It does bother me. The prefix "identical" makes it even worse, because it highlights the fact that they had to use the term "prototype" even though the car was seemingly "identical".

Why call it a prototype when its "identical" to the real thing?

Anyway, since I already jumped the gun and added the Goodwood time, i might have to add this too.


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I love cars  5m ago @FastestLaps

Because they were building the other 5 and the pre-built XPLM "prototype" was the the only one they could use?

Also, since you talk about Goodwood I am sure you noticed that the car at the time had a much smaller rear wing (which was the one of the P1 GTR) compared to what it displays now: this is what testing is all about, i.e. developing the brand new parts which are unique just for the 5 P1 LM which meanwhile were being built.

The Nurburgring time is completely legit and should be added.
Also, many of the specifications of the P1 LM profile are missing and those which are present are wrong (like the displacement and the power). Someone must change it.


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sroser  5m ago @FastestLaps

FastestLaps - Because prototypes are generally used for testing. In aviation terminology, there are currently 7 Eurofighter IPAXs (Integration Prototype Aircraft number Xs), which are completely identical to those flying in air forces, but are used for testing new stores and avionics. It's a prototype simply because it's not for sale. For historical reference, all the speed records set by the F1 were done with a prototype and the 918 'ring record was set with a non-identical prototype (fixed roof, different battery discharge rate). Even fan boys have stated that the production model is faster (on shorter tracks). The Agera One:1 the factory uses is a prototype that fits the description of nearly identical and as a one-off so far, the Nio EP9 is certainly a prototype, in fact that's what the 'P' stands for.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/nio-ep9-electric-supercar-first-several-new-nextev-models


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sroser  5m ago

There is little data on the conversion Lanzante did after the fact. However, McLaren said the development work was essentially completed with those earlier conversions. So the official LM could not have features significantly didferent from the converted GTR as that would be an additional significant development.
Of course McLaren could have authorised a run of 30 LMs which would have been much simpler.

Completely wrong, take the engine. P1 GTR - 3.8L, P1 LM - 4.0L. Time should be added, especially when we have modified times and low volume track cars added elsewhere. And since we're on the subject of pre-production laps. You mean like the 918 lap with a battery that lasted 3 times longer than the one on the production car, and a fixed roof?

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Fastedee  5m ago

It's funny how McLaren,Aston and Ferrari will let SportAuto do slowpoke laps of their lesser cars but the Vulcan P1 and LaFerrari? ....Well that's another matter.

 

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joe p  5m ago

funny how?


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Hans Batter  5m ago

We should have a popular racing series with street legal cars on street legal tyres. And the category regulations should include the price of the cars, for example category up to 30 000/ 50 000 etc. Euro.

That would be fun to watch!

 

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Fastedee  5m ago

Focus RS vs slightly beatbup 928 s4.
RCZ R vs 328. Could be cool.


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Fastedee  5m ago

There is little data on the conversion Lanzante did after the fact. However, McLaren said the development work was essentially completed with those earlier conversions. So the official LM could not have features significantly didferent from the converted GTR as that would be an additional significant development.
Of course McLaren could have authorised a run of 30 LMs which would have been much simpler.

 

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I love cars  5m ago

Data is there and it is a lot.
Compared to the P1 GTR (being the track only one or the road converted one it doesn't matter, the LM is superior to both), the LM has:

  • more downforce
  • bigger displacement
  • more power
  • more torque
  • less weight
  • new wheels
  • new tyres developed by Pirelli.

Here's the official car specification from the press release:

https://www.motor1.com/news/146750/mclaren-p1-lm-record-nurburgring-lap/

Now, few more details..

  • P1 GTR seat:

http://techdrive.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/mclaren-p1-gtr-geneva-motor-show-2015-19.jpg

  • Road legal P1 GTR seats:

http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2017/04/2016-McLaren-P1-GTR-RM-Sothebys-Interior.jpg

  • P1 LM seats (dervied from those of the F1 LM):

https://ag-spots-2017.o.auroraobjects.eu/2017/01/04/mclaren-p1-lm-c807604012017092730_7.jpg

These cars are different in so many ways it's not even funny...
And the LM is the fastest P1 of all.


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Fastedee  5m ago @I love cars

Littlevabout legal GTR just the 132 lbs shaved off both legalised GTR and Lanzante from track only GTR. Seats different style. Road & Track has a lot more data about the LM. Looks like there was a weight saving albeit with different seats in the legal GTR.
The F1 seats just lend a sense of legacy.


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Rick  5m ago

I feel sorry for the Viper ACR. A group of folks set up a fund to bring the new Viper back to the ring to take back the record.

But back when the fund was started the benchmark was the 917. There's pretty much no chance it will beat this time.

 

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Rick  5m ago

Correction, 918.


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BR2+  5m ago

.....They were never going to the Ring, If they did we would have had a record long ago, So there's no reason to feel sorry


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sroser  5m ago

The P1 LM is not an homologated P1 GTR either for those fools claiming it is.

