Ferrari 430 Scuderia vs Chevrolet Corvette ZR1

Not only is the Corvette faster, but it does it at a fraction of the cost and without an automatic

Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 won as I Expected.

No Suprise,The ZR1 Destroys The Scuderia

I'm impressed, but not surprised, the Corvette ZR1 is extremely fast.

I wouldn't say it's a manufacturer claim. I would rather say that it is a tested conducted by a professional team, with a professional driver, that made thousands of laps just in order to score the best time, while in the other hand the Ferrari were tested by a journalist.

But overall I think that these two cars should have similar track times.

ZR1 7:19.63 on Nordschleife is factory claim (and from 2011). Best independent test gave 7:38.
Then the most relevant direct comparison by pro Soheil Ayari at Spa is missing here:
2:40.0 430 Scuderia,
2:41.7 ZR1.
Taking this into account the 430 Scuderia is 0.9% faster in average.

ZR1 SMOKES 430 SCUDERIA!!!!

SMOKES!!!

Hockenheim and VIR were done by independents. Not necessarily on the same day, but still somewhat telling of what each car is capable of.

Nope, he's only being logical, there's people here that lump manufactuer laptimes against independet, laptimes on wet against dry , laptimes on horrible conditions and so on, then came to the conclusion that a car is faster than another all the time.

Anyway, the truth is, on the only head to head test of the 2, driven by a Pro who drives Corvettes on LMS, the Scuderia won by over a second, of course that won't apply to all tracks, the Scuderia is a beast on swepers and high speed turns, something Spa has and that played to the advantage of the Ferrari.

@F355: are you payed by Ferrari as office advocate?

"Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 is noticeably faster."

Obvious is obvious.

Performance in the wet is probably nothing more than tires. If I am going to be racing in wet.. I\'ll have some rain tires.

Higer numbers across the board except in the wet. No matter what kind of mathematical trickery you try or saying the weight/power is going to effect tires.. the ZR1 is still faster.

The front tires on the zr1 are wider than the rear tires on the scud.. thus might last longer. Not to mention drivers eat up tires differently, ect, ect. Your arguments to try to make these two cars sound like even performers.. are just grasping at straws.

@monkeypop

I agree with everything you say (performance for money, Delphi parts, etc),
except for the conclusion about dry track performance and the significance of performance in the wet.

Take all dry laps we know, i.e. tested Nordschleife times (7:39 vs 7:38) plus Spa (2:40.0 vs 2:41.7) plus Hockenheim and Virginia as listed.

Mathematical result on dry track:
ZR1 wins by 0.42% overall (0.25 s /minute).
430 wins the only direct comparison by 1.1% (both cars tested on the same day by a high-profile driver).

Over many laps the heavier and more powerful ZR1 will probably suffer from more tyre degradation.

And then the performance on wet track...

@F355

You are just pulling teeth here. The data shows the ZR1 is faster.. not many people (apart from ferrari fans) would say its too close to call.

As for a wet track.. who cares?

Seriously, for less than half the price the ZR1 pulls better numbers than the F430. That in itself deserves respect.

It might shock ferrari fans to find out how many Delphi/GM parts are used in ferrari\'s line up. From active handling systems to the dashboard controls. Of course GM has borrowed some brakes from Italy.

Can\'t we all just get along? It shouldnt be a shocker that a huge company like GM can produce a faster car for less money

These lap times are just the most accurate data available for that comparison (apart from the behaviour of truck anti-lock brakes on a dirt ridge, of course).

On the four dry tracks tested the times of 430 Scuderia and ZR1 over one lap were very similar:
ZR1 faster by 0.4% in average,
430 faster in the direct comparison (on the same day).

A multiple lap race will typically favor the lighter and less powerful car (the 430 by 150kg and 140hp) due to slower tyre degradation.

Too close to call a favorite on dry track, while on wet track the 430 dominates by 6%.

@F355

Spamming the same comment multiple times does not make it any more accurate.

On a dry track over a long multiple lap race the ZR1 will end up lapping the 430. How do you like them apples?

430 Scuderia vs Corvette ZR1

Faster car on track:
ZR1 by 0.2% on Nordschleife
ZR1 by 0.9% on Hockenheim Short
ZR1 by 1.6% on Virginia International Raceway
430 by 1.1% at Spa (most representative: direct comparison on the same day)
430 by 6.3% in SportAuto wet handling test

VERDICT:
430 Scuderia and ZR1 equally fast on dry track.
430 Scuderia much faster than ZR1 on wet track.

Apathy you are the man! Pulled the fuse on my truck and bye bye ABS! It even killed the electrnoic limited slip thats tied in with ABS which is something else that annoyed me.

I must now apologize for the LS7 forced induction debate lol.

Going to give it a shot on my car when I get some time to see if I can juice some extra out of my rotors/pads. BTW, Meyle rotors are cheap and awesome. They are German made and have a coating called \"Geomet\" that does not rust or fade, had mine a year now and they are still brilliant silver.

It depends. I've gone in through HP tuners with GM vehicles, but with others, I just pull the fuse or disable through some other tuner or stand alone device. You can also sometimes just remove the control module. It all depends on what is the safest for each car, whatever doesn't compromise other aspects. Sometimes pulling the fuse or the module results in manual brakes - not fun.

\"You\'d be surprised how much is left in braking force when ABS cuts in early before the wheels are actually going to lock.\"

Exactly! Not cool to spend a big chunk of money on good rotors and pads only to have the anti-lock rob you of any additional performance. How exactly are you cutting out the ABS? Just pulling the fuse/relay or is it more complicated?