Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 specs

If money was no issue and I only wanted a Camaro, this would be my first pick

EVO - the thrill of driving magazine says 175mph in their "the knowledge" section.

Please correct the top speed! 301 km/h is just an estimation by automobile catalog. The Autobild Sportscar test writes 275 km/h. https://www.germancarforum.com/attachments/e01805defac0ed84e223179c471e53c7-jpg.306576/

2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350R vs. 2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 - Head 2 Head Ep. 71

As a reminder.

Cheers and enjoy ;)

Camaro Z/28 improved its lap time at Willow Springs International Raceway's "Big Track" from 1:29.72 to 1:28.40 (1.32 seconds) thanks almost entirely to a composite flap literally screwed to the back of the rear spoiler.
2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 Track Retest - Motor Trend
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1504_2015_chevrolet_camaro_z28_track_retest/

That was a first gen of the car and by a different driver. Same driver, the Nismo version was 2.5s faster?

Wow this car even blew away the Gtr at Willow, go figure.

0-50 kph: 2.1 s
0-100 kph: 4.4 s
0-130 kph: 6.5 s
0-160 kph: 8.8 s
0-200 kph: 13.5 s

AutoBild Sportscars 10/2014 - http://www.germancarforum.com/attachments/e01805defac0ed84e223179c471e53c7-jpg.306576/

Well...He did come back after a month.

Should i get him a meal?...

@saxy

he explained in detail that a drivers car has to be balanced and challenging at the same time while still connecting the driver to the chassis and give good feedback

NOT that it had to be bad to drive, just rewarding

lol, coolshirt, the most ridiculous person who tries to win arguments by name calling.

when someone points out your inability to argue your own point, you call it "twisting" your words. Write them correctly and there won't be any other interpretation.

You wrote something borderline stupid, and I point it out. Don't, and I won't.

@BR2
Osmium is a Platimum-like metal that's generally recognized as the densest known naturally occurring element. The only things denser are some man-made metal alloys, and apparently the bone that makes up saxy's skull.

Ohh Snididap! Shite just got a real like an egg sandwich!!

Wtf is Osmium?...

LOL, saxy, you've pointed out nothing but your own idiocy and inability to construct a legitimate point without twisting words. There are no holes in my argument, at all. The only holes are the ones YOU dream up with your ass-backward "logic" and laughable reasoning.

Has anyone, anyone at all, said anything about poorly setup cars, except for you? No. All those cars I mentioned before? They're all known as cars that are a challenge to drive hard, yet they've all be virtually universally praised as great machines that are a joy to drive as well. There's this thing called a "learning curve"; those cars have it, and so do cars like the Z/28. The GT-R, 911, etc? Not so much, but they're still phenomenal cars and fast as all hell. It's just my OPINION that they aren't true Driver's Cars. You can't seem to get it through that osmium-like cranium of yours that there's a difference between "challenging" and "dangerous", "difficult" and "impossible".

Pagani? Their Huayra is regarded as a car that behaves itself very well, when the T/C is on. Switch it off, and it becomes a handful real fast. A car that requires concentration and skill to drive fast. A REAL Driver's Car. Don't believe me? Then believe Chris Harris: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIcGHY_Al_I

I know I said I was done, but seeing you all smug like that just made me want to smack you off your high-horse. Please, come back with another lame "point", so I can mock you and tear it apart again. I'm having fun now!

LOl coolshirt, I simply pointed holes in your argument, and if you can't deal with that, don't argue.

The whole idea of "difficult car to drive" = good drivers car doesn't work. Cuz obviously the F-type R would be that. And yes, you'd have to work REALLY hard to drive it.

My argument was always a well set-up car that gives great feedback to the driver and you can completely drive at the limit IS a good drivers car because that means you're involved and that you can really fly past other similar but less well-sorted cars. And guess what? the Z/28 is quite really that!! (oh gosh)

Pagani goes out to do 1 million KM of test driving to make sure their car is well ballanced and sorted out. Another manufacturer may do nothing and create a dangerous car that's not fast nor does it have a sorted chassis. So BR2 Coolshirt, you rather manufacturers save money and do nothing to refine and sort their cars properly?

A challenging car that's difficult to drive MAKES you drive the car?...I d say that makes it quite a drivers car no?