And is it any less of a road car than a Radical SR8 LM?


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sroser  5m ago

Grass is too green, it was faked.

 

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I love cars  5m ago

They were at the Ring 3 weeks ago...

https://www.instagram.com/the_real_lanzante/

The time was set there.


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Hans Batter  5m ago

After reading the description I have to say there are not 25 cars made. "five P1 LM production cars have been built". And the car that made the record was a protoype.
Therefore we should ignore it until we have further informations (prototype with exact same specifications) / 25 build.

It's getting F** intransparent here at Nordschleife

 

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FastestLaps  5m ago

Hans I agree with you 100%. It's getting worse, as far as shady lap records.

In this case there is NO DOUBT that the car is capable of this laptime. But the prototype thing is alarming.


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BR2+  5m ago @FastestLaps

Yup, It's not a production car by any means, 5 built, a definetly not, And McLaren has always used XP# to designatell there prototype cars, They plainly put it on the same side and spot for there cars in full view, Even back in the early 90s for the F1.

They did the run yes, No question, It's no production car, Again that isn't a problem at all, They built it it's there no problem, Only problem is, The prototype problem, Is it like that 100% When customers get it? Given its an XP I highly doubt it.

Keep or delete? I don't care either way as a member, As for legitimacy, I'd say delete since it's n XP, If it's not, Dont


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I love cars  5m ago

@saxy

The road legal P1 GTR are more than 5, Lanzante just homologated them, but McLaren built them.

This is a road legal P1 GTR:

http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/images/2016/05/Road-Legal-McLaren-P1-GTR-0.jpg

They are the same as a P1 GTR, only with a license plate.
Like the track-only P1 GTR, they are heavier, less powerful, slower and with less downforce compared to the P1 LM.

The P1 LM are only 5 and their chassis was built directly by Lanzante, NOT converted: they have the new 4 liter engine, completely different areo developed by Lanzante, different seats, different wheels and different turbos.
They are only 5 and they were already sold a long ago.

This is a P1 LM:

https://images.cdn.circlesix.co/image/1/1000/0/uploads/posts/2017/05/2d62736670e150c88c3f55a945aa3b44.jpg

The XP1LM is just the protorype of the P1 LM which they used to test all the modifications they (Lanzante) brought to the car.

Come on guys, the information is just out there and not that hard to get.


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BR2+  5m ago

Yet no number from a Normal P1.......After all these YEARS....

 

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FastestLaps  5m ago

These 1000 hp hypercars are actually deadly dangerous to hotlap at N-ring. Especially if you really go for marginal gains and best time possible. There is no time for regular P1, no time for LaF, no time for Koenigsegg and the list goes on.

918 is a bit safer because of 4WD, but not by much really, it's still lethally fast in a no-runoff, undulating hi-speed street circuit. But it is clearly that Porsche test driver didn't want to die and Porsche didn't want to trash many 918s, because there is lots of room for improvement as far as laptime - 918 is much faster than Performante.


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Steve  5m ago

The time was probably 6:58 - 6:59.9


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BR2+  5m ago @FastestLaps

If one is going for a record and all out, This is no more dangerous then a Honda Accord, Your going fast and pushing the limits either way. But a lot of people don't get Ring times, Because of what they do to get them, But more importantly how


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AlMillin  4m ago @FastestLaps

There's no question the Porsche out accelerates the Performante given its far superior power to weight ratio but until someone beats the Performante 6:52 time your claim that it's much faster than the Performante is a nonsense.


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Fastedee  5m ago

They are essentially the same as they are all from Lanzante and McLaren felt the development work was done with the earlier kit. The kit also increased downforce and reduced weight while making the car legal. If the kit conversions were not considered the same there'd only be 6 LMs which would invalidate the lap.
A 6:43 should be easy for a car lighter than the GTR with more downforce.
The base p1 itself should be a 7 minute flat car at most.


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Fastedee  5m ago

They're road legal and Lanzante converted a few dozen GTRs which will be considered LMs retroactively before the 6(5+1) official LMs which are also by Lanzante. So they've covered all the bases to beat that bs Nio lap which should never have counted at all.


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QA51M  5m ago

P1LM is not same as road legal P1 GTR. This should be acceptable but written as a lazante instead of a mclaren. This car is as production ready as the mcalren f1 lm

 

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FastestLaps  5m ago

In that case McLaren F1 LM should be called "Lazante F1 LM" as well, but nobody does that.


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saxy  5m ago

I haven't seen the video but I ceetainly think this car can do that time. See Koenigsegg that's how it's done. So much BS about"we don't have any spare cars" or "Koenigsegg is a small company". Yet he can't keep his mouth shut constantly saying his cars are faster than all the others.


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BR2+  5m ago

Shites gettin real

My only problem is, Is it a "Real" offering from McLaren?..

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