@saxy
I have to write "all that blabber", because nothing else seems to get through your thick skull. If I'm not incredibly specific and detailed, it leaves you room to twist my words and add your own special brand of nonsense, which you did anyway with your "vandalizing safety systems" bullshite. Just like your previous crap about putting on crappy tires and bad brakes.

Once again, you've latched onto a single thing I've said and ignored everything else. As expected from you. That's what you argued? Then you were arguing against nothing, because I never said I wanted a car that caused mistakes in the first place. It was your failure at reading, or your need to start shite, that caused you to think I said something that I didn't.

Hell, I started this off by pointing out how the definition of "Driver's Car" has changed over the years, then gave my OPINION as to what a Driver's Car is to me. You took issue with that and went after me, doing nothing but parroting what I already said, with your own short-bus leaps of logic thrown in to twist it around into irrelevant crap. Is this how you get your jollies? I swear, you're more annoying than some of the trolls around here sometimes. I'm officially done with this, you may have the last word if you want it, which I know you do.

lol all that blabber. you don't want a car that CAUSES mistakes which is exactly what I argued the whole time. It's you that u failed to defrentiate the difference till now. It is ridiculous to say a good drivers car is just a car that is difficult to drive which I can do to any car by vandalizing the safety systems.
It's all about leaving the computers out of it and still being very drivable and competitively fast, and involving. Simple nothing to do with being "challenging" or needs respect. Any fast car will need to be respected. Says nothing about the car

@Lafars

What does my personal car have to do with what i think a "Drivers Car" should be?..

I dont buy a car for maximum involvement, If that was the case id buy an Atom 3. I bought it because i love the R3x series, plain and simple. Fun is always nice to have in a car, But i wouldnt buy a car strickly for that reason. And yes, Im for clutching of any type, Double, Single, Triple, Quadruple whatever, Using clutch pedal is nice.

@saxy
However, that's only if you're trying to throw down a good lap. If you're just looking to hoon around, it's phenomenal. From what I saw, while you can't prevent the slides from happening, you can still control them while they're happening. Also, you obviously don't get my opinion, benchracer, so don't put words in my mouth.

So, because I said I want a car to expose MY mistakes, you take that as me wanting a car that will CAUSE me to make mistakes. No. Logic fail. Reading comprehension fail. Common sense fail. A ZR1 will expose your mistakes in a second, but does it have bad brakes/suspension/setup? Uh, no. The GT2RS was given the nickname "Widowmaker" by Porsche themselves, but was it a "bad" car? Nope. Early generation Vipers were notorious for having a bite just as bad as their namesake, but were they "awful"? Yes, actually.

I've driven a G1 and a couple G2s, and they're terrible in all honesty. There's a difference between exposing a mistake, and punishing you for it. Old Vipers punished mistakes; do something wrong and you'll suddenly find yourself backwards in the grass, if you're lucky. If you're not, you'll be a red smear on a tree. I've driven a G4 Viper and it's so much better. Less Fer-de-Lance, more Western Diamondback; it'll still bite you, but you'll at least get a warning first.

Get it now? I'm talking about cars that have all the tools needed to be incredible, but need someone who knows what they're doing behind the wheel.

@saxy
Every time with you. Every time I talk to you, I have to explain the tiniest little details of things that anyone with a lick of common sense would understand right away. But you just go out of your way to cherrypick my posts and focus on one little thing, blow it way out of proportion, while glossing over everything else.

Why did I bring them up? Why don't you go back and read my other posts. I'm not explaining this to you again.

Playstation? I do have a PS3, but guess what else I also have? A C6 Z06 built by Katech. You know what else I also have? Thousands of hours of track time under my belt, an not just in my own car. Plus more than a little experience on winding back roads and canyons. So don't talk down to me, benchracer.

Exposing mistakes doesn't mean fishtailing into a guard rail, pal. It's taking a corner too aggressively and having the tail step out when you didn't want it to. A bit of drama, some opposite lock, and you're back in business. That's the car telling you something. Brake sooner, don't turn in as hard, try again. Randy took the Corkscrew too hot in the Z/28, and it exposed his mistake by going sideways, but he still pulled it out. THAT is what I'm talking about. I've told you before, there's a difference between "challenging" and "impossible". The F-Type R is leaning more towards the latter, because it's poorly set up. It's going to oversteer no matter what you do, unless you granny drive, which defeats the purpose of driving it hard.

@BR2

agree

BUT why do you drive a car with synhro-rings in the gearbox, they take away some of the involvement seeing how they synchronise the gears for you

i just turned your argument against you and i haihly doubt you support double-clutching when changing gears in this day and age

Umm why did u bring those cars up? Did they all win the "drivers car award"? A 458 is such an easy car to drive despite the many electronics, so not sure how you are trying to argue this.

Dude that's too much dribble and bull crap. You want a car to expose your mistakes and watching your mistakes is fun? You're typing on your computer and playing playstation too much dude. In the real world for a car that has fat tires and lots of hp a mistake is exposed by deaths in a family. It may be fun on the playstation but not in real life.

exposing mistakes have many reasons. Bad driver, bad car, bad suspension, bad set-up. I mean in your opinion, the F-type R that skidded around like a maniac would be "the best drivers car" this year.

One of the easiest ways to make a car difficult to drive and to cause you to have a lot of mistakes is zero steering feel. A car with NO steering feel will definitely keep you on your toes and make you worry every time you go fast on a track (that is if you do). So is that a good thing to you?

IMO, The single most critical thing one needs, In order to be a "Real Drivers Car"...Is

Maximum INVOLVEMENT....period!.

The main focus is YOU DRIVING the car, Not the other way round, Everything else is is a secondary concern to me, If YOU cant be involved in driving your car, How can one call it a "Drivers Car"?...

@saxy
So now the Carrera GT, GT2RS, Viper, Z06, ZR1, Exige, LFA, F40, etc, are "bad cars"?

A real driver WANTS to push the car they're in, no matter what it is. The challenge is part of the fun. Hell, for people like me, it IS the fun. If there's no challenge, there's no point. That's not to say I'd want a car that's like that all the time, but when I'm going for it, want the car to expose my mistakes, so I can learn from them and make myself a better driver.

I'm not taking anything away from today's cars. They are superior in every meadurable way, and that can't be denied. It's never been a better time to be an enthusiast, nearly every manufacturer around the world is bringing something awesome to the table year after year, and there's something new to drool over every other week. But the basic definition of a "Driver's Car", as in what it was when the term was first created, is a car that requires a driver to appreciate it and master it. And "driver" doesn't mean whatever yuppy happens to be behind the wheel. It means someone who has some actual talent and can drive performance machines the way they were meant to be driven.

That used to be obvious, but now the waters are muddied, IMO, by manufacturers catering to people with more money and ego than sense and skill. They can't make cars like that anymore, because the mouth breathers would be dying in droves, and sometimes not alone. And also because they wouldn't turn a profit.

Same point I'm going to rephrase. A drivers car is not a bad car. Anyone can make a dangerous car. It's difficult to make a Great car. So I couldn't care less of what yesteryear was, it's only right to recommend cars you WANT to push and are good. Rather than cars you never dare to push and are a danger to everyone

@Lafars: I agree, I think the best car for you is the one that you can connect with. When you get behind the wheel, you become a part of it, it becomes a part of you, an extension of your own body. You know what your car can do, and it knows what you want. I think that's one reason people get attached to their cars like they did to their horses in the 19th century.

@coolshirtguy

partially agree but i think you misunderstood my quote, in which case re-read hammonds quote

also one contradiction made to your statement is the fact that the LFA was nowhere near the top 3 when it entered despite randy saying it was like flying a plane that's out of control, thereby forcing you to stay sharp
(see tiff needells review)

taking it to the logical extreme here:
in a formula 1 car you can feel every vibration from the road, engine, gearbox and steering so that you know everything that's going on (if your not shocked by the assault of power), and due to the placement of the center of gravity you feel like you're a part of the car

that's a drivers car

@saxy, lafars
According to Motor Trend in the past, that's exactly what it was about. They outright said it about the Audi R8, 458 Italia, GT-R and the 911 Carrera S/4S. They coddle you and cover your mistakes, making you look like a hero around the track even if you're a novice.

Also, the only place you want your car to feel like a racer is on the track. On the road, or just at lower speeds, all that "predictability" goes right out the window and they become ultra twitchy hazards to everything else on the road. They're horrible. That's why the STI was rated down, not because it felt like a race car, but because it felt like one EVERYWHERE. Too stiff, too twitchy, too aggressive when it doesn't need to be.

But now MT is changing their tune. The Z/28 was the only car that Randy nearly spun out in(or at least the only one they showed), yet it still won. It's predictable to a certain point, but when you make a mistake, it'll let you know, just like the driver's cars of yesteryear. It's a car that takes talent to drive fast.